Council and Sky Blues in court tomorrow (23 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

They do liquidate because a company is losing several million pounds each year though. And after all, you keep telling us that there are no serious buyers out there.

 

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[The Gentleman]

Possible, win win? The jury is out.

I think the burning question on everyone's lips at the moment is have you started on the JD? I suppose we will find out in a couple of hours

 

[Grendel]

They do liquidate because a company is losing several million pounds each year though. And after all, you keep telling us that there are no serious buyers out there.

None that would rent from the council that's for sure.

 

[wingy]

When would the deadline be for SISU to pull out of the JR ? Is it too late for that?

Not suggesting they would, I just wondered...

Around the time they realise SP will walk + the time for correspondence to bounce between the two parties .

 

[martcov]

And how does the stance of "don't let sisu get the Ricoh for cheap" help the club?

It doesn't. The council is subject to public scrutiny and they are accountable to the voters who are not exclusively CCFC fans ( or rather CCFC is not the highest voter priority ). As a fan, I want the club to survive as a priority, but there are the interests of 315000 people to consider.

 

[skybluetony176]

None that would rent from the council that's for sure.

Grendulls "fact" of the day, people.

 

[stupot07]

But in both those cases sisu didn't batter anyone in court.

Sisu have now been beaten by both ACL and CCC in court, and failed to beat the Higgs.

Didn't ACL lose?


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[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Didn't ACL lose?


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Not my boys

 

[shmmeee]

Didn't ACL lose?


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You mean with the admin process? I didn't think ACL had been in court yet, though frankly I'm losing track of court cases, we have more of those than matches these days.

 

[Astute]

No one liquidates through spite - absurd

Also this bit about not owning the Ricoh - id ask OSB if that is commercially sensible if I were you.

And as usual you only read what you want to or what goes best with some kind of point you are trying to put together. So now I said that they will liquidate our club I suppose.

Liquidation is still a possibility though. They have threatened to liquidate our club for over two years. So if no bidder comes forward for our club that is willing to pay as much as liquidating our club and they don't want to rent the Ricoh, build a stadium and don't want to keep loaning our club money what do you say they would do? Like I said I don't think it will happen, but with seeing the way they do things it wouldn't be a shock.

 

[Spionkop]

Sick Boy, on the contrary, because of Sisu we DON'T have the kind of club we deserve.

 

[shmmeee]

I don't think they would liquidate, there'll always be a buyer, but I expect them to threaten it again if things aren't going their way. It's the last card in their hand.

Of course, the real question is: what do we as fans do if they do sell? Do we accept anyone again? Do we ask some serious questions of them (if that's still possible with Sisu's systematic destruction of any fan representation)?

Personally, I'm not convinced Byng would be any better if it is him. But I worry that most will be do focussed on getting rid of Sisu we won't care what's next.

I know I'm in a minority here, but there are some options worse than liquidation IMO and dragging out the death of the club a few more years is one of them.

 

[chiefdave]

You mean with the admin process? I didn't think ACL had been in court yet, though frankly I'm losing track of court cases, we have more of those than matches these days.

ACL have taken SISU to court twice over rent arrears and won on both occasions.

 

[dongonzalos]

Hope this does not become their excuse for an appeal after the main event, so we can move on.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Feel free to correct me if i am wrong, but aren't CCC charging ACL more interest than than they are paying ?

Careful horse - you'll have some on here screaming the council are ripping their own off now!

 

[dongonzalos]

Sick Boy, on the contrary, because of Sisu we DON'T have the kind of club we deserve.

It would have to take some really appalling owners for fans to hope they lose court cases against the Council.
To be fair though most people see the difference between a custodian of your club (who it seems does not care)and the club itself.

 

[RegTheDonk]

No one at all would be celebrating if CCFC went . After your secret meeting with Labovich , do you think they will play their last spiteful card if the JR doesn't go their way and liquidate CCFC along with all their debts OR put it up for sale and try to at least get something back...

Think he missed this one.

 

[shmmeee]

ACL have taken SISU to court twice over rent arrears and won on both occasions.

Was that the orders just before admin? I'd forgotten about those. I thought he meant the actual admin process, which I'm not sure anyone "won".

 

[John_Silletts_Nose]

I think the point is that the case is about the procedures undertaken by CCC regarding the loan to ACL.

So not really to do with CCFC as such. Any contact was between SISU and CCC so SISU would already have title to their side of the documents.

The costs. These must be mounting up. 8 barristers and lawyers for the Higgs case 5 for this today, time and cost of putting a 110 page statement together with 2500 supporting documents, a detailed experts report on the ACL loan deal........ and we haven't got to the main event yet.

