covmark
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Is this a wind up??
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PlayUpSkyBlue
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no, sign him up.
we need a striker.
Not sure what people are struggling to understand. He has served his time. Let him to his job, he will end up doing it for someone so why not us.
Incorrect.
skybluetony176
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Because I respect my mother, grandmothers, sisters, daughters and wife. That's why not. Why do you have difficulty working that out for yourself?
His victim will pay for his crime for the rest of her life unlike him and you want to turn a blind eye to it. Like I've already told you twice. You're an idiot.
ccfc1234
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Don't want us to sign Evans particularly but if we do I will not be taking the moral high ground. All too often with the British judicial system creates victims who will spend a life in crime as they can't move forward because if their pasts.
What ever happened on that night was wrong on many levels, however numerous concessurs of British law found his conviction unsafe. For that reason and the fact he has paid his dues (in the laws eyes) mean I would not get his name on my shirt but I would cheer his goals without any shame.
What ever happened on that night was wrong on many levels, however numerous concessurs of British law found his conviction unsafe. For that reason and the fact he has paid his dues (in the laws eyes) mean I would not get his name on my shirt but I would cheer his goals without any shame.
Otis
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Well, it's fine some people finding his conviction unsafe (mentioned this myself before), but it is down to his lawyers to prove the conviction is unsafe.
Until they do that, he remains 100% guilty.
Astute
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He has shown no remorse. And whatever happened he was in the wrong. Plenty of self pity though.
He was sentenced to five years, whilst no longer in custody he's still on licence and restricted in what he can/can't do, so therefore hasn't paid his dues.
chiefdave
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The footballing authorities should really do something to resolve this once and for all as I doubt Evans will be the last person in this kind of situation. They could make a rule that due to the community nature of football clubs players have to pass an enhanced CRB or something like that.
Might also be an incentive for some players to keep out of trouble.
ajsccfc
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I love the use of 'casino in the ground' like it's a Bond villain's lair.
Astute
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Fisher plays the Joker quite well.
Malaka
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Strange responses on here, after all I could have sworn people were singing 'She said yes' in relation to Marlon King, so I don't think that some City fans will be taking the moral high ground if he does sign. If he sign and he scored the winner that got us promoted would we cheer? I would
Hobo
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But don't fans also have a right to an opinion as to whether we feel he is of the right character and background to represent our club? Are there not hundreds of other professionals he is competing with who have shown more character, more maturity, more respect for others and more restraint. Yes he has served his sentence but he is now competing with people of better character.
CJ_covblaze
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Pretty much what I said. I don't see any reason why this can't happen. Education needs to be improved too. The NFL, RFU and NHL have all taken strong stances recently to clamp down on inappropriate, poor and inadequate behaviour. Why can't the football authorities?
PlayUpSkyBlue
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He made a mistake lets forgive and forget and give him the number 9 shirt.
Astute
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Fuck off.
Samo
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Astute, surely you've been on here long enough to know when someone is yanking your chain?
Otis
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Grendel
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Visit his website and there is his character.
Hobo
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He has done plenty of media...no thanks....but that is just my opinion, we all set our own standards, you, me, him and others will judge us; that's life.
Otis
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Oldham? Why not! They took Lee Hughes on.
They actually might have a wish list that's posted around the prisons. Can't be anything petty though. Death or serious crimes only, they don't want any petty thieves.
Samo
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A little obsessed G... are you hiding in his shrubs?
duffer
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Absolutely.
Having served your time most definitely does not allow you to follow a career path of your choosing, even if it was your previous career. It doesn't stop you following another line of work, but if you were a professional in the true sense of the word you'd most likely find yourself bounced out of your guild or association (most of which have codes of conduct for their members which preclude criminal behaviour). The PFA doesn't seem to have a code of conduct, more's the pity, but regardless Evans wants to follow a career in which he represents, in public, the people who pay his wages. Many of those people don't like the idea of that, given the nature of his offence.
