sky blue john
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The only problem I see is f&b because of the complications involved. But this could be offset with all of the parking revenue and pitch side advertising which should be worth far more.
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The only problem I see is f&b because of the complications involved. But this could be offset with all of the parking revenue and pitch side advertising which should be worth far more.
sky blue john
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I still don't think a civilised deal can be achieved though !
skybluenewman
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It always makes me laugh how people moan that we are playing in Northampton when they didnt even turn up to the Ricoh.
CCFC PimpRail
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Its still be cheaper than paying for a £25 million mortgage...
Rob S
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More likely that a new place would be paid for in a similar way to how the Ricoh was; get development land, sell bits to retail concerns, ker-ching.
Baginton
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Some eight year old told the us government to change font when printing documents, and it saves them £400 million
dont overlook the small things !
PUSB
chiefdave
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Not sure that's going to work in the present environment. That type of retail is nowhere near as strong as it was when the Ricoh got built, a lot of the major retailers are sitting on a large number of sites having shelved plans to build on them. The attraction of the Ricoh site was land in what would have been considered a prime position that was previously unavailable. Hard to imagine a site outside the city that would have the same attraction. That's before you even consider how many sites are available that a suitable retailer couldn't just purchase themselves if they wanted to build a store.
If it was that easy wouldn't every club be getting new grounds built for them without having to put a penny in! Down here Pompey have recently tried that trick. A plot of land on the Fratton Park site was sold to Tesco however there were planning restrictions meaning it could only be used by the football club. The original plan was for Pompey to get a new stand as part of the deal involving change of use, they actually ended up with (or at least will if the store ever gets built which is doubtful) a few spaces in Tesco car park for the club to use on matchday. That's a million miles from getting someone to fund a new stadium and that's for a site slap bang in the middle of the city.
Probably got this wrong but if sisu and acl do somehow get back round the table and start to negotiate a deal to get us back to the Ricoh won't compass have to get involved, not sure how it works with compass but would sisu have to pay off compass if they want the f&b money, I'm probably wrong but it seems compass has hardly been mentioned in any of this, can't see them just giving it away. Anybody know how things would stand if compass didn't want to sell to sisu, could that happen ?
letsallsingtogether
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Yes funny that ML used to work for AEG who are partly owned by Compass, is there more to this then meets the eye?
1966skyblue
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As I understand they are to be offered 50% of f and b
jackmartin
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Is this the same Jackmartin who said quite categorically that Sisu would win the judicial review?
yes thats me
shmmeee
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That's really really not likely. Especially without the help of a local council to clear the way.
I don't think Sisu have given a thought to financing, considering it's not going to be built. Much like the rest of the stadium, they've said whatever sounds good to someone not really paying too much attention.
shmmeee
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If they can agree that, why not a long term deal?
That gives Sisu everything they've been asking for since day 1. It's what they said they wanted in the original 42 year lease before the spat their dummy out and left.
Why would they need a new stadium if they're getting all the match day revenues? If they don't need a new stadium, why a 3 year deal?
Just stop fucking about and come back FFS
The Gentleman
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Just curious Rob, but what retail outlets do you think that it could be attached too? Considering the areas that it could potentially be, do you think that they would be classed as a prime retail locations?
Sick Boy
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Wasn't it sent to fans by email?
He's talking about the offer that is posted by Rob not about the e-mail/website statement.
Rob S
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The two stadium funding details I've heard in the last month or so are 'with joint investors' and 'co-development, like the Ricoh' (massively simplified but you get the gist). If there is to be a new stadium – and I'm not ruling it in or out but until ground is broken, there isn't one, only the possibility – it will go along the lines of
Oh, and apparently the club want all match day revenue so include ads, car parks etc.
- Buy land (most likely an option based on planning approval)
- Announce purchase but not location
- Apply for outline planning
- Lots of people go completely nuts
- Er...
Oh, and apparently the club want all match day revenue so include ads, car parks etc.
letsallsingtogether
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Yes but Morrisons are struggling have just made a lot of managers redundant, and now Tesco have fallen behind so it must be an Aldi store or maybe a pound land?
We are saturated with out of town shopping areas looks like they have jumped on the wagon late as usual?
The new one behind Morrisons, is halve empty so who would give permission for more?
We are saturated with out of town shopping areas looks like they have jumped on the wagon late as usual?
The new one behind Morrisons, is halve empty so who would give permission for more?
chiefdave
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Neither of those options seem to hold up to much scrutiny. A joint investor will want a decent shot at a return and any co-development will need SISU to have something that is more attractive than all the other plots of lands available. In both cases you're really reliant on SISU somehow adding value to a piece of land, how are they going to do that? In this market that would be incredibly difficult in a prime city centre location let alone a site that will be outside the city.
Seems to me like one of those things that sounds great when they say it but as soon as you look below the soundbites it doesn't really add up.
Rob S
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It's all a moot point until we know more about potential location & it's certainly not my job to sell any ideas of a new ground as, er, Getting Cov Back to the Ricoh is the priority for me. There's nothing wrong with being skeptical or cynical but dismissing it outright doesn't make much sense either. A north of Cov location would bring different options to a south-of one and the size will too. I think the preference is for a campus (ground, training & retail in one) but that would need a bigger plot. Other factors like accessibility come into play too.
Bottom line is, as soon as/if they announce any land deal, we'll see what happens.
Bottom line is, as soon as/if they announce any land deal, we'll see what happens.
The Gentleman
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Jesus Christ Rob, you sure you're not on the Sisu PR payroll? I think dismissing outright makes perfect sense. Every line we have been sold by Sisu on the new stadium has been bullshit so I think it goes way beyond skeptical and cynical. You give me one shred of positive movement on the new stadium, go on just one. The flip side being I can give you numerous quotes, lies and constant bullshit from Sisu about it. You talk about supermarkets but a large Tesco in very prime land in Wolverhampton has been shelved so tell me where you would need one outside a city or even further afield now. Shoppers are moving and an Aldi or Lidl attracts a lot of shoppers on foot so could you see them walking miles there and back?
Also how long would these retailers be willing to wait for the thing to be built? Using the Shrewsbury model rather than the Rotherham one because Legoland will be something no-one bar Sisu want, would these retailers be willing to wait upto 9 years after investing on the chance that Sisu might fuck off in the meantime? You won't have a couple of farmers objecting, you will have wealthy landowners, vote grabbers, bored pensioners, and a shit load of fans in opposition to name a few.
Lastly, your final line means sod all because as most people know, because buying land is buying land, nothing more and nothing less. Until we see groundworks happening then I think we can all dismiss it outright.