Nick
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He sang sisu out.
Phase 2: Operation SISU Out (14 Viewers)
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Voice_of_Reason
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A boycott is wrong. However, we stil need to ensure CCFC remains at the Ricoh. The current arrangement only papers over the cracks and is temporary only (max 4 years). It is important we ensure CCFC remains for the long term and that means either a) SISU buying the Ricoh b) SISU selling CCFC to a buyer who can afford to buy the Ricoh or c) SISU negotiating a permanent agreement with ACL. d)... a new stadium ? You're having a laugh ! Pressure should still be kept up and not let SISU think this has gone away.
Otis
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Moff
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Perhaps they had his balls in a vice?
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I know a couple of fans who knew about the return to the Ricoh before it was announced. They quite rightly kept their counsel. If anyone knows something groundbreaking, then keep stum - and that includes hinting, however unsubtley, that they know someting groundbreaking. Anything of substance will be announced in due course, and at the appropriate time.
As for the OP - not sure this is the correct tactic at all.
As for the OP - not sure this is the correct tactic at all.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
A boycott at the Ricoh is simply not going to happen. There is no appetite for it amongst the fans, after being deprived of their team for so long to ask them to boycott is misjudged in my opinion. The fans just want to see their team play at home, and I suspect take a breather from all the off field shenanigans. Cant really blame them for that to be honest.
What that does not mean is that the fans have either forgotten or forgiven the owners for their actions. Forgotten & forgiven is a generalisation that is simply untrue. People haven't but isn't it time after the best part of two years to focus on the football and the team. Grand gestures against the owners is not what is required right now. Is it not reasonable to expect that fans will grab any enjoyment they can after all that has gone on. That is what is happening
That does not mean that the club and its owners should not be challenged. There is an awful lot of spin being put out, a lot of direction of fans attention, a lot of platitudes etc but the problems and scheming remain. I have plenty of questions but to be honest I want to give it a week or two before asking - I want to enjoy our team being back in Coventry. SISU will still be here, as will all the off field stuff, so too the history of what went on and what is going on now. Keep questioning and demanding proper answers - make the club be transparent with its fans, put the likes of Seppala, Fisher, Waggott on the spot, do not quietly accept what is put forward - leopards do not change their spots as they say. But no one will really forget or forgive our owners for what has gone on.
Final thought on this thread, I find it hard to buy in to the notion if we support the team it will hasten the departure of SISU. They are not in it for the team, the team has always been a tool for a greater ambition and that has not changed. They are back at the Ricoh because they can trade within their budget and not require further debt certainly but that's not the ambition - how do you get hold of something if you have no connection to it? So do not justify your current stance of going or not going by saying it will hasten their departure it wont - if you decide to pay your money over then do it because you want to see your team, you don't need any other justification. If you choose not to pay anything over I respect that choice of principle (as should anyone else respect it) but I do not think it will have much effect especially with the team performing well in L1.
Everyone makes their own choice. But it is hard to think any CCFC fan will forget what has gone on.
Just as an aside. Reading this board recently with all the comments and generalisations of fans behaviour/support I am drawn to a conclusion that CCFC fans are united in/by the divisions the dispute has caused and continues to cause. For a while at least can we not be just united by the team we all support?
What that does not mean is that the fans have either forgotten or forgiven the owners for their actions. Forgotten & forgiven is a generalisation that is simply untrue. People haven't but isn't it time after the best part of two years to focus on the football and the team. Grand gestures against the owners is not what is required right now. Is it not reasonable to expect that fans will grab any enjoyment they can after all that has gone on. That is what is happening
That does not mean that the club and its owners should not be challenged. There is an awful lot of spin being put out, a lot of direction of fans attention, a lot of platitudes etc but the problems and scheming remain. I have plenty of questions but to be honest I want to give it a week or two before asking - I want to enjoy our team being back in Coventry. SISU will still be here, as will all the off field stuff, so too the history of what went on and what is going on now. Keep questioning and demanding proper answers - make the club be transparent with its fans, put the likes of Seppala, Fisher, Waggott on the spot, do not quietly accept what is put forward - leopards do not change their spots as they say. But no one will really forget or forgive our owners for what has gone on.
Final thought on this thread, I find it hard to buy in to the notion if we support the team it will hasten the departure of SISU. They are not in it for the team, the team has always been a tool for a greater ambition and that has not changed. They are back at the Ricoh because they can trade within their budget and not require further debt certainly but that's not the ambition - how do you get hold of something if you have no connection to it? So do not justify your current stance of going or not going by saying it will hasten their departure it wont - if you decide to pay your money over then do it because you want to see your team, you don't need any other justification. If you choose not to pay anything over I respect that choice of principle (as should anyone else respect it) but I do not think it will have much effect especially with the team performing well in L1.
Everyone makes their own choice. But it is hard to think any CCFC fan will forget what has gone on.
Just as an aside. Reading this board recently with all the comments and generalisations of fans behaviour/support I am drawn to a conclusion that CCFC fans are united in/by the divisions the dispute has caused and continues to cause. For a while at least can we not be just united by the team we all support?
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torchomatic
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BackRoomRummermill
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Who has the nine suits ? 
SkyBlueMatt
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I think we were already boycotting by the looks of the Yeovil game!
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I think we were boycotting the game by the looks of the Yeovil game!
Like the chair thing - only hope that Hill can rise to the challenge
hill83
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Who has the nine suits ?
