skybluetony176
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I find it easier to just assume nobody is a fan of Fisher and Waggott.
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I find it easier to just assume nobody is a fan of Fisher and Waggott.
Nick
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People can do what they like, if they enjoy Rugby I hope they have a great day out.
However, people liked to hand abuse out to people who went to Sixfields but now won't have a bad word said about Wasps.
I wouldn't start calling people Scabs etc for going, however if people were quick to throw crap about about Sixfields it does raise a chuckle. If they didn't feel the need to abuse / give it the moral high ground about Sixfields and want to go to watch Wasps then of course I hope they have a good day.
skybluetony176
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Seems to me that there are more people on here who went to Sixfields giving out shit to people who have been to Wasps than the other way round. I don't see what makes them any better myself. People in glass houses and all that.
Nick
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See, your point about people who live in Glass houses.
Hence it gets pointed out if somebody was handing out the shit but then is waving a flag like a hero. I wouldn't give random Joe from down the road shit if he went to watch Wasps, as he wasn't giving me shit for going to watch the team I support play.
Can you see what I mean?
SkyBlueSid
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I don't regard Wasps as relevant at all to most City fans. I don't suppose I'll ever go and watch them although clearly some do. The inescapable fact is that the move to Northampton was a disaster for the club and a major factor in the decline in attendances as many don't bother any more. I don't see how the damage caused by Fisher & co can be undone. It broke a long standing link for many. Even more serious is the lack of interest of the next generation of fans.
The Gentleman
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Nick who are these 'people' that handed out the abuse against those that went to Sixfields but won't have a bad word said about Wasps?
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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I for one did the minute we came back. In fact I and others promised Tim Fisher that when we came back we would not abuse people that went to Sixfields,we told him there was no need to promise because we weren't like that anyway. All I and others that are being slagged off on this forum wanted was our club back in Coventry when that happened that was that. Now when we as supporters should be united some people want to divide us again why I dont know.
Now let me say this Torch I've said to you and others on here on numerous occasions come and have a word with us at a match some have some haven't to the ones that haven't the offer is there. There are people we have met that don't agree with everything that I say or my brother or Steve ,Jan,Moz,CJ etc we dont agree sometimes doesn't mean we dont talk. One thing we do agree on and that is we love CCFC like you do,and CCFC is the important thing hereas far as I'm concerned nothing else everything else is a side show. So you've got one opportunity this season unless you're going to Crawley so the offers there should you wish to take it.
Nick
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3 without searching off my phone are Italia, Steve.b50, bigfatronsba .
It is quite old ground though isn't it, people can say they don't exist as much as they want. Pretty sure they will be a fair few who weren't too polite about people who went to Sixfields but have been to watch Wasps.
Let me get it straight, I have no anger or dislike for these people. Doesn't mean the odd dig or bit of sarcasm doesn't go a miss though to remind them what they used to say. Then again I would still probably buy them a pint if I ever saw them, like I would most people on here. I also wouldn't say they aren't city fans if they want to go and watch Wasps or the other type of crap people used to get on here and other social media.
The Gentleman
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Sorry for questioning but I am curious, what abuse did they give people who went to Sixfields? And yes it is old ground but hasn't stick been dished out on here to some of those that go to Wasps by people that went to Sixfields?
I don't agree with shit being dished out either way and have said so before.
Nick
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I also agree on the other hand if random people (ie Maggie the Rugby lover who is now going to see Wasps) was to get abused just for going. Although I don't understand some people who go off on one about people at Sixfields or ccfc moving to sixfields in one line and then going on about going to watch wasps in the next line.
Another example would be Jan's post where he said anybody who would watch CCFC outside of Coventry / if we had a ground at Bermuda (it was one of those 2 so please dont quote as I cant 100% remember which one) would be selfish, didn't care about the Wasps fans because of their moved but thoroughly enjoyed his day out watching Wasps. There are a couple on Twitter (dont know if they post on here) who are quite hardcore against SISU and them moving us, yet made a comment about come on wasps #blackandgoldblood . You look back through their tweets 2 months and they were saying fuck off wasps, go back a bit further you can see what they thought of Sixfields.
Read through some of the past posts about being selfish, spineless for people that go to Sixfields etc etc.
