Other income streams (14 Viewers)

[Grendel]

Because they didn't have as many fans attending down there.

So fans stay in the hotels and conference facilities do they? It's not about business diversification? The hotel has more rooms than fans attended at Wycombe - are you sure?

 

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[italiahorse]

Because they didn't have as many fans attending down there.

How on earth did they know the Wasps fan base was in this area ?

 

[bigfatronssba]

Because there is larger support here, so it's ok when ccfc move somewhere to get more supporters

A) Where have I said it's ok?
B) Where can Ccfc move to where there will get more fans?
C) Isn't it the admins job to keep threads on topic?

 

[oldskyblue58]

Isnt the OP about CCFC income streams not Wasps?

The superstore is relevant though isn't it because it opened when CCFC were in Northampton 35 miles away and you would assume that its turnover counted in any SCMP calculation at that time.

So if there was another venture that was suitably branded by the club or used for club events you would have to assume that turnover would also be included in the calculation. It would seem to me that it is a question of whether OEG trading as CCFC takes ownership/branding of those income streams directly or not

 

[bigfatronssba]

Greater potential and more support? 80 miles from its historical base?

I'd suggest the reason they came is because CCC bent over with their pants down and practically begged them to take it at a steal because it was anyone but SISU.

That aside, to answer your question - it's simple. The club would make the most of commercial activity when it is in full control of it. A stadium wherever would be under the clubs control and it would benefit directly from whatever the commercial arrangements were... Which is Wasps modus operandi really isn't it.

Can't be bothered getting into Wasps talk with you, I'm a ccfc fan.

Your talking in Fisherisms. There are 2 forms of income. Matchday & non matchday.

Matchday income is likely to be no significantly better at a new ground.

So the question is about non matchday incomes. Now why would an exhibition hall for instance make more money in Rugby than in Rowleys Green?

 

[bigfatronssba]

So fans stay in the hotels and conference facilities do they? It's not about business diversification? The hotel has more rooms than fans attended at Wycombe - are you sure?

No fans buy tickets. One of the biggest contributors to a clubs income.

 

[stupot07]

Isnt the OP about CCFC income streams not Wasps?

The superstore is relevant though isn't it because it opened when CCFC were in Northampton 35 miles away and you would assume that its turnover counted in any SCMP calculation at that time.

So if there was another venture that was suitably branded by the club or used for club events you would have to assume that turnover would also be included in the calculation. It would seem to me that it is a question of whether OEG trading as CCFC takes ownership/branding of those income streams directly or not

Very true OSB. Seems another odd thread, we know full well we need access to 100% matchday revenues as well as other 365 day per annum revenues at some point. But then again when it comes to fans, money in football is just like Monopoly money, to be thrown around with little regard.


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[Ian1779]

Can't be bothered getting into Wasps talk with you, I'm a ccfc fan.

Your talking in Fisherisms. There are 2 forms of income. Matchday & non matchday.

Matchday income at a new ground is likely to be no significantly better at a new ground.

So the question is about non matchday incomes. Now why would an exhibition hall for instance make more money in Rugby than in Rowleys Green?

We don't own the current ground remember... So it's difference between us getting it and the current owners getting it.

And as for the smarmy Wasps comment... I'm a CCFC fan too, and unlike you I can see the damage that their presence will have on us long term.

 

[Ian1779]

Very true OSB. Seems another odd thread, we know full well we need access to 100% matchday revenues as well as other 365 day per annum revenues at some point. But then again when it comes to fans, money in football is just like Monopoly money, to be thrown around with little regard.


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It seems that everyone else is allowed to access this 365 income apart from CCFC.... It makes no sense to me.

 

[italiahorse]

Very true OSB. Seems another odd thread, we know full well we need access to 100% matchday revenues as well as other 365 day per revenues at some point.
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Surely we can't expect these incomes without buying into the facilities that generate them.
The OP is correct that the investment in a stadium to generate the incomes comes with all the overheads of running one.
It may not be the most cost effective way of generating a contributing income and we need to look at other incomes as well as a bigger percentage of incomes we generate for Wasps on matchdays.

