Oscar Gobern (35 Viewers)

[skybluegod]

Has anyone suggested that performance is only down to nature? I believe we're disagreeing with your position that it's only nurture.

It depends on if you agree on whether traits are inherited or learned? Also I'm not denying things like muscle fibre types, personality types and psychomotor abilities like reaction time all help, but they aren't the reason someone becomes world class. And they in actual fact only push one towards a particular sport/position but it isn't definitive.

 

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[Otis]

It depends on if you agree on whether traits are inherited or learned? Also I'm not denying things like muscle fibre types, personality types and psychomotor abilities like reaction time all help, but they aren't the reason someone becomes world class. And they in actual fact only push one towards a particular sport/position but it isn't definitive.

So, in conclusion, what is the muscle fibre type and psychomotor ability like for Oscar Gobern?

Just a ball park figure will do, thanks.

 

[skybluegod]

So, in conclusion, what is the muscle fibre type and psychomotor ability like for Oscar Gobern?

Just a ball park figure will do, thanks.

there are 3 types of muscle fibre type, and he probably has a combo of fast twitch glycoltic(allow bursts of pace) and slow twitch (endurance).
psychomotor abilities I have no idea tbh would have to perform tests on him but it is just things like reaction time, rate control, aim, multi-limb coordination. So although these are helpful in football. I wouldn't say they are the reason he is a pro footballer?

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Some people just have the gift that no amount of practice and experience will achieve.

 

[Samo]

there are 3 types of muscle fibre type, and he probably has a combo of fast twitch glycoltic(allow bursts of pace) and slow twitch (endurance).
psychomotor abilities I have no idea tbh would have to perform tests on him but it is just things like reaction time, rate control, aim, multi-limb coordination. So although these are helpful in football. I wouldn't say they are the reason he is a pro footballer?

Gosh you learned a lot at Uni right? Good luck with applying it to life.

 

[Huckerby]

we signed anyone yet or are people still creating random threads with player names

 

[skybluejelly]

Some people just have the gift that no amount of practice and experience will achieve.

I must admit I am really good at masturbating ...but I probably get it from all the practice I have had

 

[Otis]

Gosh you learned a lot at Uni right? Good luck with applying it to life.

My application to life was rejected.

 

[Samo]

When did I say there was no geniuses? I said it takes hard work to become one.

just gonna point this out okay... It would be impossible John macenroe just to rely on talent... Why? Because it's impossible to return a tennis serve at 100+ mph without practice. Why? Because a human body cannot react in this time and so it takes practice and experience to predetermine where the tennis player is going to serve and this is through the way they arch their back Etc. this can only be learnt through practice and experience.

Lets cut through all this bullshit once and for all...
Hundreds of Thousands of people go through all the same processes and practice you describe and yet some fail and a few excel, the difference is the bit you cannot possibly explain. Stop being silly.

 

[Samo]

My application to life was rejected.

It soooooo wasn't Otis!

 

[skybluegod]

Gosh you learned a lot at Uni right? Good luck with applying it to life.

Resorting to sarcastic jibes just makes you look a tit.

 

[skybluegod]

Lets cut through all this bullshit once and for all...
Hundreds of Thousands of people go through all the same processes and practice you describe and yet some fail and a few excel, the difference is the bit you cannot possibly explain. Stop being silly.

No hundereds and thousands don't go through what I have described, as I said earlier it also relies on circumstance which allows them to get involved. You have literally provided no evidence against it. You are just stating an opinion.

 

[Samo]

No hundereds and thousands don't go through what I have described, as I said earlier it also relies on circumstance which allows them to get involved. You have literally provided no evidence against it. You are just stating an opinion.

Which is exactly what you have done. You have merely regurgitated other peoples opinions and claimed them as evidence. You have offered not one jot of evidence as to why most fail and a few excel. I refer you back to the post regarding Ronnie O'Sullivan. Would you like to comment?
And can I ask what your background, work and training you are in, just so we are clear? Your thinking is very rigid.

 

[skybluegod]

Which is exactly what you have done. You have merely regurgitated other peoples opinions and claimed them as evidence. You have offered not one jot of evidence as to why most fail and a few excel. I refer you back to the post regarding Ronnie O'Sullivan. Would you like to comment?
And can I ask what your background, work and training you are in, just so we are clear? Your thinking is very rigid.

