Open letter from Joy and Tim (20 Viewers)

[Samo]

But then acl called in other monies so if it turns out it is un related then the full amount will be paid surely? If it is related then why would they be paid twice? Is then down to the others to chase sisu for what they paid.

Don't think we need to worry too much as there will be no points deduction if the fl are happy it's been paid?

Some people are obsessing a bit aren't they?

Some people love obsessing... If Joy took a piss it'd be the wrong colour!

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

Works both ways.

Why the fuck should CCC let SISU have what they want when they are still using litigation against them?

If it wasn't our football club being held to ransom I would want CCC to tell SISU to go get fucked and build themselves a new stadium.

Which is exactly what the open letter says.

They don't want revenues from a temporary deal, they want a temporary deal until they build a new stadium where they can get revenues.

So why put non-eistent obstacles in the way? Hasn't everyone banged on endlessly they should talk to each other? Well, as of now, we have Seppala, Fisher, and Lucas all prepared to talk.

But not ACL.

 

[Astute]

Which is exactly what the open letter says.

They don't want revenues from a temporary deal, they want a temporary deal until they build a new stadium where they can get revenues.

So why put non-eistent obstacles in the way? Hasn't everyone banged on endlessly they should talk to each other? Well, as of now, we have Seppala, Fisher, and Lucas all prepared to talk.

But not ACL.

Non existent obstacles?

So constant litigation is just a non existent obstacle now. I suppose you would see it the same if you was the one on the receiving end of it.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

TBF who gives a fuck just pay the money stop pissing about and get back to the Ricoh.

I don't really give a fuck how much it is. I'm sure if ACL said they would take less Sisu would still not be happy and would string it out longer.

When I ran my own Business back in the late Eighties if I quoted for a job and did it then I expected to be paid the full amount not a proportion. The bigger companies never liked paying on time, and would string it out this put many small companies like my own in financial difficulties.

Sounds familiar doesn't it :thinking about:

 

[Astute]

Some people love obsessing... If Joy took a piss it'd be the wrong colour!

Just like you were insinuating that I am racist a few days ago. You said that you could tell because of the way I post.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Non existent obstacles?

So constant litigation is just a non existent obstacle now. I suppose you would see it the same if you was the one on the receiving end of it.

I'd suggest the b4est way to eliminate litigation is to talk to people.

Not talking is the surefire way to ensure it continues.

Non-existent.

I can't believe what I read here, it's like people are determined to find excuses for parties not to talk. The council leader is happy to talk... so why not back her in that aim?

 

[Samo]

Just like you were insinuating that I am racist a few days ago. You said that you could tell because of the way I post.

I don't think I said that now did I? We cud discuss it but Nick will close the thread. However, if I did go a little far on that occassion Astute, I apologise.

 

[Grendel]

The FL has already stated how much ACL should get. The amount they set may have been derived from the administrator but it was a separate agreement.
SISU are trying to muddy the waters by dragging in other monies that are not relevant. The administration process can only take into account funds that are within the control of the administrator and ACL are entitled to obtain payment of their debt by other means if they can. The guarantor money for example.
Will the FL have the nerve to insist that SISU honour the agreement that they made in order to secure the Golden Share? I'm hoping that the delay is merely because officials have received a complaint from SISU and want to pass the buck up the chain of command.

So are you saying the money mcginnity and Robinson gave ACL had nothing to with rent?

Bizarre post.

 

[Grendel]

I don't think I said that now did I? We cud discuss it but Nick will close the thread. However, if I did go a little far on that occassion Astute, I apologise.

Don't worry - you didn't.

 

[Astute]

I'd suggest the b4est way to eliminate litigation is to talk to people.

Not talking is the surefire way to ensure it continues.

Non-existent.

I can't believe what I read here, it's like people are determined to find excuses for parties not to talk. The council leader is happy to talk... so why not back her in that aim?