I know things are never clear cut in putting things to a court but their counter claim dismissed as no basis in law, a lengthy & costly statement dismissed, an experts report stated as not relevant ............. does make you wonder as to what they are doing and the advice they are getting

It wasn't really a case of winners or losers as such today ....... it was a process to go through that is quite normal usually.....but it does come across as a miscalculation by SISU though

ps Simon could have put SISU QC on twitter stupot would have been more accurate

I would be interested to understand the total costs involved for all the areas you outlined and include the costs involved in the rent dispute, administration of CCFC and CCFC H, etc.

I expect these costs to be significant and the club could have simply purchased half of ACL for £6.5 million. This choice would have led to no points deductions, no transfer embargos, no loss of fans, higher income and maybe even a promotion to a higher league!

 

[shmmeee]

I would be interested to understand the total costs involved for all the areas you outlined and include the costs involved in the rent dispute, administration of CCFC and CCFC H, etc.

I expect these costs to be significant and the club could have simply purchased half of ACL for £6.5 million. This choice would have led to no points deductions, no transfer embargos, no loss of fans, higher income and maybe even a promotion to a higher league!

They're backed into a corner now. It reminds me of the teenagers I work with, keep pushing and they fight harder and harder not to lose face. Give them some time on their own, out of the spotlight and they usually see the error of their ways and calm down.

 

[John_Silletts_Nose]

They're backed into a corner now. It reminds me of the teenagers I work with, keep pushing and they fight harder and harder not to lose face. Give them some time on their own, out of the spotlight and they usually see the error of their ways and calm down.

Or you could speak to their parents, in this case the investors.

 

[stupot07]

You mean with the admin process? I didn't think ACL had been in court yet, though frankly I'm losing track of court cases, we have more of those than matches these days.

Misread it, though he's said Higgs.

Re: Admin process, no one won that one


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[shmmeee]

Or you could speak to their parents, in this case the investors.

To carry on the analogy, in many cases speaking to the parents will only confirm your suspicions of where the behaviour comes from.

 

[shmmeee]

Misread it, though he's said Higgs.

Re: Admin process, no one won that one


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Agreed on the admin thing.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Misread it, though he's said Higgs.

Re: Admin process, no one won that one


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Re the admin process: Paul Appletons bank account says differently.

 

[dongonzalos]

I would be interested to understand the total costs involved for all the areas you outlined and include the costs involved in the rent dispute, administration of CCFC and CCFC H, etc.

I expect these costs to be significant and the club could have simply purchased half of ACL for £6.5 million. This choice would have led to no points deductions, no transfer embargos, no loss of fans, higher income and maybe even a promotion to a higher league!

Am I imagining it or was it not 4.5 million?

 

[dongonzalos]

So JS wrote a 100 page statement.....

 

[sw88]

So JS wrote a 100 page statement.....

So that's what she's been doing since 2007........

And escaped the photographers. How does she do it?

 

[Hobo]

And how does the stance of "don't let sisu get the Ricoh for cheap" help the club?

Because on five years form if SISU did get the Ricoh on the cheap there is no evidence it would benefit the club anyway. That is the point! People do not trust SISU because of the way they, no one else has handled things.

 

[John_Silletts_Nose]

Am I imagining it or was it not 4.5 million?

You are correct it was not £4.5 million.

 

[shmmeee]

You are correct it was not £4.5 million.

Are we talking about the "formula" price, or the deal Sisu walked away from?

 

[dongonzalos]

Are we talking about the "formula" price, or the deal Sisu walked away from?

The one SISU walked away from I thought that was 4 million?

 

[dongonzalos]

Because on five years form if SISU did get the Ricoh on the cheap there is no evidence it would benefit the club anyway. That is the point! People do not trust SISU because of the way they, no one else has handled things.

So far I do not feel that they have made decisions in the best interests of the club.
We need owners who realise success on the pitch is the answer...

 

[sw88]

I think the point is that the case is about the procedures undertaken by CCC regarding the loan to ACL.

So not really to do with CCFC as such. Any contact was between SISU and CCC so SISU would already have title to their side of the documents.

The costs. These must be mounting up. 8 barristers and lawyers for the Higgs case 5 for this today, time and cost of putting a 110 page statement together with 2500 supporting documents, a detailed experts report on the ACL loan deal........ and we haven't got to the main event yet.

I know things are never clear cut in putting things to a court but their counter claim dismissed as no basis in law, a lengthy & costly statement dismissed, an experts report stated as not relevant ............. does make you wonder as to what they are doing and the advice they are getting

It wasn't really a case of winners or losers as such today ....... it was a process to go through that is quite normal usually.....but it does come across as a miscalculation by SISU though

ps Simon could have put SISU QC on twitter stupot would have been more accurate

I think today was a waste of the judges time!

For SISU to turn up and want to add more and more evidence is laughable. Glad the judge seen sense to dismiss most of their requests

 

[dongonzalos]

So that's what she's been doing since 2007........

And escaped the photographers. How does she do it?

What does her doing this at the last minute suggest?