 

[bigfatronssba]

We don't own the current ground remember... So it's difference between us getting it and the current owners getting it.

And as for the smarmy Wasps comment... I'm a CCFC fan too, and unlike you I can see the damage that their presence will have on us long term.

Firstly I was in no way questioning your loyalty as a ccfc fan, so I apologise if it come across as that. It's just frustrating when you get accused of condoning franchising for just pointing out Wasps reasons for being here.

As for owning the ground, we don't need to own it to get matchday income. In fact we get quite a bit of it already.

 

[stupot07]

Surely we can't expect these incomes without buying into the facilities that generate them.
The OP is correct that the investment in a stadium to generate the incomes comes with all the overheads of running one.
It may not be the most cost effective way of generating a contributing income and we need to look at other incomes as well as a bigger percentage of incomes we generate for Wasps on matchdays.

Never said we should expect access to the incomes, but long term we need access to everything we make on matchday and 365 day income, and that's why there will come a point when we have to move away from the Ricoh.

No point having the debate again, we all know your position on this,


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[Grendel]

Surely we can't expect these incomes without buying into the facilities that generate them.
The OP is correct that the investment in a stadium to generate the incomes comes with all the overheads of running one.
It may not be the most cost effective way of generating a contributing income and we need to look at other incomes as well as a bigger percentage of incomes we generate for Wasps on matchdays.

Name any football club that has managed a top 10 championship position with no 365 day revenue access

Just one

 

[italiahorse]

Never said we should expect access to the incomes, but long term we need access to everything we make on matchday and 365 day income, and that's why there will come a point when we have to move away from the Ricoh.

No point having the debate again, we all know your position on this,


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I still need to be convinced that spending and maintaining a £35M stadium away from populated areas will generate enough incomes.
I have seen nothing yet.

 

[Nick]

I still need to be convinced that spending and maintaining a £35M stadium away from populated areas will generate enough incomes.
I have seen nothing yet.

Incomes for who?

 

[Grendel]

I still need to be convinced that spending and maintaining a £35M stadium away from populated areas will generate enough incomes.
I have seen nothing yet.

So how do you know it will cost £35 million and will be away from populated areas?

Made up trash as always?

 

[stupot07]

I still need to be convinced that spending and maintaining a £35M stadium away from populated areas will generate enough incomes.
I have seen nothing yet.

We haven't seen a business case yet. I'm just keeping an open mind until I see one. But I maintain, that regardless of our owners (sisu, Russian billionaire, etc), we have no long term future (10, 15, 20 years time) at the Ricoh now, unless wasps fail, which looks very unlikely.

I'm ducking out as we've done this to death over the last couple of weeks. I'd rather bask in TM signing and getting poor players off our wage bill.

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[italiahorse]

Name any football club that has managed a top 10 championship position with no 365 day revenue access

Just one

365 day incomes applies to everyone surely ?
We get 365 day incomes from our club shop so surely it's a matter of degree.
Some clubs have very little facilities other than the ground.

Anyway we are not arguing that we don't need them we are discussing how we can maximise our incomes considering we don't own, or have the expense of, our own ground.

 

[Grendel]

365 day incomes applies to everyone surely ?
We get 365 day incomes from our club shop so surely it's a matter of degree.
Some clubs have very little facilities other than the ground.

Anyway we are not arguing that we don't need them we are discussing how we can maximise our incomes considering we don't own, or have the expense of, our own ground.

But every successful club owns the ground or has primary tenancy - name a successful one that doesn't.

 

[ccfc92]

But every successful club owns the ground or has primary tenancy - name a successful one that doesn't.

Is there any point getting promoted this season? As was discussed the other night, we would get relegated the following season. We should aim to tread water in league one?

 

[skybluetony176]

I wonder how much of the non match day revenue at your average football ground actually goes into the team and how much goes into maintaining the ground?