They have said that they will talk if the 590k is paid and the litigation stops. What is wrong with what I said with the litigation stopping and an agreement that any overpayment is returned? Or are you either looking for an excuse on behalf of SISU or getting ready to blame CCC if SUSU don't bring our club home?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

They have said that they will talk if the 590k is paid and the litigation stops. What is wrong with what I said with the litigation stopping and an agreement that any overpayment is returned? Or are you either looking for an excuse on behalf of SISU or getting ready to blame CCC if SUSU don't bring our club home?

Nope, I'm wondering why after an eternity of wanting sides to talk, now they don't.

Now given I said Lucas was happy to talk and wondered if you were going to back that, I find it slightly confusing you appear to think I'm preparing to blame CCC...

 

[Astute]

I don't think I said that now did I? We cud discuss it but Nick will close the thread. However, if I did go a little far on that occassion Astute, I apologise.

No problem. My eldest daughter who is half Indian would disagree

Get a bit touchy over things like that as had problems over the years.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

But like Fisher the council leader has no say in this?

Or should I say cannot make the decisions.

I'd suggest the b4est way to eliminate litigation is to talk to people.

Not talking is the surefire way to ensure it continues.

Non-existent.

I can't believe what I read here, it's like people are determined to find excuses for parties not to talk. The council leader is happy to talk... so why not back her in that aim?

 

[Astute]

So are you saying the money mcginnity and Robinson gave ACL had nothing to with rent?

Bizarre post.

Are you saying that the agreement with the FL and SISU was only about the rent?

Bizarre poster.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

But like Fisher the council leader has no say in this?

Or should I say cannot make the decisions.

So as mentioned later, it won't be her fault if talks don't happen, will it.

It'll be one company playing out a business decision v another company playing out a business decision.

Now when we met Mr. Labovitch he was keen to bang on about how he was all for a temporary deal at the Ricoh, and it was others who refused to talk about that. How we laughed.

And now's the chance to prove him wrong.

Don't we want to prove him wrong and laugh at him some more? Don't we want to demonstrate that when he said that it wasn't true, and this could have been solved earlier over a pint of Tribute down Whitefriars?

 

[Astute]

Nope, I'm wondering why after an eternity of wanting sides to talk, now they don't.

Now given I said Lucas was happy to talk and wondered if you were going to back that, I find it slightly confusing you appear to think I'm preparing to blame CCC...

Some seem to think that everything has changed now that SISU made that statement. But nothing has changed yet. A statement that was unusual for SISU, but also made a day before a march. And we all know that some will try and blame CCC if our club don't come home.

 

[lapsed_skyblue]

So are you saying the money mcginnity and Robinson gave ACL had nothing to with rent?

Bizarre post.

If indeed it was to do with rent I believe that confirms that it is irrelevant to SISU 's debt. The receiver stating the proportion of the debt that he is able to pay does not reduce the debt to that level. If ACL pursue a guarantor for all or part of the outstanding debt that is their concern as the guarantor contracts with them not the creditor or the receiver. The point in having a guarantor is to recover debt that the original creditor cannot pay.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

No he was proved wrong.

He had not been in touch with them.

Only last week TF told us he was talking to ACL we now know this was bull trying to back track after been caught out.

So sorry for being sceptical but we have been given too many false promises that I cannot believe anything until it happens.

So as mentioned later, it won't be her fault if talks don't happen, will it.

It'll be one company playing out a business decision v another company playing out a business decision.

Now when we met Mr. Labovitch he was keen to bang on about how he was all for a temporary deal at the Ricoh, and it was others who refused to talk about that. How we laughed.

And now's the chance to prove him wrong.

Don't we want to prove him wrong and laugh at him some more? Don't we want to demonstrate that when he said that it wasn't true, and this could have been solved earlier over a pint of Tribute down Whitefriars?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Some seem to think that everything has changed now that SISU made that statement. But nothing has changed yet. A statement that was unusual for SISU, but also made a day before a march. And we all know that some will try and blame CCC if our club don't come home.

So are you going to back Anne Lucas in her desire for talks without prejudice, on anything if the club want to talk about it?

 

[Astute]

So as mentioned later, it won't be her fault if talks don't happen, will it.

It'll be one company playing out a business decision v another company playing out a business decision.

