The need to respect everybody's point of view (14 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

That is a strategy utterly alien to Joy Seppala.

So we can show her how it's done, no?

 

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[Nick]

So we can show her how it's done, no?

Exactly.

 

[Nick]

That is a strategy utterly alien to Joy Seppala.

Ah the old defence of "it is ok because SISU do it" again? Rise above it, set the example.

 

[Johnnythespider]

I always liked Barry Tooks points of view best

 

[turlykerd]

Unfortunately it means not supporting SISU at the short term expense of not supporting the team.
The majority of fans have realised this yet the minority will not unite with this majority.

Well you did say earlier the minority were the ones who blamed SISU...

So you are saying that because there is a minority and majority everybody should just agree with the majority? I don't get it. People can still respect other people's views without abusing it at one end of the scale and then agreeing with it just because the majority think it at the other end.

I agree people should work together but it is about compromise and discussion rather than hatred and abuse. (from either direction) If people won't go in the ground you can't force them, the same as you can't force them to stay out, so find a way around it.

This whole "I am in the majority so you are being divisive as you don't do as I say" is bullshit.

chuckle chuckle vision, chuckle vision

this whole debate has gone from me to you to me to you for around a year now

 

[ccfc92]

So you are saying that because there is a minority and majority everybody should just agree with the majority? I don't get it. People can still respect other people's views without abusing it at one end of the scale and then agreeing with it just because the majority think it at the other end.

I agree people should work together but it is about compromise and discussion rather than hatred and abuse. (from either direction) If people won't go in the ground you can't force them, the same as you can't force them to stay out, so find a way around it.

This whole "I am in the majority so you are being divisive as you don't do as I say" is bullshit.

Surely as a democratic society, those in the minority follow the majority, and then if the majority are proved wrong, the minority can be smug about it?

Just food for thought, as the minority are so certain of their opinion, surely they can risk going along with the majority?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Just food for thought, as the minority are so certain of their opinion, surely they can risk going along with the majority?

Bloody glad I didn't, when the majority were saying what we needed were owners like SISU, ruthless profit driven financiers who'd take no shit from anyone...

 

[Nick]

Surely as a democratic society, those in the minority follow the majority, and then if the majority are proved wrong, the minority can be smug about it?

Just food for thought, as the minority are so certain of their opinion, surely they can risk going along with the majority?

So what happens if one day 49 people think SISU are bad and 50 think they are good and then the next day 2 people change their mind to bad, should everybody then change their mind just because the majority do? What rubbish.

 

[italiahorse]

So you are saying that because there is a minority and majority everybody should just agree with the majority? I don't get it. People can still respect other people's views without abusing it at one end of the scale and then agreeing with it just because the majority think it at the other end.

I agree people should work together but it is about compromise and discussion rather than hatred and abuse. (from either direction) If people won't go in the ground you can't force them, the same as you can't force them to stay out, so find a way around it.

This whole "I am in the majority so you are being divisive as you don't do as I say" is bullshit.

There will always be a divide, but in a democratic society this is overcome by everybody accepting to go with the majority.
It's not 100% but it provides stability and is the only method of concluding a problem.

Otherwise you go round in circles.

If Sisu run a vote on who wants to be at Sixfields and who wants to be at the Ricoh regardless of Ricoh ownership it would be 99,9% in favour of the Ricoh.
So please answer .... why are we at Sixfields?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

So we can show her how it's done, no?

No because she doesn't care!
It won't make a scrap of difference they DO NOT CARE period!!!!!!!!!

We are who we are some people can mix some can't.
Some people will protest other won't.
Some people go to Six fields others don't.
Some go on the Hill some don't
Some blame Sisu some don't.
Some blame All some don't
Some blame CCC some don't
Some blame Highs some don't
Some blame all the parties others don't
Then there are the ones who want to support SP and the boys and just take it.

So with so many variations of where we stand how the hell are we to stand together.
Can't agree who is to blame even SP is being turned on now and we have only played 2 games.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

So with so many variations of where we stand how the hell are we to stand together.