No I have shown a series of experiments and findings, which yes aren't my own but back up what I say? tbh I'm not a fan of snooker and have never studied the sport or ronnies background so I can't comment?

i have said that I am willing to be proven wrong and see another side, but tbh I haven't really been given any evidence to support your claim. I have admitted abilities help but they aren't what makes people amazing imo.

 

[Great_Expectations]

Gosh you learned a lot at Uni right? Good luck with applying it to life.

Bit harsh.

It's an interesting debate to read, especially as it does not revolve around the usual SISU are Nazi's v CCC are heroes nonsense.

 

[skybluegod]

Bit harsh.

It's an interesting debate to read, especially as it does not revolve around the usual SISU are Nazi's v CCC are heroes nonsense.

It's a hugely interesting topic to study in general, i do completely understand his point of view having studied both sides of the argument in depth. But I have as you can see firmly put my weight behind hard work and practice side of the argument.

 

[Samo]

No I have shown a series of experiments and findings, which yes aren't my own but back up what I say? tbh I'm not a fan of snooker and have never studied the sport or ronnies background so I can't comment?

i have said that I am willing to be proven wrong and see another side, but tbh I haven't really been given any evidence to support your claim. I have admitted abilities help but they aren't what makes people amazing imo.

You have shown nothing of the kind. You don't need to be a snooker expert to comment on that post, please try harder.
I have met dozens like you, educated, empowered and striding forward with a new standard which is promoted slavishly with all the fervor of a new devotee. Whatever the field, the new learning is the solution to everything and all else is disregarded. By the way... you never did answer that question about training/work?

 

[mrtrench]

It's a hugely interesting topic to study in general, i do completely understand his point of view having studied both sides of the argument in depth. But I have as you can see firmly put my weight behind hard work and practice side of the argument.

I guess you studied Sports Science and are about 23s year of age.

 

[skybluejelly]

I guess you studied Sports Science and are about 23s year of age.

I reckon he was privately educated and the fees are about £32,000 a year

 

[phildownunder]

So, in conclusion, what is the muscle fibre type and psychomotor ability like for Oscar Gobern?

Just a ball park figure will do, thanks.

Nice one (again) Otis. Your posts steering a thread back to topic always make me smile.

Having said that, it`s an interesting discussion. For what it`s worth, I agree with Samo et al. Practice, training, hard work are all desirable for most players to make the most of their abilities, but there are some who have that extra something that the rest don`t have and they don`t need to try as hard. When you see a class player make something out of the ordinary look easy it`s because to him it IS relatively easy.

I can`t comment on any individual modern player`s attitude to training, but I don`t think the likes of George Best or Jim Baxter were the most dedicated trainers and yet they were match winners because of their particular talents.

Anyway back to Oscar Gobern ...

 

[Otis]

Nice one (again) Otis. Your posts steering a thread back to topic always make me smile.

Having said that, it`s an interesting discussion. For what it`s worth, I agree with Samo et al. Practice, training, hard work are all desirable for most players to make the most of their abilities, but there are some who have that extra something that the rest don`t have and they don`t need to try as hard. When you see a class player make something out of the ordinary look easy it`s because to him it IS relatively easy.

I can`t comment on any individual modern player`s attitude to training, but I don`t think the likes of George Best or Jim Baxter were the most dedicated trainers and yet they were match winners because of their particular talents.

Anyway back to Oscar Gobern ...

Yeah, it's like Jesus. He practised and trained and worked hard, but just had that extra something others didn't have didn't he.

It helped that he was the son of God too, mind.

Hopefully Oscar Gobern is also the son of God.

 

[skybluejelly]

Yeah, it's like Jesus. He practised and trained and worked hard, but just had that extra something others didn't have didn't he.

It helped that he was the son of God too, mind.

Hopefully Oscar Gobern is also the son of God.

Your getting him mixed up with David ike

 

[Otis]

Your getting him mixed up with David ike

Yes true. It's not too hard to differentiate between Icke and Jesus is it when you think about it.

Jesus was not quite so good on crosses as David Icke.

 

[phildownunder]

Yeah, it's like Jesus. He practised and trained and worked hard, but just had that extra something others didn't have didn't he.

