City fans thoughts on cheap season ticket prices! (4 Viewers)

[Grendel]

I don't think you do understand my point because I was explaining why it changes when we get Chelsea.

Lets say you enjoy going to the cinema but the local cinema is £15 a ticket, only has one screen and the owner has a different taste in movies to you, the floors are sticky, the seats are uncomfortable, the popcorn is overpriced and there is often kids talking over the movie so when they are showing pitch perfect 2 you don't go, when they are showing the new starwars movie that is getting reviews better than the original trilogy suddenly all the crap that makes the cinema unappealing is outweighed by your desire to see the movie, you have a fantastic time but when they are showing Valentines day 2 well you aren't going back.

Yes we are all CCFC supporters thats my point, sarcy comments or worse directed at those who at the current time arn't enjoying going to the football but would be tempted by a premiership game isn't helpful and just increases the wedge that has formed between us all.

Dire analogy trying to compare a physical infrastructure to something that has emotional appeal.

There are clear definitions of supporters. There are those that will go come what may. For them them the appeal of the club transcends any negativity or perceived lack of entertainment. They will always attend.

People here are arguing the bond has been broken by a move away for a year. That does not really stack up though does it as really people do not want to go as the team is struggling in a poor league. Most acknowledge that they would though if a big team turns up. So the bond is stitched again for a day and then is broken again.

CCFC supporters do have an unfortunate habit of super gluing themselves to their favourite armchair on a Saturday afternoon and not attending. This is an historic problem.

There have been many threads on here with supporters bleating about the pricing. Well, now the club have acted and still the negativity is there in spades. People can't have it both ways. Don't attend fine but then don't bleat about lack of investment on the pitch.

 

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[LB87ccfc]

Dire analogy trying to compare a physical infrastructure to something that has emotional appeal.

There are clear definitions of supporters. There are those that will go come what may. For them them the appeal of the club transcends any negativity or perceived lack of entertainment. They will always attend.

People here are arguing the bond has been broken by a move away for a year. That does not really stack up though does it as really people do not want to go as the team is struggling in a poor league. Most acknowledge that they would though if a big team turns up. So the bond is stitched again for a day and then is broken again.

CCFC supporters do have an unfortunate habit of super gluing themselves to their favourite armchair on a Saturday afternoon and not attending. This is an historic problem.

There have been many threads on here with supporters bleating about the pricing. Well, now the club have acted and still the negativity is there in spades. People can't have it both ways. Don't attend fine but then don't bleat about lack of investment on the pitch.

Spot on with the end quote, their will always be a real lack of investment in the playing squad if the crowds are not turning up, we now have a manager more than capable in this division, hopefully he will be able to bring in 5-6 experienced heads to help us challenge at the right end and bring the crowds back.

 

[SkyBlueM]

When all is said and done it is results that will bring people back which will be helped if the football on show is attractive to watch but it is results that count. If we are in and around the top six for most of the season then attendances will rise. That said i think the season tickets are well priced and the signing of TM a sound move, if I could make more than the 10 or so games that I can these days I would probably get a season ticket for the first time in a six years. I do understand the reluctance of many to renew/start up again as there have been many false dawns and continual drift downwards, set against all the ownership/ground bollocks which is soul destroying. But you never know maybe next season is going to be the season where things start looking up. PUSB

 

[Grendel]

The season tickets are at a good price in my opinion mind you I would have got one anyway.
On the other points Northampton had a great influence on people not going now. One of the reasons I went on the hill was to keep some sort of connection with the club. Over the years I've seen my friends who had been regulars for years not go for whatever reason and then never go back found other thins to do.

The actual average drop in attendance was 1,600 last season to the season before last. That is a 16% decline which is lower than the 11/12 vs 12/13 season.

 

[Noggin]

Dire analogy trying to compare a physical infrastructure to something that has emotional appeal.

The Analogy was perfect for what I wanted it for. I wasn't trying to compare going to watch the football to going to the cinema I was trying to explain how when you arn't going due to many negative things something that is very positive can override that, it doesn't seem complex to me. I'd already explained it in footballing terms and it wasn't enough.

There are clear definitions of supporters. There are those that will go come what may. For them them the appeal of the club transcends any negativity or perceived lack of entertainment. They will always attend.

Other than "they will always attend" I completely agree and have said as such though as per usual with you there is no interest in what people are actually saying, only what you can manipulate to argue with. Many of these people though have had their loyalty pushed to far and now no longer fall into that category, getting them back to this is difficult to achieve and will take a long time.

