SBT Statement (10 Viewers)

torchomatic

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There have been a number of statements recently, in the press and on social media, about support for an “independent” inquiry into into the Council's sale of Arena Coventry Limited to Wasps. The Council have explained that the transaction will be the subject of a report by their external auditors. In the Trust’s view, that is preferable to any such “independent inquiry’ for several reasons:
The Council’s auditors are appointed under legislation which gives them statutory powers, full access to documentation and the ability to compel Council officials to respond to questions. They are required by law to be wholly impartial and objective. They can impose a range of legal sanctions if wrongdoing is found. An independent inquiry would have none of those features. The Trust recognises that integrity and financial probity in dealings by Coventry City Council are of great importance to the Council Tax payers of the City and we await the outcome of the audit with interest.
But, from the Trust’s point of view, there is an issue far more important to the future of Coventry City Football Club - i.e. the dreadful plight of the team, in its lowest League position for half a century, with dwindling attendances and shockingly low morale amongst supporters. Rather than focussing on the background to a completed transaction, we are far more concerned to press the people responsible for the Club’s plight - its owners - to show some ambition and fight for our Club’s survival in League One and then to move upwards.
The stance of the Trust has been challenged by Mr Peter Ward of the Supporters Consultative Group. He has made some misleading points about the Trust. He says that we claim to represent the views of fans. We claim only to represent the views of our members, as assessed in regular surveys and at monthly open meetings.
He also says our recent survey “to which a few hundred fans responded was one-sided and unreasonably loaded against the club's owners. He added many fans would have welcomed an additional question, asking: Should fans support the team, at least until there is any clear and realistic takeover proposal with SISU prepared to sell’?”
The survey attracted over 600 responses. That level of participation and the decisive outcome is statistically proven to be an accurate representation of the views of our members on this issue. It began with a clear statement that the Trust will continue to communicate with the Club’s owners and will seek to hold them to account for progress on their five point plan.
It gave two options - one seeking to have the Club’s Board replaced and the second asking SISU to seek a new owner for the Club. We were aware that some may not support either course of action and so invited people to opt for “neither.” In fact only a tiny number of our members chose that option.
Mr Ward’s idea that we should ask Coventry City fans whether they should continue to support the team is frankly ludicrous. Of course they should and we will. There has never been any doubt about the Trust or its members supporting the team or having the best interests of Coventry City Football Club at heart. What is clear is that our members overwhelmingly believe that Sisu’s stewardship of our club is not and has not been beneficial to the team or its supporters. The long term record of failure by the owners and the Directors that they have appointed to run the club stands as clear evidence that our members belief is well-founded.
The Trust continues to worry that the Supporter’s Consultative Group is deeply flawed in its composition and methods of operating.
The Group’s Terms of Reference say that: “the Group will comprise up to 15 supporters, who will represent various supporter organisations and/or demographic groups whose input is considered of value in representing the generality of Coventry City supporters.” Apart from the Trust, the London Supporters and one or two others, we have no idea who the other people on the Group claim to represent other than themselves or how they gauge opinion from those for whom they purport to speak. We recognise that many of the other people on the SCG are genuine in their commitment to the Club, however there appears to be little accountability or balance.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
Fair enough.
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
so who are the other members in this group then? Surely there are minutes that reflect who these parties are??

I dont disagree with the comment that the survey was very loaded to one objective however...... The big question really is 'what next??'
 

fernandopartridge

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Why are the Trust bothered about whether or not there is an independent inquiry?

As it has no impact on CCFC I don't understand why they're bothering to write about it?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
I think that's the sideshow. They don't like being called-out by other groups.

Why are the Trust bothered about whether or not there is an independent inquiry?

As it has no impact on CCFC I don't understand why they're bothering to write about it?
 

Otis

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I think that's the sideshow. They don't like being called-out by other groups.

It's like my 10 year old with her maths at the mo. She keeps asking me to help her with fractions and I say I have enough of them to contend with supporting Coventry City at the minute, go and ask your mum.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
Fronted adverbs for my 8 year old at the mo.

It's like my 10 year old with her maths at the mo. She keeps asking me to help her with fractions and I say I have enough of them to contend with supporting Coventry City at the minute, go and ask your mum.
 

Nick

Administrator
I wouldn't say its because they don't care about the club, there could be a fair few reasons.

Emails being sent to old email addresses
Emails not reaching the trust after being sent
People not liking the choices and just not bothering
Sky Blues Trust emails going into spam

There could be a fair few.
 

Steve.B50

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I wouldn't say its because they don't care about the club, there could be a fair few reasons.

Emails being sent to old email addresses
Emails not reaching the trust after being sent
People not liking the choices and just not bothering
Sky Blues Trust emails going into spam

There could be a fair few.

Do not agree Nick.
The whole affair has ground us down.
Most of us no longer care.
 

Nick

Administrator
Do not agree Nick.
The whole affair has ground us down.
Most of us no longer care.

Ah ok, so everybody who didn't reply no longer cares about CCFC?

Of course there are lots of reasons why people may not have replied.

Who are you speaking of when you say "us" ?
 

Bennets Afro

Well-Known Member
How come there wasn't a vote on course of action about inquiry decision by the trust? Why they making decisions without consulting members?

Do all members agree that they don't want an inquiry? Going on the other thread today, seems a lot more people want an inquiry then not
 

Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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I wouldn't say its because they don't care about the club, there could be a fair few reasons.

Emails being sent to old email addresses
Emails not reaching the trust after being sent
People not liking the choices and just not bothering
Sky Blues Trust emails going into spam

There could be a fair few.

Spam:thinking about:So thats where all the fans have gone. I knew they'd be somewhere
 

Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
How come there wasn't a vote on course of action about inquiry decision by the trust? Why they making decisions without consulting members?

Do all members agree that they don't want an inquiry? Going on the other thread today, seems a lot more people want an inquiry then not

Isn't JR2 going to deal with this?
 

Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
I hear Spam is lovely at this time of year.

th
 

duffer

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Hold up a moment.

The trust, quite correctly, asked it's members to vote when they wanted support for the 'blunt instrument' route of demanding the owners leave. It was poorly done, imho, but at least they tried to be democratic. But when it comes to making a public statement about a broader enquiry into the sale to Wasps, they suddenly decide to do it unilaterally without any attempt to refer to the wider membership. Why is that?

This call for an enquiry is important stuff, and it goes way beyond the club - why does the trust suddenly feel obliged to make statements on it? And what do the trust gain from defending the council - are they as daft as some here and believe it's a binary issue, Council Good/SISU Bad?

As a member of the trust, I'm really, really disappointed with their recent actions. They've given Fisher and SISU every excuse to completely disregard them, and not for the first time seem to have let the personal opinions of a few members be presented as the united voice of the fans. That, to me, is bang out of order.

Fisher made an accusation against the trust a while back, that effectively they were in bed with Weber Shandwick and the council. I never believed it, but this sort of thing gives me pause for thought I'll tell you.

Whilst I'm here I might as well note that the request I made to Steve to ask Wasps publically what they'd be willing to offer to CCFC hasn't been taken up. That's a pity to my mind. If the trust is here solely to try to do the best for the club, they might want to consider how close they need to get to Wasps and CCC to do that.

Jan, Steve, or anyone else who presumes to speak for the trust, please feel free to respond. It would be a real benefit to have this discussion out in the open rather than down The Squirrel, perhaps.
 

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