CCLSC conversation with TF (17 Viewers)

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

There are no signs to me SISU are desperate ..

However they do need to carry the fans with them whichever route they go ..

The only significant sign of anything extraordinary going on has been the fact that SHE has revealed /Indentified herself ,albeit limitedly.

Or holdingly
By the way Wingy lost your phone number.

 

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[skybluetony176]

Apparently it's worth £600,000 a year to rent so no.

Where did you pluck that figure from?

 

[sky blue john]

Where did you pluck that figure from?

You ought to know by now Grendel makes everything up.

 

[Grendel]

Where did you pluck that figure from?

Kingokings I believe as it's a premium stadium. Also OSB said its much better than a league one ground - well it's a helluva lot better than a teams ground in the 10th division.

 

[James Smith]

It is irrelevant - it's down to supply and demand. I repeat Swansea, Ipswich and the City Ground have less rental costs than £175,000. I think you will find they match the Ricoh for concerts and are easily impressive enough for sponsors. Without the club it seems there will be no sponsor and that revenue will be pocketed by ACL.

Aren't they all either owners or part owners of their respective stadium management companies, something that we aren't anymore? Given we have had the chance to buy back our share (which the previous board couldn't afford financially) and neither Sisu (or the Higgs)

"had any appetite to seek to pursue negotiations or seek to conclude such a deal"

for the reasons mentioned in both court cases. We have had the chance to get back on a somewhat level playing field (pun not intended) and become part owners of the stadium management company but someone screwed it up.

Should we have sold the half of ACL and the Pie Money rights in the first place, no, but we're looking at it with 20/20 hindsight which always makes things easier to spot.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If it had been any other team rather than Rangers or Celtic they wouldn't. Do you really think we would be looked at in the same way I doubt it!

Was a close run thing them staying in the setup too... as much because other clubs needed the comparitavely huge, vast revenues that games against them brought.

I'd say the equivalent woulGoven Scottish lower leagues are part time too they did effectively do what, say, Man Utd would do if dropping to the Evo Stick Northern division tomorrow.

 

[Mr T - Sukka!]

Anyone feel like all this is just pointless?

Just going round and round discussing the same shite day after day?

SBT is getting predictable and boring. So sad its come to this.

 

[shmmeee]

Anyone feel like all this is just pointless?

Just going round and round discussing the same shite day after day?

SBT is getting predictable and boring. So sad its come to this.

We're being kept in a very nice holding pattern and it's frustrating as all hell.

We are not only no further on than this time last year we're actually further away from an agreement. At least they'd talk to each other then, and each side's demands were more reasonable.

It's put up with it or start your own club though, and no-one really fancies that.

 

[duffer]

They should continue with The JR because appeal is a corner stone in the legal system. The appeal mechanism is there to protect you and me - everyone. To deprive sisu their right to appeal is simply wrong.
If they are granted right to appeal soon it could potentially benefit the club, but if they have to go to the EU commission it might just take too long. Still they have the right to do it - and they should.

Similarly, what ACL are asking for is also quite proper and within the law that protects me and you and everyone. They're asking that a case that will specifically damage their business, and which has already incurred significant costs to them (and has been lost), be dropped.

There's nothing illegal about that request. No one is depriving SISU of their legal right to appeal - all ACL are saying is that we can't do business with you whilst you're holding that over us.

And apologies, but you're making this out to be a quest for justice, when in fact it looks to most people (including a neutral arbiter of law, the Judge) that SISU's primary motive was to distress another business in order to pick it up on the cheap. So your suggestion that SISU should appeal seems based on your opinion, that they've got a case, when a judge has clearly stated that they haven't.

So forgive me, but what it seems you're saying is that SISU should have the right to appeal, but ACL should not have the right to refuse to negotiate if SISU choose to do so. Apologies if I've misunderstood, but I couldn't agree with that.

 

[Godiva]

Similarly, what ACL are asking for is also quite proper and within the law that protects me and you and everyone. They're asking that a case that will specifically damage their business, and which has already incurred significant costs to them (and has been lost), be dropped.

There's nothing illegal about that request. No one is depriving SISU of their legal right to appeal - all ACL are saying is that we can't do business with you whilst you're holding that over us.

And apologies, but you're making this out to be a quest for justice, when in fact it looks to most people (including a neutral arbiter of law, the Judge) that SISU's primary motive was to distress another business in order to pick it up on the cheap. So your suggestion that SISU should appeal seems based on your opinion, that they've got a case, when a judge has clearly stated that they haven't.

So forgive me, but what it seems you're saying is that SISU should have the right to appeal, but ACL should not have the right to refuse to negotiate if SISU choose to do so. Apologies if I've misunderstood, but I couldn't agree with that.

Already answered here:

I fully agree both have rights. ACL have the right to issue their ultimatum. Sisu have rights to appeal.
Now how do we get them to the table without taking away their rights?
It can't work. Something have to give.

So the next question - can the club play at the Ricoh while sisu pursue their appeals?

 

[skybluetony176]

@ Godiva

How many appeals do SISU have to go through untill you personally accept justice has been done and the JR judge is correct in his decision and summing up?

because this appeal business is starting to sound like a never ending story

 

[oldskyblue58]

SISU have the right to appeal certainly.

What they are doing however is making a business decision to continue or not. A number of Judges have now highlighted various flaws in the two recent cases brought by SISU controlled entities. The evidence has been examined and found not to support the case that they are making both in the JR and the Higgs case. Now if the judgements were say less damning you could see the logic in appealing if it was really about CCFC - but it isn't is it. It is not really about a principle or justice ....... this is nothing more than cold high risk business where in its very rawest form you do what ever it takes to win. Sometimes of course you actually get lost in it all and can not let go.

Ms Seppala administers hedge funds and private equity funds. Risk is her business and her chosen method to win through is via the courts. The costs are mounting but there is I fear in her mind still prospects of winning through. It isn't necessarily about the case being just it is still and always has been about who has the nerve and deepest pockets.

Seppala has to show to her investors that she will go the full distance that what matters most to her is her clients. Otherwise her credibility in their eyes is damaged. At some point in the game plan ACL, CCC, Higgs were all supposed to have fallen over by now and it would have been money well spent - it hasn't happened.

The tool is still CCFC but it is not the reason for the JR or the appeals. As for TF/JS trying to get cosy with the fans, being more transparent really? is that what is really happening do we feel more in the know somehow?

Just do not see how an appeal helps CCFC in any way shape or form ....... but then it was never intended to was it

There is a caveat to all that ....... is there now a 21 day window of opportunity during which some negotiation can be done? During that time the FL make a decision on 7th and the decision to apply for an appeal on 15th. Can there be talks in that time - there is a chance I think but ............ The time lines are getting ever tighter as options close

 

[Jack Griffin]

Maybe the judge got it wrong? It does happen, you know. His remarks were opinions, not quotes of the laws.
Let's wait until the appeals have been exhausted before we take a decision as gospel.
In the end the winner writes the history.

I think his remarks should be classed more as interpretation of the law & case history..