Who's Really To Blame ? (3 Viewers)

[bringbackrattles]

I've spoken to a few City fans about Pressley and how I think maybe it's time for him to go. But to my amazement the response I got back was that Pressley is doing a good job under the circumstances,and it's the players fault for losing games and not the manager.Which leads me onto this question :Who should take the blame,the players or the manager ? Or is it a combination of them both ?

 

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[chiefdave]

SP signed the players so ultimately it comes back to him. We hear opposition managers saying they are surprised where we are with the squad we have, we hear experts on the radio bemused by the team selection and tactics, we hear talk of players ignoring SP, we see players leave and immediately do better. All seems to point back to SP.

While SISU are far from ideal owners what are the circumstances that are preventing SP doing a better job? We have excellent facilities at this level, some of the biggest crowds, we are told we are up the top end of the table for playing budget. It's not like our team is all freebies and everyone else is spending millions.

 

[italiahorse]

I blame Pressley for falling out with players and putting personal conflict ahead of the team IMHO.
I blame Sisu for providing us with poor quality players, either pass their best or just not good enough for L1.
I can't blame the players for being put in out there depth, but I will blame them for not putting in a full shift.
JOB is an example of trying your best. Playing out of position is not an excuse to not try your best.

 

[Nick]

Out of their depth? Of course most of them are good enough for league 1.

11 Good players won't always make a good team though.

 

[bringbackrattles]

When a new manager comes into a club it nearly always begins with a honeymoon period and games won instead of lost.
So if a new one came in to our club now, we could gain enough points to move away from where we are,and even get just outside the play offs ?

 

[lordsummerisle]

When a new manager comes into a club it nearly always begins with a honeymoon period and games won instead of lost.
So if a new one came in to our club now, we could gain enough points to move away from where we are,and even get just outside the play offs ?

Unless it's like Pressley's honeymoon period..

 

[Nick]

Out of interest, what are the people who think Pressley is going a good job's views on SISU?

 

[Chez78]

Out of interest, what are the people who think Pressley is going a good job's views on SISU?

They all think the the Players are garbage and every win we get is outstanding management by the messiah and not even Jose could get better results.

I've heard it all from the Pressley in crowd, sacking the manager won't solve anything, who else could we get (exactly what they said when Robbins left), every name you give of a manager doing it in a lower league has no experience, Pressley is a young manager bound to make mistakes, players leaving are not good enough anyway so on and so on.

Everything about Pressleys record is shocking and the fact everyone goes about his record of developing youth is laughable, all our current youth gems that either are being sold or ruined by him are the fine work of Rioch. And for anyone on twitter not following Greg Rioch you should check out his posts quite clear why he left

I'm truly amazed that I haven't read he's been sacked this morning and if we stick with him we are down.

 

[wingy]

They all think the the Players are garbage and every win we get is outstanding management by the messiah and not even Jose could get better results.

I've heard it all from the Pressley in crowd, sacking the manager won't solve anything, who else could we get (exactly what they said when Robbins left), every name you give of a manager doing it in a lower league has no experience, Pressley is a young manager bound to make mistakes, players leaving are not good enough anyway so on and so on.

Everything about Pressleys record is shocking and the fact everyone goes about his record of developing youth is laughable, all our current youth gems that either are being sold or ruined by him are the fine work of Rioch. And for anyone on twitter not following Greg Rioch you should check out his posts quite clear why he left

I'm truly amazed that I haven't read he's been sacked this morning and if we stick with him we are down.

Care to post some of Gregors tweets up for those that don't do twitter

 

[bringbackrattles]

Out of interest, what are the people who think Pressley is going a good job's views on SISU?

Strangely Nick I've noticed since our return to the Ricoh that our nemesis SISU have hardly been mentioned.
Either, many fans have accepted that we're stuck with them,or just lost interest ?

 

[wingy]

Out of interest, what are the people who think Pressley is going a good job's views on SISU?

Who's saying they're happy with Pressley?;-)

 

[Nick]

Strangely Nick I've noticed since our return to the Ricoh that our nemesis SISU have hardly been mentioned.
Either, many fans have accepted that we're stuck with them,or just lost interest ?

Yeah, nobody has mentioned SISU at all.

 

[Nick]

Who's saying they're happy with Pressley?;-)

In the original post

 

[italiahorse]

Out of their depth? Of course most of them are good enough for league 1.

11 Good players won't always make a good team though.

I disagree. Generalising .....
Forwards are all poor finishers. Defenders cannot track runners. Midfielders fail to predict the second ball or tackle.
Wingbacks making runs that are not seen. Almost impossible to pass through midfield. No speed in attack.

 

[italiahorse]

Strangely Nick I've noticed since our return to the Ricoh that our nemesis SISU have hardly been mentioned.
Either, many fans have accepted that we're stuck with them,or just lost interest ?

Probably because they are quiet and working on their next bombshell.

 

[bringbackrattles]

Who's saying they're happy with Pressley?;-)

Wingy I spoke last night to a group of fans in the Wheatsheaf and each of them said Pressley should not get sacked,so I see that as them being happy with him.I'd sack him today as I'm not !

 

[Chez78]

Care to post some of Gregors tweets up for those that don't do twitter

As soon as I've figured out how transfer from phone to here I'll do it, off to my little girls b'day party first

 

[Nick]

Wingy I spoke last night to a group of fans in the Wheatsheaf and each of them said Pressley should not get sacked,so I see that as them being happy with him.I'd sack him today as I'm not !

But they aren't fussed about SISU either?