Because when it comes down to it does it really matter if you're a SISU fanboy and Grendel's the biggest council apologist going?

We can all agree it's not what we signed up for, can't we!

 

[Nick]

There will always be a divide, but in a democratic society this is overcome by everybody accepting to go with the majority.
It's not 100% but it provides stability and is the only method of concluding a problem.

Otherwise you go round in circles.

If Sisu run a vote on who wants to be at Sixfields and who wants to be at the Ricoh regardless of Ricoh ownership it would be 99,9% in favour of the Ricoh.
So please answer .... why are we at Sixfields?

The divide isn't caused by people having different opinions, it is how the difference of opinions are dealt with.

This isn't a government here, people aren't voting for new owners to come in. It is people's own personal opinions we are talking about, they aren't suddenly going to change because somebody demands it because they are a minority are they? 7 of my mates might support Man Utd, 2 Coventry. Doesn't mean I am going to support Man Utd too does it?

 

[italiahorse]

So what happens if one day 49 people think SISU are bad and 50 think they are good and then the next day 2 people change their mind to bad, should everybody then change their mind just because the majority do? What rubbish.

More like 99% think SISU are wrong, 10% can live with it and attend Sixfields.
It will never be anywhere near 50% so it's a rubbish scenario for us.

 

[Samo]

There will always be a divide, but in a democratic society this is overcome by everybody accepting to go with the majority.
It's not 100% but it provides stability and is the only method of concluding a problem.

Otherwise you go round in circles.

If Sisu run a vote on who wants to be at Sixfields and who wants to be at the Ricoh regardless of Ricoh ownership it would be 99,9% in favour of the Ricoh.
So please answer .... why are we at Sixfields?

Christ that's depressing. And inaccurate i think. Your great aspiration is to behave like a sheep? I tell you what, lets go around in circles... Anything but your nightmarish vision of compliance.
Edit: I think you have confused communism with democracy.

 

[Nick]

More like 99% think SISU are wrong, 10% can live with it and attend Sixfields.
It will never be anywhere near 50% so it's a rubbish scenario for us.

I agree, 99% do think sisu are shite. The difference is how they deal with it and their actions. 25% might stand on the hill, 50& might stay at home etc. It doesn't mean they don't all think they are shite still does it?

 

[italiahorse]

The divide isn't caused by people having different opinions, it is how the difference of opinions are dealt with.

This isn't a government here, people aren't voting for new owners to come in. It is people's own personal opinions we are talking about, they aren't suddenly going to change because somebody demands it because they are a minority are they? 7 of my mates might support Man Utd, 2 Coventry. Doesn't mean I am going to support Man Utd too does it?

How do we know if they don't try it ?
You keep defending the indefensibly. Sisu are wrong. 99% agree and 10% can live with it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

How do we know if they don't try it ?

I could counter that by pointing out we haven't treid my favoured choice of packing the ground, and all sodding off after 35 minutes, either...

 

[Nick]

How do we know if they don't try it ?
You keep defending the indefensibly. Sisu are wrong. 99% agree and 10% can live with it.

I haven't defended them. You are basically saying "I am in a majority so you must agree with me and act like me, else you are defending them and causing a divide etc etc".

 

[skybluetony176]

So we can show her how it's done, no?

She doesn't take well to education. Didn't work when a qualified judge gave her free impartial legal advice and told her not to appeal so what makes you think she's going to follow any example we show her? How do you propose we show her?

 

[italiahorse]

Christ that's depressing. And inaccurate i think. Your great aspiration is to behave like a sheep? I tell you what, lets go around in circles... Anything but your nightmarish vision of compliance.

It's life in this country. Less than 50% support the conservatives yet they are the majority party and have the main say in running this country.
Fortunately you get another go after a few years and can judge them on their actions whilst in charge.
However people accept it, continue to vent their views, but accept it.

 

[Samo]

It's life in this country. Less than 50% support the conservatives yet they are the majority party and have the main say in running this country.
Fortunately you get another go after a few years and can judge them on their actions whilst in charge.
However people accept it, continue to vent their views, but accept it.

