Stadium Ownership (14 Viewers)

[RFC]

SW quoted in CT

Wasps talks positive but ........... all about revenue streams on none match days!

"They understand that and understand that the longer-term ambition for the football club is to be in a stadium where we access revenue 365 days a year – not on 23 or 24 days.”

 

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[lifelongcityfan]

If its that critical, why havent they started building it yet??

Surely the sooner its built the sooner the pie money rolls in??

 

[rupert_bear]

Or bid for the Higgs half, unless they do, they have about 25 days left.

 

[skybluetony176]

You're connected RFC. How are they going to generate this all year round income? From the "plans" they've turned out I dont recall seeing a Hotel, Casino and exhibition hall. Surely this is what gives the Ricoh all year round income?

 

[Hobo]

Yes they do appreciate it as they know how difficult it is to get a good tenants agreement and how difficult it is to source and build your own stadium.

They also realised, unlike SISU, that the Ricoh was a cheap gift horse.

 

[richnrg]

surely no football stadium manages to generate income on all 365 days of the year? Unless it incorporates a hotel, casino and conference centre of course - but that would be ridiculous.

 

[Norman Binns]

SW quoted in CT

Wasps talks positive but ........... all about revenue streams on none match days!

"They understand that and understand that the longer-term ambition for the football club is to be in a stadium where we access revenue 365 days a year – not on 23 or 24 days.”

So if we owned our very own 12k capacity stadium outside of Coventry, what sort of 24/7/365 revenue would be available that we currently don’t get? Stadium Heritage Tours for example?

 

[RFC]

If its that critical, why havent they started building it yet??

Surely the sooner its built the sooner the pie money rolls in??

Not about the pie money, it's about income and revenue streams the other 340 days each and every year.

Regarding the building being started that will happen if and when the land purchase and planning go's-through but before that happens you have to jump through an enormous number of hoops.

Highways, environmental, local roads and transport links etc. etc.. Unfortunately authorities tend to move at a snails pace!

 

[dadgad]

"Stadium heritage tours" - that's good! The disconnect between that and the reality is tragic.

 

[ccfcway]

SW quoted in CT

Wasps talks positive but ........... all about revenue streams on none match days!

"They understand that and understand that the longer-term ambition for the football club is to be in a stadium where we access revenue 365 days a year – not on 23 or 24 days.”

do they understand we are 15 months into a 3 year plan to build a new stadium, and we have only really spoken to the lollypop lady

 

[dadgad]

RFC - is there a loony bin big enough to accommodate his lunacy?

 

[torchomatic]

Oh look, here they go already, the "usual suspects". :claping hands:

 

[RFC]

You're connected RFC. How are they going to generate this all year round income? From the "plans" they've turned out I dont recall seeing a Hotel, Casino and exhibition hall. Surely this is what gives the Ricoh all year round income?

N


This will depend on other investment from the overall redevelopment of the area, refer you to the recent minutes of Stadium Forum committee SG.

 

[lifelongcityfan]

so... they are going to build a stadium and huge retail park now...in the middle of warwickshire

 

[bradwellskyblues]

they had 7 years to negotiate a deal for acl/higgs they failed miserably and allowed wasps to drive up from london and do a deal,so to carp on about new stadiums and revenues is frankly just insulting to us the fans

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Not about the pie money, it's about income and revenue streams the other 340 days each and every year.

Regarding the building being started that will happen if and when the land purchase and planning go's-through but before that happens you have to jump through an enormous number of hoops.

Highways, environmental, local roads and transport links etc. etc.. Unfortunately authorities tend to move at a snails pace!

Oh, that's cleared the delay questions up, it's the authorities fault. Which local authority is meant to be involved?

 

[RFC]

so... they are going to build a stadium and huge retail park now...in the middle of warwickshire

Like you I don't know where it will be built ( but have a very good idea where ) and your talking about an acquisition of land between 50 & 70 acres ( with additional adjacent land for further future development ), so consultation and accurate detail are essential. I'd refer you to the recent minutes of the Stadium Form Group.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Like you I don't know where it will be built ( but have a very good idea where ) and your talking about an acquisition of land between 50 & 70 acres ( with additional adjacent land for further future development ), so consultation and accurate detail are essential. I'd refer you to the recent minutes of the Stadium Form Group.

Which bit of the outline minutes are you referring? Why not share your guess of the location?

 

[dadgad]

This RFC character is on some weird psychotropic cocktail. It was pointed out to Fisher over a year ago why the 3 years bollox was just that; BOLLOX.
And now RFC is back pointing out
What has been already spelled out to him and other deluded nutters. How thick are these people?

 

[Sbarcher]

Like you I don't know where it will be built ( but have a very good idea where ) and your talking about an acquisition of land between 50 & 70 acres ( with additional adjacent land for further future development ), so consultation and accurate detail are essential. I'd refer you to the recent minutes of the Stadium Form Group.

Surely if SISU are in negotiation on a 50/70 acre plot not one jot of information has been leaked?All of those people, authorities involved and all not saying a word - never!
Also I seem to recall all surrounding District Councils were asked via FOI submissions if they were in/had any discussions with SISU and all gave a negative response.

 

[KersleyDigs]

Which bit of the outline minutes are you referring? Why not share your guess of the location?

Exactly. if it's a guess then no harm done. If it is not a guess, then it makes no odds if you say it is a guess....