The Gentleman
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Sorry but won't read twitter as I think it is for people with too much time on their hands, in the same way facespace is. I remember the posts about people going to Sixfields and I also remember some of the abuse they got, in the same way I remember the abuse that the people on the hill got from some on here and some who went into Sixfields. As I said, it's wrong both ways.
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Any of us sat on here aren't really in a position to judge!
The Gentleman
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I haven't posted on here that I'm about to have a grilled cheese sandwich or I've just had a shit. That I've had a great/shit night out and that my dog can say sausages.
I do think that most come on here out of genuine concern for the club and how they see it, to vent or to share their feelings about CCFC and all things relating.
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I hope you washed your hands.
The Gentleman
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Why, are grilled cheese sandwiches that dirty?
Nick
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I agree, I said at the time when somebody said somebody on the hill got abuse for no reason it was wrong. I also made a point of saying fair play to those on the hill when it was freezing cold and blowing with wind.
letsallsingtogether
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Yes it was quite funny how when the fair was there we even got blamed for all the litter.
Grendel
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If you genuinely believe that then it is pointless having any discussion on the issue.
Astute
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And your point is?
This was a thread which started off as a decent debate on a topic that had a good point. It was taken over by the old argument of who was right and wrong on who they went to watch, where and why. And as usual you get on your high horse as to who came out with the bullshit. But can you remind me who it was that said for months they would never go to Northampton as it was their way of protesting who then started going to Northampton? And then this person goes on about morals whilst making out that their own morals are spot on as they have a go at those who have a different view.
I never went to Northampton. I would never had gone to Northampton. But fair play to those that did although it would have been good to have had 0 of us there.
Fair play to those who went on the hill. It was a protest that got noticed.
Then there are those like me who did neither. In other words did fuck all. I should have done more.
How about those who go to Wasps games? I would never go. They shouldn't be in Coventry. But I do go to rugger games. It is a good day out with the lads. All supporters drink together and watch the game together. The banter is good. But it doesn't make me a supporter just because I go to games. It means I enjoy going. I have a good laugh. And so do most that go to rugger games. And to those that don't understand the enjoying rugger days a quick question. Would you say that the most enjoyable football days out that you have had are when you have had the chance to mix with the opposing supporters?
Can we all act like adults now and go back to what the thread was all about? :thinking about:
skybluetony176
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Seeing as you're the ring leader of that group I'm not surprised you don't want to talk about it.
MichaelCCFC
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Another question might be how much do Tim Fisher and Steve Waggott cost and could their roles be done cheaper?
Astute
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And as usual you miss the point by a mile or use something to have a dig and change the subject.
Fisher needs to go. There needs to be trust built up between SISU and us. But now is not the time. What would the use be of replacing Fisher just to have his replacement do the same? What we do need is this debacle of the Ricoh/new stadium sorted in some way. Just tell us the truth. Then show him the door. Have his replacement pick up the pieces. He will not be trusted by the vast majority now. And trust is as important as anything else. Get rid of all of the bad news in one go.
rupert_bear
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The best and only way to drive up season ticket sales is to be honest when it comes to backing of the manager when it comes to recruitment and the early announcement of the long term appointment of Tony Mowbray as manager, I would put May 1st as the latest or even before the Crawley game if we are mathematically safe. Everything should be in place once safety is assured.
shy_tall_knight
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Don't think I will be getting a ST, had 1 since the move to the Ricoh, didn't go to Sixfields but the WASPS factor, the small crowds leading to dreadful atmospheres, becoming less of a social occasion as less family and friends attend, sons don't want to go, home games this season have been miserable.
Off topic went on the hill once and did slag off via this forum those that did attend, as for WASPS won't go, no matter how good a day out it is and I quite like rugby.
Off topic went on the hill once and did slag off via this forum those that did attend, as for WASPS won't go, no matter how good a day out it is and I quite like rugby.
torchomatic
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You must be mistaken as I keep reading that no one was slagged off and was respected for their decision.
shy_tall_knight
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Nobody knew back in August 2013 that the Sixfields move would lead to WASPS getting the stadium on the cheap, without Sixfields WASPs wouldn't have happened. Sixfields in summary was unnecessary, aimed at distressing, no thought or consideration for the fans, turned out to be a short terms medium-term and long-term disaster for the club - one we which we will struggle to overcome, sounds dramatic but that's how I see it - the desire to support the lads was achieved at away games.
