SISU, Swansea and CCFC (4 Viewers)
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ccfcway
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fair point, that was a typo.
ccfcway
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cant you just move it ?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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That isn't rent as such, the Liberty stadium is operated by a stadium management company similar to ACL. The management company is jointly owned by Swansea council/Swansea City FC and Ospreys (They paid nothing for there stake in the management company it was handed over to them). Both clubs contribute to stadium maintenance/upgrades, not sure if its a yearly amount or just as and when it is needed (the same as we would be responsible for the maintenance of the Ricoh had we bought ACL and Wasps are now). In terms of rent the council receive a peppercorn rent and 30% of the profits of the management company, as to date the council have been paid nothing in rent I believe.
letsallsingtogether
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No the problem is that the wasps brought up in every thread even this one by the same posters day after day god this site is getting really boring!! Same old shit just another day...............
Fuck me thought GMK was bad.
PUSB
Nick
Administrator
So you weren't investigating to see if rfc was a plant before? It was brought up in this one because somebody says support your team and is a plant / pr machine but an actual one from wasps is fine.
Just goes to show the mindset doesn't it.
Grendel
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No it is not - stop lying
The Gentleman
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So Wasps has only been mentioned in this thread? I'll save you the time Nick, no they haven't and not by a pissing longshot.
So does that go to show the mindset of some?
Nick
Administrator
What are you talking about? I was saying why it was mentioned in this thread?
ccfc1234
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Thank you you to the above responder. This was an honest post and it's a shame some decide to high jack it and use it as an opportunity to be disrespectful and dismissive of SISU. I for one am desperate for success again and an real enough to know SISU will only use self generated cash to run the club. I had hoped to spark debate about how if we all pulled together under what in my opinion would be our best manager in ages (TM) that it could finally be our opportunity to challenge at the right end of the table.
I guess we don't all want the same things? In fact judging by some comments I feel there is lots of self pity about and people who find it all too convenient to site SISU as a reason they don't go to games.
It's sad to say but I think a few on this forum enjoy a moan more than a celebration!! but hey as I get older I realise how full of short sighted inward looking delinquents there are in the world.
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Astute
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Don't worry. We will all be back in three weeks when we find out about the new stadium.
Astute
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Change your name to Grendel the 2nd. Then you can blame CCC for everything and say that you have had a go at SISU countless times although nobody remembers a single one. Then people will blindly do as you say and become a STH again without waiting to see who the manager is going to be and see if SISU keep to their word for once.
bigfatronssba
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Two crucial things here.
1. The club has had decent support in the past, and the product on the pitch was still shite.
2. The club had no involvement with CCC in the past, and the product on the pitch was still shite.
1. The club has had decent support in the past, and the product on the pitch was still shite.
2. The club had no involvement with CCC in the past, and the product on the pitch was still shite.
skybluetony176
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Zzzzzzzzz. Christ Nick. You're getting more boring than intheknow.
Hobo
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This "organic" growth of their loyal fanbase wouldn't have anything to do with going from the 4th tier of English Football to the Premiership in eleven years would it?
also I notice on their board of directors they have a director who represents the supporters...that person has obviously done a good job.
In fact the whole infrastructure of the club is massive.
Perhaps it shows if you run things professionally and invest correctly you get success and surprise surprise the fans turn up and back you.
And by the way, Having been a fan since the sixties I think we have some of the best fans in the country. It is unfortunate that we have a small segment of late who like to criticise when fans don't turn up as not being loyal and when they do they are branded glory hunters. You can't just be a Cov fan these days because someone will want to nominate you for some sub group of fans they have invented.
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Nick
Administrator
Fuck off then before you start copying and pasting a generic reply.
Hilarious How people go mad about somebody suggesting everybody get beyond the team they support. What a wum they must be, support your team, jokers!
stupot07
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Agreed, we see ourselves as a "big" club and would argue the "biggest" name in league one, yet we averaged half what Sheffield United do, and our attendances weren't that much better in our first season in this league. That's disappointing by anyone's book.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
skybluetony176
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Because you're replies are not generic?
Can you go more than a couple of posts at the moment regardless of the topic without mentioning that there's wasp's plant on here and if sisu did the same there would be uproar whether anyone has mentioned wasps or not?
Whatever you think I am you've become the parody of me.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
interesting :thinking about: forgive me if I am a little sceptical about a lot of this. Yes it is a chicken or egg situation to a degree but .....
So success or failure next season comes back to the fans? because CCFC/SISU have done all they can and it is the fans fault if they don't succeed? Really? Not trying to point a finger at the fans but you did exactly that.
I am going to take what you say at face value but to be honest I have heard this implied from some of the decision makers at the club. After what the owners and others have put us through I do find this shift of emphasis on to the fans disingenuous. Another excuse to hide behind. Give the fans something to believe in, give them action not sound bites, give them hope and they will back CCFC. Surely after 7 years they must know that. The only surprise to them should be that so many have remained loyal still. As yet they have given the fans very little. Everything they do seems confused, secretive, driven for reasons outside football and at worst appears inept. Why would people invest their hard earnt cash in that on the hope that something might change?