A little too much acceptance goes on in this country for my liking.

 

[skybluetony176]

Exactly.

I'm surprised you're interested in this. There's no assured outcome from setting her an example and I know you're not interested in trying anything that doesn't have an assured outcome, like protesting about not playing home games in Coventry for instance.

 

[Nick]

It's life in this country. Less than 50% support the conservatives yet they are the majority party and have the main say in running this country.

It doesn't mean that everybody has to change their views to the majority does it? Does that mean everybody now has the support the conservatives because of it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm surprised you're interested in this. There's no assured outcome from setting her an example and I know you're not interested in trying anything that doesn't have an assured outcome, like protesting about not playing home games in Coventry for instance.

tbf to Nick he did say had he been there he'd have held up a sign... but he followed the majority view and didn't go

 

[Nick]

I'm surprised you're interested in this. There's no assured outcome from setting her an example and I know you're not interested in trying anything that doesn't have an assured outcome, like protesting about not playing home games in Coventry for instance.

Or because it stops fans looking silly for going mental about how SISU act and then justify it when fans do the same because "SISU do it".

 

[skybluetony176]

The divide isn't caused by people having different opinions, it is how the difference of opinions are dealt with.

This isn't a government here, people aren't voting for new owners to come in. It is people's own personal opinions we are talking about, they aren't suddenly going to change because somebody demands it because they are a minority are they? 7 of my mates might support Man Utd, 2 Coventry. Doesn't mean I am going to support Man Utd too does it?

There isn't a divide. After Wednesday night there aren't enough non protesting fans to be classed as a divide. Your camp are a fringe element at best.

 

[ccfc92]

So what happens if one day 49 people think SISU are bad and 50 think they are good and then the next day 2 people change their mind to bad, should everybody then change their mind just because the majority do? What rubbish.

I think you missed the point. As usual.

 

[Nick]

There isn't a divide. After Wednesday night there aren't enough non protesting fans to be classed as a divide. Your camp are a fringe element at best.

What is "my camp"? It is shit like that that doesn't help

 

[Nick]

I think you missed the point. As usual.

How have I?

Yes, it is a democracy. It doesn't mean everybody has to think the same, act the same way and have the same opinion as the majority does it?

 

[turlykerd]

What is "my camp"? It is shit like that that doesn't help

something to do with hitler ???

 

[turlykerd]

I could counter that by pointing out we haven't treid my favoured choice of packing the ground, and all sodding off after 35 minutes, either...

i like this idea, but we should all wear kilts and on 35 minutes we should show joy/timmeh, our meat n 2 veg !!!!

 

[Sky Blue Kid]

@ turlykerd.....I've holidayed quite a lot in Florida over the last 20 years, and up till now(Touch Wood) never been caught in one yet ....Seeing as you live in Florida, I'll give you a little clue where I'll be...Polo Trace Golf & CC. You must know where that is.

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

What is "my camp"? It is shit like that that doesn't help

Your camp, like NW, is to tacitly back Sisu's position while trying to act like some sort of smug heroic 'neutral'.

 

[Cov City Daytrader 87]

It's life in this country. Less than 50% support the conservatives yet they are the majority party and have the main say in running this country.
Fortunately you get another go after a few years and can judge them on their actions whilst in charge.
However people accept it, continue to vent their views, but accept it.

The thing is, the general public/voters relies on who ever the governs the country to make their lives better.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Or because it stops fans looking silly for going mental about how SISU act and then justify it when fans do the same because "SISU do it".

Rubbish Nick most of us are working class lads brought up in working class areas of the City.
We fought our own battles our way and if people didn't like it tough.
Most of us are too old to change the way we are.
Worked at Fords for 16 years we went on strike some crossed the picket lines they were called scabs and all matter of things these were our mates for years.
When we returned to work it was forgotten in a couple of days.
That's just the way it is and always will be.
Look at Wimbledon some kept supporting the club when it moved other didn't.
They both now believe they were right.

Sorry but we already look silly playing in that shithole with less then 2000 fans.