People here are arguing the bond has been broken by a move away for a year. That does not really stack up though does it as really people do not want to go as the team is struggling in a poor league. Most acknowledge that they would though if a big team turns up. So the bond is stitched again for a day and then is broken again.

This is such a silly point, the bond has been broken and these people are no longer amongst the go whatever group, a big exciting game doesn't restitch the bond, it just makes it appealing to the go when it appeals crowd that they are now part of.

CCFC supporters do have an unfortunate habit of super gluing themselves to their favourite armchair on a Saturday afternoon and not attending. This is an historic problem.

ccfc supporters arn't some unique snowflake group, we act like any other group of fans would if they had experienced the same prior 30 years or so.

There have been many threads on here with supporters bleating about the pricing. Well, now the club have acted and still the negativity is there in spades. People can't have it both ways. Don't attend fine but then don't bleat about lack of investment on the pitch.

There has been almost universal praise about the reduction in ticket pricing, anyone who has critised the reduction on ticket pricing are either on the windup or are so blinded by their bitterness that their opinions are worthless, we havnt seen anyone criticise it here as far as I'm aware, it completely understandably isn't enough to make many want to go back though. Cost has never been the issue for me as I'm fortunate enough not to have to worry about £20 a week.

 

[Grendel]

The Analogy was perfect for what I wanted it for. I wasn't trying to compare going to watch the football to going to the cinema I was trying to explain how when you arn't going due to many negative things something that is very positive can override that, it doesn't seem complex to me.

The analogy is absurd as you are equating the appeal of a film as a substitute for an opposition team and the decaying infrastructure for CCFC. CFC fans love a big day out. So where Chelsea are Star Wars then Crewe are Carry On Up The Jungle. Problem is if Carry On Up The Jungle offered the opportunity of going to a movie premier then its sold out again. People support clubs through emotional ties.

This is such a silly point, the bond has been broken and these people are no longer amongst the go whatever group, a big exciting game doesn't restitch the bond, it just makes it appealing to the go when it appeals crowd that they are now part of.

The stats prove you are wrong. The percentage decline is less than the prior two seasons at the Ricoh -- its just usual apathy and disinterest - no great bond breaking

 

[Noggin]

The analogy is absurd as you are equating the appeal of a film as a substitute for an opposition team and the decaying infrastructure for CCFC. CFC fans love a big day out. So where Chelsea are Star Wars then Crewe are Carry On Up The Jungle. Problem is if Carry On Up The Jungle offered the opportunity of going to a movie premier then its sold out again. People support clubs through emotional ties.

Again, I'm not trying to equate anything and I already know and have posted multiple times in this thread about peoples emotional ties with the club. I'd carry on explaining but there is no point, you have no interest in an actual discussion.

The stats prove you are wrong. The percentage decline is less than the prior two seasons at the Ricoh -- its just usual apathy and disinterest - no great bond breaking

No they don't, there is no recorded stat showing the number of people who belong to the hardcore go whatever the sitation is group, I'd bet my house that the number is lower though that it was a couple of seasons before not that it can ever be proved. If we had sold out every game last season it still wouldn't have proven me wrong.

 

[italiahorse]

I think a lot of kids are loosing the bond to CCFC if they ever got it since Sixfields.

 

[Grendel]

Again, I'm not trying to equate anything and I already know and have posted multiple times in this thread about peoples emotional ties with the club. I'd carry on explaining but there is no point, you have no interest in an actual discussion.



No they don't, there is no recorded stat showing the number of people who belong to the hardcore go whatever the sitation is group, I'd bet my house that the number is lower though that it was a couple of seasons before not that it can ever be proved. If we had sold out every game last season it still wouldn't have proven me wrong.

I do have interest in a discussion. You have made an assertion have you not that the clubs move to Northampton significantly weakened the hard core fan base.


There is zero evidence at all to support this argument. The clubs attendances have been declining at a percentage similar to the decline last season from the prior season at the Ricoh. That to me is a discussion backed with statistical evidence to support my argument.

Your emotive "house betting" tub thumping rhetoric with zero statistical evidence suggests it's you who lacks capacity for adult discussion.

 

[italiahorse]

I do have interest in a discussion. You have made an assertion have you not that the clubs move to Northampton significantly weakened the hard core fan base.


There is zero evidence at all to support this argument. The clubs attendances have been declining at a percentage similar to the decline last season from the prior season at the Ricoh. That to me is a discussion backed with statistical evidence to support my argument.

