Grendel
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What "reasoned debate" - I have presented facts not supposition and assumption. Your statement a fee is a fee is fairly idiotic isn't it?
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What "reasoned debate" - I have presented facts not supposition and assumption. Your statement a fee is a fee is fairly idiotic isn't it?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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No. It's because our owners have just sold arguably one of the hottest prospects in the league and promised the proceeds would be reinvested in the playing squad. And they're not. People are 'moaning' as they don't think Coventry City should be playing in the third division, and don't see our player activity since selling Clarke as achieving this.
Are are you simply over the moon with where we now are?
FRY-CCFC
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We have a squad more than capable of getting us out of this league. It's a shame that our fans choose to ignore the other teams in this league or just don't know who they are because if you look, we have a strong side compared to others at this level.
As would everyone, the problem comes when you want a striker who can score you 20 a season just like everyone else, your either going to need to pay a fee, pay high wages, or get lucky with someone that other people don't want. Considering we've brought in 4 million selling our strike force which we were told would be reinvested it's not at all unreasonable for us to want to compete for the players who command a fee/higher wages rather than scrape around for the riskier options.
Of course if Pressley can find someone on cheap wages and on a free that he thinks will be just as good absolutely that is the best option. But it's very clear that the choices open to him have been massively affected by the finances and that he is going to have to try and get promoted with a player budget (wages and fees combined) much much lower than his likely competitors.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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That tirade says everything.
Let me give you reasoned facts. We struggled last season. If Baker goes, we've lost - what - 55 of the 74 goals we scored last season.
What's come in to convince you we'll replace those 50-odd goals, with which - and I repeat with which - we struggled last season?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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No we don't
FRY-CCFC
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http://www.thefootballforum.net/ind...me-its-time-its-league-table-prediction-time/
Read this. As the transfer window goes on and we sign players, people slowly predict us higher and higher some even put us in the play-offs.
Read this. As the transfer window goes on and we sign players, people slowly predict us higher and higher some even put us in the play-offs.
FRY-CCFC
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Yes we do. Another good thread to look at http://www.thefootballforum.net/index.php?/topic/226401-hows-your-starting-line-up-looking/
compare and contrast to see how piss poor some teams are.
Cheshire Sky Blue
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Wow what an articulate, intellectual observation. I bet your carer is proud of you.
Nick
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What about defenders who will allow less goals hopefully which means we don't need to score as many?
Hard to say either way until we play though and see what we let in or score.
FRY-CCFC
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Good comeback. You should be in stand up
ccfcway
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i said that where ?
i dont care if they come with a fee.
Plenty of decent frees out there, Hoskins, Keogh, Chopra etc.
Just debating your point, which was wrong.
see you arn't worth talking too, I didn't say that.
Do you have Aspurgers? - that's a serious question.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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But you don't know that, do you? You hope. We've lost perhaps the divisions best keeper. What's the net position? We don't know. I do know, statistically, when Baker goes, that we've lost scorers of 75% if last seasons goals. A season that in which, post Christmas, we were showing relegation form.
People do have every right to have a moan. Especially when the Wilson money isn't being reinvented, as promised.
FRY-CCFC
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Chopra is a walking disaster who is addicted to gambling. Keogh would be an excellent signing. Hoskins would be ok but I'd prefer tudgay
FRY-CCFC
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You don't know that shaun miller and tudgay won't go and score 30 goals each do you. Your predictions and arguments are based of nothing apart from that tiny little fucking brain of yours which has the same amount of football knowledge as a peanut.
FRY-CCFC
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My opinion on this forum since we moved to sixfields http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2HQaF_vfes
Nick
Administrator
Can you stop with the silly insults? Welcome to put your point across but no need to be billy big balls in every post.
Nick
Administrator
And you don't know otherwise do you? You don't know Wilson would have scored the same again, you don't know baker would have.
We have also got a more solid defence, so it could be said about goals conceded but of course I don't know that because it doesn't fit your angle
We just don't know about the players yet, give them a few months then we can whinge?
That's why I said we need to wait and see before whinging
ccfcway
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"IS" ?, you know that how ?. He was getting help last I read
zuni
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usually free's of quality are rare...hence fee....not just because its something to moan about.....and yes there are some good free's out there and yes we have had some....and we have also had free dross
Nick
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Ah so why are we moaning about losing moussa murphy and Clarke?
I wouldn't say rare at all.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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And you don't know otherwise do you? You don't know Wilson would have scored the same again, you don't know baker would have.
We have also got a more solid defence, so it could be said about goals conceded but of course I don't know that because it doesn't fit your angle
We just don't know about the players yet, give them a few months then we can whinge?
That's why I said we need to wait and see before whinging
My angle? Our owners have sold the hottest prospect in the division, promising the windfall would be reinvested and it hasn't been; you - as ever - play the SISU placitude card, and suggest I've got an angle? Priceless.
When will you ever cease your implicit defence of their actions, and step back and see you've constantly offered luke-warm support to a succession of actions and policies that are leading us to hell in a handcart?
torchomatic
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Ah, this has turned into another "I will slag the club off at every opportunity" thread?
Nick
Administrator
Where did I defend anything? Where have i offered any support for things they have done?
Just because I disagree with some things people say, doesn't mean I support other people does it?
From my end it is not so much a moan, more of a concern. Losing several of last seasons key players in one hit (Clarke accepted), who had performed well for us last season, and taking something of a leap of faith on players that we simply don't know well enough to base a firm judgement on, and not being able to predict the outcome.
As a fan, I hope it comes off of course, but it is a high risk strategy to say the least. Other clubs are in a similar position of course - I know many Cobblers fans who share the same concern year on year, and a coiuple of mates who have said "welcome to our club" - (and not in a literal sense of course!).
Nick
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Surely the same could be said for how many players that are paid for turn out to be great? We could sit here all day and name players both free and a fee paid that were good and bad, fact is we won't know until they have actually played a few league games so no point whinging now is there, well until if they do turn out to be good and they leave we could all have a good moan about that then couldn't we?
zuni
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Nick, I already agreed on that....however i revert to my original point....good free's are still rare
zuni
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or maybe its turned into this is the reality of where we are thread.....maybe, take of them tinted glasses perhaps?
Nick
Administrator
Just going to phone Bayern up and tell them to send Robert Lewandowski back because they should really have paid a fee for him and he is obviously shite. Same with that Pirlo fella.
There are so many variables other than just how much was paid for them whether they will perform or not. We just don't know until they have actually played a few games though will we?
You don't know they will be shit, and I don't know either. Maybe if only Andy Thorn had "scouted them" then some people might actually like them before they even kick a ball.
What you do know though is that a lot of the people saying that all the new players can't be any good because they were free will be moaning by christmas that they will never even see them player if they turn out good
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Nick. This site doesn't have new people every day you know. People use it regularly and remember your stance on a number of issues.
This is a case in point. We've sold our hottest prospect with the promise the windfall will be reinvested in the playing squad. I very much suspect it hasn't been. And won't be. Your line? Well maybe we won't leak as many goals? Maybe someone else will step up? You've neatly side-stepped our owners apparent duplicity, and are trying to silver-line a dirty big potential cloud. Just answer the point - does it look like our owners have misled us with the ambition of the Wilson sale? Has there been a considerable migration in our goal threat since January of last season?
That's why people moan. As I don't want a few more seasons in the third division, and at least if our owners did what they eluded they would with the Wilson money I'd thing we stood a chance of changing that. And I don't want to be reliant on your cheery 'maybes' to achieve that aim