I know Swansea is flavour of the month but they are quite different in set up because of what they went through and how they solved it by being inclusive of the fans, and yes the partnerships they formed and propagated. They might well run a tight ship at the ground they share but it also included investment in the playing staff to achieve the success. They have a positive football attitude from the top down.
We know we are not loss making?. Do we ? the only factual information indicates losses so far. Now I have always advocated living within our means but that means spending wisely and frankly the money wasted on last years squad shouldn't give anyone confidence that CCFC/SISU are doing a good job. The transfer policy far from cutting costs I would think actually added to losses. I find it a scandal that we bring a player like Wilson through, achieve a decent price for him then squander any chance of success on the dross that was brought in. That wasn't down to the fans. Had it been spent wisely then better results would have followed and better crowds.
In League 1 CCFC has to use a Fisherism an upper quartile average crowd and yet achieved near disaster again. Teams that have poorer average attendances left us in their shadow. Larger crowds must surely equate to better income? (even ignoring the Ricoh limitations on other income). Larger crowds must mean the better income from advertising, sponsorship, merchandise and yet the club have failed to exploit that eager market - think shop, ticket fiascos etc.
I think it is great that they have dropped the ST price but cold economics of it means that drop the price 20% and you need to get 20% more people in just to stand still. That means increasing average crowds from just over 9k to 11k (and probably without a 28k crowd against Gillingham) That isn't really a function of price it is a function a success on the pitch which in part is achieved by the gamble of a small amount of funds at L1 level. It puzzles me that the opportunity to bring fans back in to the fold was when we came back to the Ricoh. If the fans were so important why not discount prices then? Why not market things then? Equally to increase matchday income by a net £1m requires an increase of over 4000 fans per game
CCFC has never been the best supported team in any division that the club has been in but despite all the off field antics still had one of the best average gates in L1 last season. That is the market CCFC are competing in ... L1. Despite being disconnected from the team by the owners on many levels they still turn up and part with their money, and would part with more in many cases if the opportunities were there. Yet what have they had season after season in return? Make them believe, make them want to give up the alternatives they have found, give them hope not a couple of results then more failure.
I will be happy if TM comes in as manager but lets be clear he is only part of a solution that will give fans some belief and even the best managers have dodgy runs of results. I worry about the expectation being placed on him. Will he get the backing? He says there are no extra funds so what will be sacrificed?
Can we emulate Swansea ....... got to be honest there is going to have to be major changes, a lot of luck and additional finance over and above that from the fans to get even half their success. Yes I could see us promoted from L1 but after that I can see a glass ceiling to the ability to succeed that even with crowds at 30K will require solving.
Sorry to be so negative but the OP came over to me as a club PR on season tickets and more importantly I think it is unfair to imply the owners are doing all they can so any success or failure is down to the fans
So success or failure next season comes back to the fans? because CCFC/SISU have done all they can and it is the fans fault if they don't succeed? Really? Not trying to point a finger at the fans but you did exactly that.
I am going to take what you say at face value but to be honest I have heard this implied from some of the decision makers at the club. After what the owners and others have put us through I do find this shift of emphasis on to the fans disingenuous. Another excuse to hide behind. Give the fans something to believe in, give them action not sound bites, give them hope and they will back CCFC. Surely after 7 years they must know that. The only surprise to them should be that so many have remained loyal still. As yet they have given the fans very little. Everything they do seems confused, secretive, driven for reasons outside football and at worst appears inept. Why would people invest their hard earnt cash in that on the hope that something might change?
I know Swansea is flavour of the month but they are quite different in set up because of what they went through and how they solved it by being inclusive of the fans, and yes the partnerships they formed and propagated. They might well run a tight ship at the ground they share but it also included investment in the playing staff to achieve the success. They have a positive football attitude from the top down.
We know we are not loss making?. Do we ? the only factual information indicates losses so far. Now I have always advocated living within our means but that means spending wisely and frankly the money wasted on last years squad shouldn't give anyone confidence that CCFC/SISU are doing a good job. The transfer policy far from cutting costs I would think actually added to losses. I find it a scandal that we bring a player like Wilson through, achieve a decent price for him then squander any chance of success on the dross that was brought in. That wasn't down to the fans. Had it been spent wisely then better results would have followed and better crowds.
In League 1 CCFC has to use a Fisherism an upper quartile average crowd and yet achieved near disaster again. Teams that have poorer average attendances left us in their shadow. Larger crowds must surely equate to better income? (even ignoring the Ricoh limitations on other income). Larger crowds must mean the better income from advertising, sponsorship, merchandise and yet the club have failed to exploit that eager market - think shop, ticket fiascos etc.