 

[wingy]

As soon as I've figured out how transfer from phone to here I'll do it, off to my little girls b'day party first

Cheers fella
Many happy returns to the little one

 

[Sick Boy]

When you consider our wage bill it's obvious that SP is to blame. There's no way that our players are league 2 or non league standard.

 

[bringbackrattles]

But they aren't fussed about SISU either?

Like I said SISU never get talked about so you could take that as many are happy with them. I'm not so they should go with Pressley too !

 

[chiefdave]

Care to post some of Gregors tweets up for those that don't do twitter

https://twitter.com/GJRioch

You don't need to sign up to anything to see them. It's pretty similar to what some on here say to be honest, when any player leaves he seems to imply they will do better now they are under another management team who can realise the players potential.

 

[wingy]

https://twitter.com/GJRioch
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You don't need to sign up to anything to see them. It's pretty similar to what some on here say to be honest, when any player leaves he seems to imply they will do better now they are under another management team who can realise the players potential.

Thanks CD....

 

[SkyBlueSid]

I think that everything has to ultimately come down to SISU on the old adage that "The Buck Stops Here".

I agree that having a new manager every year or so is not a sound policy, but the reason for that is the managers they appoint are invariably poor. We simply don't attract decent managers, just whichever of the usual suspects happen to be out of work at the time. The only exception in recent years was Robins who was way above the rest but soon saw what he had let himself in for and baled out. Any managers we might want will not be interested, and any who are interested are likely to be people nobody would want.

The same applies to players. Because of what the club has become, we are getting the out-of-contract journeymen that nobody else wants, and the same is likely to be true of our loans. I get the impression that many of our players are not bothered, biding their time until they can get to the exit door. The lack of ambition pervades through the club and it shows everywhere.

 

[stupot07]

Pressley is ultimately to blame for our league position. Our wage bill is more than adequate for this league, his tactics are poor and ever changing, his recruitment has been poor, his treatment of players is poor.

Swindon have a team full of freebies, loans and kids and we're told by a swindon fan that their budget is 2/3rd the size of ours.

I've stuck up for Pressley in the past but he has not performed well enough with the resources he's been given.


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[Paxman II]

The post is about SP and whether he is doing a reasonable job under the circumstances? Well tbh he is not, at least not anymore.
His decision making of late has been questionable by many. Team selections, tactics etc. I would agree with that criticism.

I think it's time we all accepted this is not about SISU. This is about a manager who is failing at getting results on a consistent level and with the resources he has at hand.
Those resources are good enough on paper at this level for a playoff place in many other peoples assessment it would be fair to say. Indeed SP said as much himself.

All managers go through good and bad phases but the recent return to the Ricoh should have brought some stability and encouragement to the club. We are here for the foreseeable future and any talk about other stadiums is just that, talk. Players and managers should not be putting any emphasis on that side of the clubs issues...it's out of their hands. They have employment contracts and probably the best facilities of any league one club at their disposal.

I said earlier a little tongue in cheek about SP being a number 2 and bringing in someone who knows these leagues better and has better contacts, someone I think SP can learn from. But the reality of that happening is probably zero.
I think what SISU have now put in place with the academy investment, the will to bring the youth through and find sustainability to build on is correct. If we have to sell one or two that come through then that will always be the case. Hopefully before then they will have made their impact with us and improved us. SP may be the one to bring this policy to fruition based on his past record.

The more immediate problem is his management of the first team. I think here he can be considered a failure. Whether that's his alone or some blame attached to the back room staff is open to question but the buck stops with him.

Unless there is a marked improvement with the first team results over the next month I can't see his position remaining tenable.

 

[bringbackrattles]

The post is about SP and whether he is doing a reasonable job under the circumstances? Well tbh he is not, at least not anymore.
His decision making of late has been questionable by many. Team selections, tactics etc. I would agree with that criticism.

I think it's time we all accepted this is not about SISU. This is about a manager who is failing at getting results on a consistent level and with the resources he has at hand.
Those resources are good enough on paper at this level for a playoff place in many other peoples assessment it would be fair to say. Indeed SP said as much himself.

All managers go through good and bad phases but the recent return to the Ricoh should have brought some stability and encouragement to the club. We are here for the foreseeable future and any talk about other stadiums is just that, talk. Players and managers should not be putting any emphasis on that side of the clubs issues...it's out of their hands. They have employment contracts and probably the best facilities of any league one club at their disposal.

I said earlier a little tongue in cheek about SP being a number 2 and bringing in someone who knows these leagues better and has better contacts, someone I think SP can learn from. But the reality of that happening is probably zero.
I think what SISU have now put in place with the academy investment, the will to bring the youth through and find sustainability to build on is correct. If we have to sell one or two that come through then that will always be the case. Hopefully before then they will have made their impact with us and improved us. SP may be the one to bring this policy to fruition based on his past record.

The more immediate problem is his management of the first team. I think here he can be considered a failure. Whether that's his alone or some blame attached to the back room staff is open to question but the buck stops with him.

Unless there is a marked improvement with the first team results over the next month I can't see his position remaining tenable.

It's time fans stopped sticking up for the manager as football is all about results and our's are terrible. I like Pressley as a bloke as he seems honest and likeable,but I liked my ex missus but that didn't stop me from calling it a day. In other words sentiment doesn't get you anywhere if things need changing.So sorry Steven there's the door thanks and all that but goodbye !

 

[Gint11]

Ultimately it's down to SP in my opinion. When the lads cross the White line it's down to them to put in a shift and work as a team to get results but tactics, formations and tweaks/subs can win you games especially ones that are tight. SP is getting his tactics right once every 5 games. His signings are terrible. They are either bad or unproven or good but injury prone. His record is terrible and I'd class his as experienced now with over 250 professional games under his belt I heard? He needs to go.


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