Your emotive "house betting" tub thumping rhetoric with zero statistical evidence suggests it's you who lacks capacity for adult discussion.

Why will our attendances improve in the championship if it's not all about product?
Whatever people say there is more draw for better teams.

 

[Grendel]

Why will our attendances improve in the championship if it's not all about product?
Whatever people say there is more draw for better teams.

One significant factor actually is a significant increase in away support.

 

[italiahorse]

One significant factor actually is a significant increase in away support.

Agree, but there will always be a draw from home supporters to watch a team like Sheffield United rather than Fleetwood.
In some respect the prospect of being there for a big scalp is more of a draw for occasional fans.

For me the draw at the moment is the whole pre post match experience, the match seems an anti climax.
Probably why I prefer to go away.

 

[Ashdown]

Agree, but there will always be a draw from home supporters to watch a team like Sheffield United rather than Fleetwood.
In some respect the prospect of being there for a big scalp is more of a draw for occasional fans.

For me the draw at the moment is the whole pre post match experience, the match seems an anti climax.
Probably why I prefer to go away.

I'm looking forward to the rail stop, it will add a whole new dimension to my experience.

 

[Covkid1968#]

Im fairly lazy when I havent got a huge incentive. Im mildly interested in a season ticket once again after 3 years without one. So given this laziness can anyone who has investigated such things tell me what is the total ST cost for one adult and a 6 year old who Im happy to join the Junior Sky Blue club (or whatever its called)

Thanks peeps - and sorry for the laziness

CK1968

 

[Kingokings204]

I don't think anyone can moan at the prices as its a fair competitive price.

That's only the issue for half the fans. To be honest if we were competing at the top of the league and had the basis of a good team etc then I would quite happily pay 100 quid more than it is.

So yes while the price is an issue for some it's not an issue now. The owners and team direction is the issue for some that's all.

Signing up tony mowbray and hope fully some big name signings especially up front with 2 20 goal strikers will get bums on seats trust me.

Remember the first half of last season the football was dire and I wouldn't pay £1 to watch it. When we had Clarke and Wilson quite happy to £30 a ticket.

Hope this post makes some sort of sense.

P.s I've also not understood people moaning about price of football especially in the premier league when arsenal and well all the top teams charge a fortune well not being funny but they sell out every game so where is the argument yes I think the price is a rip off but they sell out every game so how can you argue?

 

[Noggin]

The clubs attendances have been declining at a percentage similar to the decline last season from the prior season at the Ricoh. That to me is a discussion backed with statistical evidence to support my argument.

It doesn't support your argument at all. What else is there to say the numbers simply can't be used to demonstrate what you are trying to demonstrate.

 

[EastLancsCov]

I don't think you do understand my point because I was explaining why it changes when we get Chelsea.

Lets say you enjoy going to the cinema but the local cinema is £15 a ticket, only has one screen and the owner has a different taste in movies to you, the floors are sticky, the seats are uncomfortable, the popcorn is overpriced and there is often kids talking over the movie so when they are showing pitch perfect 2 you don't go, when they are showing the new starwars movie that is getting reviews better than the original trilogy suddenly all the crap that makes the cinema unappealing is outweighed by your desire to see the movie, you have a fantastic time but when they are showing Valentines day 2 well you aren't going back.

Yes we are all CCFC supporters thats my point, sarcy comments or worse directed at those who at the current time arn't enjoying going to the football but would be tempted by a premiership game isn't helpful and just increases the wedge that has formed between us all.

Absolutely spot on.

 

[Grendel]

It doesn't support your argument at all. What else is there to say the numbers simply can't be used to demonstrate what you are trying to demonstrate.

And you have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate an argument at all other than supposition, guesswork and rhetoric.

 

[Noggin]

And you have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate an argument at all other than supposition, guesswork and rhetoric.

Neither of us can prove what the state of the hardcore Coventry city support is though I certainly believe the falling crowds, away crowds, season ticket numbers and the anecdotal evidence of people saying they have fallen out of love suggest I'm right and you have no evidence at all to suggest the the hardcore crowd hasn't fallen due to what has happened over the last few years.

but anyway I'm not sure what has gotten your panties in such a bunch, you are the one trying to prove me wrong not the other way around. My comment was perfectly reasonable and you got all mardy about it and insisted I was wrong because (and my mind boggles at you thinking this supports you) that the attendance only dropped by 16% which was similar to a prior drop. I'd suggest you read though the thread and find what I said that means I need to prove anything

 

[Esoterica]

And you have no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate an argument at all other than supposition, guesswork and rhetoric.