Would we actually be better of renting the Ricoh on a match day basis and then building a sky blue themed hotel/superstore/tavern/restaurant/casino/nightclub etc. next-door? It would be a complex that could be used and generate income 24-7 365days a year and wouldn't incorporate the expensive upkeep of a stadium bowl that doesn't operate 24-7 365 days a year.

 

[Grendel]

Is there any point getting promoted this season? As was discussed the other night, we would get relegated the following season. We should aim to tread water in league one?

No we have a chance of finishing 4th or 5th bottom and just hanging on.

Then these owners or new ones could look seriously at getting out.

If the CRFC ground held 14,000 or so there would every argument for ground sharing with them until development was happening or indeed extending that ground.

Mowbray has already acknowledged the Ricoh isn't a long term answer hasn't he?

 

[skybluebeduff]

So no reason at all then why they couldn't construct something on the land across the railway line.

Convert and expand the Jaguar exhibition hall to be our new stadium, problem sorted!!

 

[Grendel]

I wonder how much of the non match day revenue at your average football ground actually goes into the team and how much goes into maintaining the ground?

Would we actually be better of renting the Ricoh on a match day basis and then building a sky blue themed hotel/superstore/tavern/restaurant/casino/nightclub etc. next-door? It would be a complex that could be used and generate income 24-7 365days a year and wouldn't incorporate the expensive upkeep of a stadium bowl that doesn't operate 24-7 365 days a year.

Where would that be built then?

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

Crikey, i never expected such a response, it was just curiosity on my part really.

For the record I'm certainly not against us having our own stadium (or a share in the Ricoh), just wondered whether income could be generated from other sources.

 

[bigfatronssba]

But every successful club owns the ground or has primary tenancy - name a successful one that doesn't.

London Irish

 

[Grendel]

London Irish

Nope as already stated i am talking football and top 10 championship foorball as the benchmark.

 

[Moff]

You still haven't explained how commercial activity in Rugby will make money but commercial activity in Rowleys Green won't.

Do we own land in Rowleys Green then? or is it privately owned by CCC?
How can we build on it if we dont own it?
How can we make the owners sell it?
What would you suggest we build?
Will it get plannning permission?

Seeing as you like asking questions, why dont you answer some for once.

 

[ccfc92]

No we have a chance of finishing 4th or 5th bottom and just hanging on.

Then these owners or new ones could look seriously at getting out.

If the CRFC ground held 14,000 or so there would every argument for ground sharing with them until development was happening or indeed extending that ground.

Mowbray has already acknowledged the Ricoh isn't a long term answer hasn't he?

I think it's the situation he said isn't the answer. The Rugby ground is a good call, depending on the cost of rent, and what returns we will get.

I do believe a ground within Coventry is the number one option. A ground 10 miles or so from the city centre, I don't believe will give us this competitive revenue.

 

[Moff]

But every successful club owns the ground or has primary tenancy - name a successful one that doesn't.

London Irish

He said Successfull. How are London Irish successfull?

 

[bigfatronssba]

He said Successfull. How are London Irish successfull?

Top 10 premiership side.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Nope as already stated i am talking football and top 10 championship foorball as the benchmark.

Can we stop comparing Wasps moving to ccfc then please?

 

[skybluetony176]

Where would that be built then?

Well there's land across the other side of the railway line, not sure if the old working man's club the other side of the A444 is still available and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the industrial state earmarked for redevelopment from the offset of arena 2000 so that's long overdue. In fact wasn't there a whisper last year that the whole estate was on borrowed time and compulsory purchase was immanent?

The industrial estate would be most suited I would think.

 

[Moff]

Top 10 premiership side.

Thats not success in a league of 12, when you need to be in the top 4 to qualify for the play offs or top six for top European Rugby.

They let their best players leave, they have a limited budget, struggle year on year and win nothing. Is that the sort of success you aspire too?

 

[stupot07]

Top 10 premiership side.

In a league of 12 where one gets relegated.....


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