I think it is great that they have dropped the ST price but cold economics of it means that drop the price 20% and you need to get 20% more people in just to stand still. That means increasing average crowds from just over 9k to 11k (and probably without a 28k crowd against Gillingham) That isn't really a function of price it is a function a success on the pitch which in part is achieved by the gamble of a small amount of funds at L1 level. It puzzles me that the opportunity to bring fans back in to the fold was when we came back to the Ricoh. If the fans were so important why not discount prices then? Why not market things then? Equally to increase matchday income by a net £1m requires an increase of over 4000 fans per game
CCFC has never been the best supported team in any division that the club has been in but despite all the off field antics still had one of the best average gates in L1 last season. That is the market CCFC are competing in ... L1. Despite being disconnected from the team by the owners on many levels they still turn up and part with their money, and would part with more in many cases if the opportunities were there. Yet what have they had season after season in return? Make them believe, make them want to give up the alternatives they have found, give them hope not a couple of results then more failure.
I will be happy if TM comes in as manager but lets be clear he is only part of a solution that will give fans some belief and even the best managers have dodgy runs of results. I worry about the expectation being placed on him. Will he get the backing? He says there are no extra funds so what will be sacrificed?
Can we emulate Swansea ....... got to be honest there is going to have to be major changes, a lot of luck and additional finance over and above that from the fans to get even half their success. Yes I could see us promoted from L1 but after that I can see a glass ceiling to the ability to succeed that even with crowds at 30K will require solving.
Sorry to be so negative but the OP came over to me as a club PR on season tickets and more importantly I think it is unfair to imply the owners are doing all they can so any success or failure is down to the fans
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chiefdave
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There's an interesting point buried in there. As bad as things have been under SISU we need to remember the downward spiral has not been solely under SISU's management. During this extended downward period we have had god knows how many managers, numerous complete overhauls of the squad, several owners, several chairman / chief execs etc, different board members, 3 different home grounds.
So where does the problem lie? I would hate to think it was the fans. There has been talk from within the club that the negative atmosphere at home games has an impact on the players but how much of an impact? And of course it can't be inspiring to play in front of a stadium less than a third full. Of course the other side of that argument is everytime we have a big crowd we lose!
So where does the problem lie? I would hate to think it was the fans. There has been talk from within the club that the negative atmosphere at home games has an impact on the players but how much of an impact? And of course it can't be inspiring to play in front of a stadium less than a third full. Of course the other side of that argument is everytime we have a big crowd we lose!
Nick
Administrator
It isn't generic, somebody was talking about plants and accusing other people. I didn't just randomly say it. Some of the posts in here proved my point that it would be a different story if it was pro CCFC compared to pro Wasps. What are people thinking suggesting getting behind CCFC on a CCFC forum, disgusting.
The parody of you? Better not let me sit near a window then saying catch phrases over and over again.
Hobo
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yep, agree the spiral has been going for sometime before SISU. But as I keep saying only the current owners of a football club can turn it round. You have to look to the future and deal with the present. The past only offers reasons not solutions.
Regarding the atmosphere at home games, I think the negative attitude of the players often has an impact on the atmosphere. It is up to them to get the crowd on their side, it is the nature of the job and applies to every club in the country. I have been at Anfield, Old Trafford and Bramall Lane and witnessed dull atmospheres.....because what was happening on the pitch was poor. Our fans respond like any fans when they have something to be excited about and often they are better than most fans. I have seen Liverpool fans sit down in disbelief having just celebrated their fifth goal against us..why? Because Coventry fans were still giving an unbroken rendition of Sky Blue Army and the Football League is upside down. And ground staff at Hillsborough after our semi final against Leeds said Coventry fans were the most vocal fans they had ever seen in the ground (having regularly hosted Semi Finals).
i am sick of some of our fans knocking our fans.
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skybluetony176
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You do realise you're often repeated catchphrase line has become a catchphrase? I've put a seat out at the next window for you.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
Yes there is the history and I don't think you can ignore that. However back in 2008 there was a line drawn under a lot of it. No the Ricoh problem was not solved but a lot of debt disappeared at that point in reality if not on the financials produced. Seven years is a long time to turn any business around. I think from the known starting point they took over you have to conclude that the management decisions taken have affected the fans far more than the fans (or lack of them) affecting the club
At last a whole bundle of common sense !! As I've said before people chucking money now at these sharks right now are possibly doing more harm than good. Folk should put pressure on the cretins to get some chance of progression in place and then sell it to the fans, not take a wad of cash again and then make a tonne of excuses about their perennial failures. They must love some of the idiots on here forever trying to palm the blame off on the fans, the council, Wasps rugby, the football league etc etc. There is only one outfit who could have delivered success to this club and bought the stadium that was built for them and they blew it by employing duff managers, cutting costs to the bone and pissing off the local authorities !
Nick
Administrator
It isn't really a catch phrase is it, because you do often have a word of the day and keep repeating it as much as possible like a kid. If I was totally making it up and not just pointing it out you may have a point.
skybluetony176
Well-Known Member
See. You're saying catchphrase again. I've put a cushion on your seat for you. Do you want a cup of tea?
Nick
Administrator
I thought I was being like you now? In which case I don't need a drink so I can get all my needs from licking the window as it's raining.
Nick
Administrator
Nah, I'd be inside for domestic violence.