Now when we met Mr. Labovitch he was keen to bang on about how he was all for a temporary deal at the Ricoh, and it was others who refused to talk about that. How we laughed.

And now's the chance to prove him wrong.

Don't we want to prove him wrong and laugh at him some more? Don't we want to demonstrate that when he said that it wasn't true, and this could have been solved earlier over a pint of Tribute down Whitefriars?

So are you saying that CCC should come to an agreement with SISU when there is still litigation ongoing against them?

Certainly a good reason not to have trust in them. Just like everything else that they have done.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So sorry for being sceptical but we have been given too many false promises that I cannot believe anything until it happens.

Absolutely nothing wrong with being sceptical and not believing it until you see it.

Totally different that however, to trying to put obstacles in front of talks.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

And should sisu not pay the full amount so that the guarantors can be paid back after all it is there debt.

If indeed it was to do with rent I believe that confirms that it is irrelevant to SISU 's debt. The receiver stating the proportion of the debt that he is able to pay does not reduce the debt to that level. If ACL pursue a guarantor for all or part of the outstanding debt that is their concern as the guarantor contracts with them not the creditor or the receiver. The point in having a guarantor is to recover debt that the original creditor cannot pay.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Absolutely nothing wrong with being sceptical and not believing it until you see it.

Totally different that however, to trying to put obstacles in front of talks.

There are no obstacles from stopping the two sides talking.

What is to say that both sides negotiating might bring out a resolution to the outstanding issues?


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[Astute]

So are you going to back Anne Lucas in her desire for talks without prejudice, on anything if the club want to talk about it?

I will back all sides.

Don't you agree that the litigation needs to stop though?

 

[Grendel]

Are you saying that the agreement with the FL and SISU was only about the rent?

Bizarre poster.

Well, of not the ultimate conclusion is ACL would have pursued the gruesome twosome for the money if sisu were paying the rent.

Would they do you think?

 

[Kingokings204]

Litigation can stop upon a deal being agreed surely.

I.e we will agree a 3 year deal if you drop appeal.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Obstacles that should be our middle name.
ACL have put in a proviso for talks to comence so it is an obsticle.

Sisu don't want to honour those provisos so they themselves have put an obstacle in the way.

TBF we will be fucked as they both hate and blame each other..

I hope I'm wrong and they meet up in the week.

Absolutely nothing wrong with being sceptical and not believing it until you see it.

Totally different that however, to trying to put obstacles in front of talks.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Litigation can stop upon a deal being agreed surely.

I.e we will agree a 3 year deal if you drop appeal.

I said the same earlier in the thread, both sides have something they can offer to the other.


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[Astute]

So are you going to back Anne Lucas in her desire for talks without prejudice, on anything if the club want to talk about it?

I will back all sides.

Don't you agree that the litigation needs to stop though?

 

[Jack Griffin]

You have this all arse over tit.

Aren't the litigation & refusal to pay what was agreed the obstacles?

 

[Samo]

So are you saying that CCC should come to an agreement with SISU when there is still litigation ongoing against them?

Certainly a good reason not to have trust in them. Just like everything else that they have done.

Now you are being silly again, of course not. Legals should be dropped as part of the negotiations, way before any agreement is reached. I can't imagine why you say these things?

 

[Astute]

You have this all arse over tit.

Aren't the litigation & refusal to pay what was agreed the obstacles?

Exactly. But some seem to think that it isn't a problem.

The money is said to be there. One call could stop the litigation. If SISU wanted to make a deal they could sort their side out easily.

 

[Samo]

Exactly. But some seem to think that it isn't a problem.
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The money is said to be there. One call could stop the litigation. If SISU wanted to make a deal they could sort their side out easily.

They could do with you in Palestine, they obviously haven't realised how simple it all is.

 

[Astute]

Now you are being silly again, of course not. Legals should be dropped as part of the negotiations, way before any agreement is reached. I can't imagine why you say these things?

Not at all. Some seem to think that there is no reason for talks not to happen now.

 

[limoncello]

There is no reason for talks not to happen.