MichaelCCFC
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Wasn't it stated at one point that Ranson was on £650k? Some people no doubt believe people like RR, TF, SW etc deserve rich rewards, others may disagree.
Jackoskyblue
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Season ticket details announced when league status is confirmed
torchomatic
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And nobody knew when the rent was pegged at such an unsustainable amount that CCFC would nearly go into administration and be bought by a hedge fund who wanted to reduce the rent so went to Sixfields....And nobody knew when Bryan Richardson started the folly of a new stadium that we would be so broke that we sold our stake to the Council who pegged at such an unsustainable amount that CCFC would nearly go into administration and be bought by a hedge fund who wanted to reduce the rent so went to Sixfields, etc etc
Easy to focus on one disastrous event when it has been a catalogue of disastrous events over the last 20 odd years.
Easy to focus on one disastrous event when it has been a catalogue of disastrous events over the last 20 odd years.
letsallsingtogether
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And nobody else would have moved club away therefore alienating it fan base and loosing some forever.
probably the biggest mistake made by anyone involved in this sorry mess
torchomatic
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I absolutely agree. We shouldn't have moved. However, we reached that point because of the string of events that happened before. That's all I'm saying.
Hobo
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I was listening to Ruck and Maul last night where the interviewed one of the directors at Coventry Rugby. There attendances have been up 20 to 30 per cent most home games this season. This is following on from improved attendances the year before.
He put it down to the club now have a realistic financial plan and is living within its means. But also the club are showing a commitment to moving the club forward, which is reflected by the endeavor and passion shown by the coaching staff and players resulting in improved performances on the pitch coupled with work off the field to provid value for money match days and good after match entertainment. He believed these things put together has rejuvenated Coventry Rugbys fanbase and had them returning in droves.
the lesson here for CCFC is, the whole structure of the club has to show improvement and development. It should not just be a cost cutting exercise, it is about working smarter with your budget.
At a lot of games their prematch hospitality has sold out. That alone accounts for more fans than the average home attendance of League winners Ealing Trailfinders.
As it was TF who moved us to Northampton, the biggest factor in the dramatic fall in our attendances and a seeming failure over a number of years to improve the quality of first team performances; do you not think he is accountable? I hold him accountable for giving Wasps the opportunity to bid for the Ricoh. Getting the club cash flow positive is hardly an achievement anyone can cut wage bills and overheads. Moving the club forward and getting fans back through the gate at the same time as cutting costs would be the mark of smart owners.
shy_tall_knight
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Hard not to focus on Sixfields, a strategic disaster, pre-WASPS there was always the chance of the club getting the Ricoh, now its gone for good along with thousands of fans, the true financial cost of Sixfields pales into insignificance compared to the rent we were being charged. I know its difficult for the small minority of fans that went to Sixfields approximately 15% of our regular fanbase (pre-Sixfields) to admit but their presence provided tacit approval to our owners for making such an outrageous and totally unnecessary move which ultimately backfired.
stupot07
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Budget etc Is based on projected ticket sales, some of which will be based on take up of ST's.
What if us all boycotting ST's means the projected budget is a lot lower than this season's, which in terms means Mowbray will have a lower budget to work with, which in turn puts Mowbray off staying? If he does sign, and we then "wait to see the standard of signings" means there's no money/lower projections meaning we can't sign decent players because we don't have the budget (due to holding back ST money to make them). So by boycotting buying ST's it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy?
And how do we tell whether they are decent signings, we're in league one, they will be lower league or youth players from another club, freebies and loans, we won't know much about any of them. Do we have to wait until 5-6 games into the season to see if they are any good then get a ST?
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What if us all boycotting ST's means the projected budget is a lot lower than this season's, which in terms means Mowbray will have a lower budget to work with, which in turn puts Mowbray off staying? If he does sign, and we then "wait to see the standard of signings" means there's no money/lower projections meaning we can't sign decent players because we don't have the budget (due to holding back ST money to make them). So by boycotting buying ST's it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy?
And how do we tell whether they are decent signings, we're in league one, they will be lower league or youth players from another club, freebies and loans, we won't know much about any of them. Do we have to wait until 5-6 games into the season to see if they are any good then get a ST?
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