It helped that he was the son of God too, mind.

Hopefully Oscar Gobern is also the son of God.

We`d better not sign him then without a crucifixion clause.

 

[Otis]

We`d better not sign him then without a crucifixion clause.

And if we fly him over we had better make sure the pilot's name isn't Pontius.

 

[phildownunder]

And if we fly him over we had better make sure the pilot's name isn't Pontius.

Ouch !

 

[mrtrench]

<<Insert weak pun about Jesus here>>

 

[Astute]

<<Insert weak pun about Jesus here>>

Jesus walks into a bar and asks for a glass of water which he then turns into wine.
The barman says, "Oi, what do you think you are doing?"
Jesus replies "I'm not paying your fucking prices."

 

[Astute]

At the last supper, Jesus takes the bread, blesses it, and says,

"Take this, all of you, and eat it, for this is my body."

He then proceeds to bless the wine and says,

"Take this, all of you, and drink it, for this is my blood."

Finally, he picks up the milk, but Peter looks at him and says,

"You can f*ck right off."

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

It's a hugely interesting topic to study in general, i do completely understand his point of view having studied both sides of the argument in depth. But I have as you can see firmly put my weight behind hard work and practice side of the argument.

On that reasoning James Milner would be the best player in the world (or pick any player you believe to be harder working than most players)

He's not and the reason isn't because of his muscle fibres either.

 

[Otis]

A teacher at school asks the class 'Where is Jesus?'

A small girl puts her hand up and says 'He's in heaven, miss.'

'Good' says the teacher.

Another little girl puts her hand up and says 'He's here in my heart, miss.'

'Yes, very good' says the teacher.

A little boy puts his hand up and says 'No, miss. He's in our bathroom!'

'Your bathroom?' says the teacher, puzzled.

'Yes, miss!' Says the boy. 'Every morning my dad goes upstairs at about 8 o'clock in the morning looking totally fed up and says "Jesus Christ! are you still in there!"

 

[skybluegod]

On that reasoning James Milner would be the best player in the world (or pick any player you believe to be harder working than most players)

He's not and the reason isn't because of his muscle fibres either.

james Milner is a quality player however? Maybes he's not the best player in the world because he has been out-worked? Also as I said, circumstance also plays a major part in development.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

james Milner is a quality player however? Maybes he's not the best player in the world because he has been out-worked? Also as I said, circumstance also plays a major part in development.

The fact I chose James Milner is an irrelevance, I just chose any player who most would agree is an extremely hard worker. Off the top of my head I look at players like Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Mesut Ozil, both typical players who are viewed as not hard working and they are both years ahead of Milner in terms of quality and technique. Did they outwork Milner as well then?

 

[skybluegod]

The fact I chose James Milner is an irrelevance, I just chose any player who most would agree is an extremely hard worker. Off the top of my head I look at players like Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Mesut Ozil, both typical players who are viewed as not hard working and they are both years ahead of Milner in terms of quality and technique. Did they outwork Milner as well then?

Funny how you mention mesut Ozil, as he is actually a player I have studied in depth, look up his history, look at where he was brought up, Gelsenkirchen, as I said it is a matter of circumstance and practice. If You look up his history, literally during all his free time he was practicing/ playing football, In streets or in what has come to be known as the 'monkey cage'. His first coach said and I quote 'he would devote every spare hour to fulfilling his life ambition.' There is a reason he is a class above and that's because of his circumstance. He has such good ball control is because of the fact he had to play football in such confined areas.
So yes he did outwork Milner.

 

[Otis]

Funny how you mention mesut Ozil, as he is actually a player I have studied in depth, look up his history, look at where he was brought up, Gelsenkirchen, as I said it is a matter of circumstance and practice. If You look up his history, literally during all his free time he was practicing/ playing football, In streets or in what has come to be known as the 'monkey cage'. His first coach said and I quote 'he would devote every spare hour to fulfilling his life ambition.' There is a reason he is a class above and that's because of his circumstance. He has such good ball control is because of the fact he had to play football in such confined areas.
So yes he did outwork Milner.

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Don't really want to get involved in this thread, which is now getting a tad tirseome, but how do you know that Milner didn't 'devote every spare hour of his time fulfilling his lifetime ambition?'