 

[Otis]

so... they are going to build a stadium and huge retail park now...in the middle of warwickshire

Well yep, that's my beef. Where on where are they going to find this magical piece of land, near Coventry, that has this great access and fab parking and will be big enough to encompass a casino and exhibition halls and hotels etc?

It's getting all a bit beyond ridiculous now.

A new stadium in the middle of nowhere simply isn't going to generate the revenue. You need customers and customers want easy access and good location and great facilities.

This thing sounds like a white elephant before we even start. Whatever at first is mooted, you can be bound sure any reality wouln't even be half of that vision.

Sisu simply have to be looking how they can get more revenue and access to revenue through Wasps.

Wasps aren't going to be utilising the Ricoh for 365 days a year on a significant basis. There are halls etc. at the Ricoh that I am sure CCFC could utilise when Wasps aren't using them.

There is also the land around the Ricoh. If it is to be developed then Sisu need to be looking to see if they can get involved with that.

 

[RFC]

So if we owned our very own 12k capacity stadium outside of Coventry, what sort of 24/7/365 revenue would be available that we currently don’t get? Stadium Heritage Tours for example?

Please try and be factual at least!

The capacity will be between 16,000 & 18,000 which is sensible if you look at our average gates over the last 15 to 20 years ( apart of course from our initial season @ the Ricoh ). If success followed as it's module ( similar to Rotherham's New York Stadium. (S60 1AH) also check out www.newyorkstadium.net/

 

[covcity4life]

whist its true we need more revenue i think sisu are twats for not publically bidding for ricoh

if they do build a ground it will be smaller and not in cov, so i doubt they will get many concerts or conferences etc.

unless wasps buy us i cant see us ever owning own ground and doing well.

 

[dadgad]

Exactly. if it's a guess then no harm done. If it is not a guess, then it makes no odds if you say it is a guess....

Cloud cuckoo land - surprised you haven't heard of it.

 

[Otis]

whist its true we need more revenue i think sisu are twats for not publically bidding for ricoh

if they do build a ground it will be smaller and not in cov, so i doubt they will get many concerts or conferences etc.

unless wasps buy us i cant see us ever owning own ground and doing well.

Exactly.

 

[RFC]

Well yep, that's my beef. Where on where are they going to find this magical piece of land, near Coventry, that has this great access and fab parking and will be big enough to encompass a casino and exhibition halls and hotels etc?

It's getting all a bit beyond ridiculous now.

A new stadium in the middle of nowhere simply isn't going to generate the revenue. You need customers and customers want easy access and good location and great facilities.

This thing sounds like a white elephant before we even start. Whatever at first is mooted, you can be bound sure any reality wouln't even be half of that vision.

Sisu simply have to be looking how they can get more revenue and access to revenue through Wasps.

Wasps aren't going to be utilising the Ricoh for 365 days a year on a significant basis. There are halls etc. at the Ricoh that I am sure CCFC could utilise when Wasps aren't using them.

There is also the land around the Ricoh. If it is to be developed then Sisu need to be looking to see if they can get involved with that.

I don't believe sharing the Ricoh is or remotely could be an option and few appear to get that we need to be completely in charge of our own destiny, not just financially but the stadium has to be 'home' just like Highfield Road and not as meagre tenants, as we are at the moment at the Ricoh.

Most contributors on this site would not believe how restricted CCFC are in what they're able or want to implement!

 

[RFC]

whist its true we need more revenue i think sisu are twats for not publically bidding for ricoh

if they do build a ground it will be smaller and not in cov, so i doubt they will get many concerts or conferences etc.

unless wasps buy us i cant see us ever owning own ground and doing well.

What makes you think that they'd be allowed to do that?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

I don't believe sharing the Ricoh is or remotely could be an option and few appear to get that we need to be completely in charge of our own destiny, not just financially but the stadium has to be 'home' just like Highfield Road and not as meagre tenants, as we are at the moment at the Ricoh.

Most contributors on this site would not believe how restricted CCFC are in what they're able or want to implement!

You raise the financial issue, and you've had a long time to work out an answer now, so how will the club afford to play in a new stadium?

 

[RFC]

Exactly.

Always assuming Wasps have the financial clout and funding to make their move a successful one?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Always assuming Wasps have the financial clout and funding to make their move a successful one?

If it fails then the shares will be for sale again, do you think SISU should be interested in buying at that point?

 

[Godiva]

do they understand we are 15 months into a 3 year plan to build a new stadium, and we have only really spoken to the lollypop lady

The original 3-5 year schedule is surely reset with the return to the Ricoh?
The urgency has gone as there are no looming penalties from the FL.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

The original 3-5 year schedule is surely reset with the return to the Ricoh?
The urgency has gone as there are no looming penalties from the FL.

The urgency is surely that the land owner will sell to someone else.

 

[Otis]

I don't believe sharing the Ricoh is or remotely could be an option and few appear to get that we need to be completely in charge of our own destiny, not just financially but the stadium has to be 'home' just like Highfield Road and not as meagre tenants, as we are at the moment at the Ricoh.

Most contributors on this site would not believe how restricted CCFC are in what they're able or want to implement!

And how do we envisage that happening if it is miles outside Coventry?

Put it this way, if it was in Rugby would it feel like our home? What about if it was in Nuneaton, or Atherstone, or Hinckley, or Leamington, or Warwick?

The burning question for everyone, is where is this magical piece of land close to Coventry?

 

[hill83]

What makes you think that they'd be allowed to do that?

He's got super secret insider knowledge that he can't share on here. Luckily whatever the outcome he'll still be able to say "Told you so" either way.