There's nothing in law to stop a club employing him, but there's also no legal obligation for anyone to do so. The law also protects the right of free speech and many (including commercial sponsors) have clearly exercised that with regard to Evans.
He's entitled to look for work as a professional footballer, and as a supporter I'm entitled to say that I wouldn't want a man like that wearing my club's shirt. I'm not asking for him to be hung, drawn and quartered - he can play elsewhere if he can find a team that can abide him, or he can look for a different career and rebuild his life quietly as do many other ex-offenders.
Astute
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Do you love backing the underdog? You backed SP all the way until he was gone. Then you admitted it was most probably for the best.
If a club signs him it will be ripped apart by infighting. We have enough problems to deal with as it is.
Paxman II
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It was for the best - yes. What I said back then was he should be given till the turn of the year then see much against many others on here. Ultimately he had to go and the timing was correct.
As for Evans I'm not backing him more to the point I'm trying to get across the fact that we all abide by the law. I won't judge him other than he was convicted and served his time. He now like so many thousands of ex cons must rehabilitate himself into society again. If that means playing football then so be it.
For the record I agree with the suggestion above that football needs to act as a body and put in place it's own moral code which would clean up a lot of scum bags in the footballing arena.
Would I want Evans at my club? If he goes on to clear his name then sure. As it stands, not particularly. But having read a lot about the case I can understand why many commentators are suggesting the verdict was unsafe.
As for Evans I'm not backing him more to the point I'm trying to get across the fact that we all abide by the law. I won't judge him other than he was convicted and served his time. He now like so many thousands of ex cons must rehabilitate himself into society again. If that means playing football then so be it.
For the record I agree with the suggestion above that football needs to act as a body and put in place it's own moral code which would clean up a lot of scum bags in the footballing arena.
Would I want Evans at my club? If he goes on to clear his name then sure. As it stands, not particularly. But having read a lot about the case I can understand why many commentators are suggesting the verdict was unsafe.
Astute
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Which parts in your view makes the conviction unsafe?
There are three factors in law to consider for a rape to have taken place -
1) Intercourse took place between the suspect and victim.
2) The victim didn't consent.
3) The suspect does not reasonably believe the victim has consented.
In the Evans case, there is no dispute that 1) occurred, 2) is more difficult to prove and in this case the victim says she had no recollection of having sex with Evans but wouldn't have consented to sex with multiple people, with regards 3) this is the most difficult to prove as it's the perception of the alleged offender but would it be reasonable to get a message from a mate saying words to the effect "I've got a bird here, come over and have a go".
However, my understanding is that it's parts 2) and 3) which Evans team are saying are unsafe.
1) Intercourse took place between the suspect and victim.
2) The victim didn't consent.
3) The suspect does not reasonably believe the victim has consented.
In the Evans case, there is no dispute that 1) occurred, 2) is more difficult to prove and in this case the victim says she had no recollection of having sex with Evans but wouldn't have consented to sex with multiple people, with regards 3) this is the most difficult to prove as it's the perception of the alleged offender but would it be reasonable to get a message from a mate saying words to the effect "I've got a bird here, come over and have a go".
However, my understanding is that it's parts 2) and 3) which Evans team are saying are unsafe.
standupforcity
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I do not support inviting this man to play for our club in any way. However you raise an interesting point. There are professions where a convicted criminal is able to return to their previous career....the entertainment industry jumps to mind. So I'm interested to know your reaction when you see a known convicted criminal pop up on your TV screen....?? Do you switch over??! I have no idea why anyone would want to consider signing CE...who would want to bring the associated stigma to their club!! Not Coventry City I hope!!
Otis
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Yes. His defence team is also putting forward texts that the victim allegedly sent after the event 'bragging' about winning big and planning holidays etc. with the money she might make.
Think they are also saying that she allegedly told police that she was tipsy, but not drunk at the time.
As I keep saying, words are cheap. If they have evidence contrary to what was presented in court and it hasn't yet been submitted, let's hear it.
As it stands he is 100% guilty because he was found to be so in a court of law.
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