Come on Grendel, give it a rest man! It's a football forum, not a court of law. What harm is a a bit of supposition on a thread of this type anyway? It's no reason to derail it by dragging it into another one of your personal one-upmanship crusades. In fact they ought to give you a special line under your avatar for 'Threads Derailed:X'

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Dire analogy trying to compare a physical infrastructure to something that has emotional appeal.

There are clear definitions of supporters. There are those that will go come what may. For them them the appeal of the club transcends any negativity or perceived lack of entertainment. They will always attend.

People here are arguing the bond has been broken by a move away for a year. That does not really stack up though does it as really people do not want to go as the team is struggling in a poor league. Most acknowledge that they would though if a big team turns up. So the bond is stitched again for a day and then is broken again.

CCFC supporters do have an unfortunate habit of super gluing themselves to their favourite armchair on a Saturday afternoon and not attending. This is an historic problem.

There have been many threads on here with supporters bleating about the pricing. Well, now the club have acted and still the negativity is there in spades. People can't have it both ways. Don't attend fine but then don't bleat about lack of investment on the pitch.

You're right,I look forward to seeing you attend JPT games next season then,then again perhaps not.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

So the committed loyalty will come back when there is success? Ironic

The real loyalty of the past is for many broken now...the potential loyalty for the future must be built in forthcoming generations. The list loyalty will only really return under new & credible ownership.

PUSB

 

[Grendel]

Come on Grendel, give it a rest man! It's a football forum, not a court of law. What harm is a a bit of supposition on a thread of this type anyway? It's no reason to derail it by dragging it into another one of your personal one-upmanship crusades. In fact they ought to give you a special line under your avatar for 'Threads Derailed:X'

The "harm" is the patronising way this poster attempts to take the superior high ground in a debate, when in fact the argument is made of straw.

It deserved to be blown down.

 

[Grendel]

You're right,I look forward to seeing you attend JPT games next season then,then again perhaps not.

No I don't rate those games as worth the effort - unless its a regional final of course

 

[Astute]

No I don't rate those games as worth the effort - unless its a regional final of course

You don't do away games. I even offered to travel down to take you to one several times. You don't do the cheap JPT games as they are not worth your time. What you like to do though is constantly have a go at those that have stopped going to games :thinking about:

 

[Astute]

The "harm" is the patronising way this poster attempts to take the superior high ground in a debate, when in fact the argument is made of straw.

It deserved to be blown down.

And you see yourself as the big bad wolf :claping hands:

 

[skybluetony176]

The "harm" is the patronising way this poster attempts to take the superior high ground in a debate, when in fact the argument is made of straw.

It deserved to be blown down.

You certainly huff and puff.

 

[skybluetony176]

No I don't rate those games as worth the effort - unless its a regional final of course

Probably the two home games I enjoyed the most last season. Your loss.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

No I don't rate those games as worth the effort - unless its a regional final of course

So basically no difference between you and somebody who doesn't rate third division games but would go if we were playing Chelsea in the cup.

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

So basically no difference between you and somebody who doesn't rate third division games but would go if we were playing Chelsea in the cup.

Done him like a kipper :0)

 

[fernandopartridge]

Done him like a kipper :0)

Do you ever cringe at your own signature on this forum?

 

[Grendel]

So basically no difference between you and somebody who doesn't rate third division games but would go if we were playing Chelsea in the cup.

A world of difference. I contribute season ticket revenue to the club - the JPT attendee contributes £2.50 - a truly absurd statement.

 

[Grendel]

Done him like a kipper :0)

Nope a stupid analogy - I can see why you like it. In an interview once Gary Pendrey admitted to reading only 2 books in his adult life - a couple of westerns - your intellectual plane is well suited to your choice of idol.

 

[Otis]

Nope a stupid analogy - I can see why you like it. In an interview once Gary Pendrey admitted to reading only 2 books in his adult life - a couple of westerns - your intellectual plane is well suited to your choice of idol.

To be fair to him, I am guessing that he has no affinity to or adulation towards Gary Pendry, but has in fact chosen the name based on the famous Adverts song from 1977, Gary Gilmore's Eyes and then just adapted it to fit a City association for football forums.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Gilmore's_Eyes

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

We've only sold 1,200 so far. That is absolutely dreadful. Port Vale have sold 2,500. I just don't think we have the support anymore, sadly.