Ha, someone who rarely post anymore. Time I removed it to be fair.
skybluepm2
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I was going to write 'go away' but I like your response far better
Hobo
Well-Known Member
I wouldn't know best ask a member of the trust?
All the revenues aren't just someone's to hand over to SISU, which makes things a little awkward:thinking about:
Otis
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I think we were already boycotting by the looks of the Yeovil game!
Does that represent the 'Can't Be Arsed Brigade' or the 'If You Can't Find Me You Can't Ask Me If I Went Or Not Brigade?'
Moff
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He isnt posting as he is away with the Krankies or someone else he knows from the 'world of entertainment' as he likes to put it. I think he went last week, probably with several of his nine suits.
lordsummerisle
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"Hanky Panky Krankie" one of my favourite headlines when the swinging stories came out.
SydneySkyBlue
Member
Decent response, thanks.
For me there is no future for the football club with SISU at the helm. Or at least nothing other than stagnation while they wait for someone to pay them their losses.
While it's viable for them to stay, they will, but I don't expect any real investment in the squad going forward. There is no evidence to prove otherwise.
I've read every post on this thread but nothing has made me rethink my own stance. Although alarmingly I am very much in the minority on here!
As far as I'm concerned the only way it wouldn't be viable for them to stay is if it wouldn't be viable for them to stay - protests inside the ground may embarrass them but we've all seen this won't move them on.
SydneySkyBlue
Member
I'd like to add to this that I don't think small attendances will be detrimental to the team - you only need to look to our performances at Sh*tfields to see that.
runner
Active Member
Whilst I don't expect anyone to boycott the Ricoh now ... I think that is asking too much ... SISU will, I fear, just pocket the additional revenue being triggered by the increased home crowds and not invest at all any of that back in to the club. It's merely patching up the expense of the year befores bungle ... we won't see investment sadly ... they do need to go to get that on the pitch.
Samo
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So their business plan is.....?
stupot07
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There will be no extra cash to pocket, we'll be lucky to break even.
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skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
I think you're probably right about SISU pocketing the extra income in a way. OSB will be able to confirm this but aren't we due to start paying the ARVO loans back soon? January 2015 springs to mind. These are the loans that were described as "not real debt".
It cost us Wilsons services this season.
Don't think we'll be seeing much Input through ARVO from what I'm hearing ,more the other way.
shmmeee
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They'll never lose as much now as they were at Sixfields, you simply won't get thousands joining your protest. Given this, what's the point of the protest? Even then, who would notice? Will you be protesting outside the ground? To what end?
The Sixfields boycott not only fitted because we were refusing to acknowledge the ground move, but because we had a clear request.
No club's fans have ever successfully got rid of an owner, certainly not without a visible protest, which is what you are suggesting.
It's not your aims that people take issue with, it's the method.
I think we were already boycotting by the looks of the Yeovil game!
I looked up the attendance last time we played Yeovil at the Ricoh (March 2013) - it was 11.200.
So it more looks like we're back to normal more than anything else.
The Gillingham game was the exception, not the Yeovil game.
shmmeee
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Yep. Have a look at the game the same time of year for another comparison, it was about 9k.
We've done well to not lost any fans in 2 seasons. History suggests we'd have lost 2-4k in that period without any success.
chiefdave
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Waggott is an improvement over the likes of Onye, Dulieu. Labovich and Fisher but at the end of the day he is still the front for SISU so how much will really change? I would love to know what SISU's plans are. The real ones not the BS they feed us. Their chances of getting the Ricoh on the cheap look very slim now unless something dramatic happens with the appeal and the new ground plan just doesn't stack up financially.
You have to remember that while we talk about what is best for the club their primary concern is making money or minimising losses. So while it is good for the club if we get pie money in the grand scheme of things that's not really the answer for SISU. The only option I can see for them now is to try and add value to the club with minimal investment / losses. If we go up this season and crowds increase the club is a much more saleable asset. They will get nothing like the £60m they claim to have put in, they most likely what get close to the genuine amount they have put in back but at this stage what other options do they have?
Of course as Coventry fans we should all know never to assume things can't get any worse and be wary of welcoming anyone new with open arms just because they aren't SISU. That's how we ended up in this mess!
You have to remember that while we talk about what is best for the club their primary concern is making money or minimising losses. So while it is good for the club if we get pie money in the grand scheme of things that's not really the answer for SISU. The only option I can see for them now is to try and add value to the club with minimal investment / losses. If we go up this season and crowds increase the club is a much more saleable asset. They will get nothing like the £60m they claim to have put in, they most likely what get close to the genuine amount they have put in back but at this stage what other options do they have?
Of course as Coventry fans we should all know never to assume things can't get any worse and be wary of welcoming anyone new with open arms just because they aren't SISU. That's how we ended up in this mess!
Maybe we should wait a bit before starting another war.
It's not unlikely the ownership structure will change sooner rather than later. Moving back could be the first step.
Sisu could be moving away from the club leaving ARVO in charge and maybe a new investor (Byng?) coming in.
This could explain why sisu push on with the JR appeals and why ACL/CCC didn't let the litigation process become a show stopper.
It could also explain the management reshuffle at the club.
If there is any reality to this speculation it could also explain why the club owners will only meet in private with MP Damien Collins.
(I sincerely hope it doesn't explain why Hoffman got his executive box back at the Ricoh!).
Astute
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I suppose he would have been called a band wagoner if he didn't :thinking about:
I really don't care what he's called, as long as it's not 'club executive'.