Ched Evans (8 Viewers)

[armybike]

Not naive Stu. His defence team say they have the police report that states she said she was tipsy and not drunk. They say they atually have the police report.

Maybe she tried to play down her level of drunkenness for a fear of being judged?

 

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[skybluetony176]

Well said Northern. Again, I'm staggered you needed to point that out in the first place.

 

[skybluetony176]

Nick would you be kind enough to close this thread? It's a nonsense and NW post #174 seems the ideal place to close it.

 

[Shakeitup]

It's depressing that we are talking about several cretins! Especially as they're not connected to the mighty Sky Blues and hopefully never will be!

 

[joemercersaces]

A few 'facts' from Evans' website are very enlightening. He had booked a hotel room for McDonald, not for himself as he was to sleep where he usually did. They went out on it together with Evans' brother and another couple of friends. Evans later told police that as professional footballers he and McDonald could have had any girl they wanted. The victim was at work until late when she quickly downed a few drinks and went out. There was an altercation involving one of Evans' friends who got arrested after he was apparently racially abused and butted by a girl. As a result, presumably to try and get this mate de-arrested by telling the police he was a victim Evans and his brother and another took a taxi to the police station a few miles away.

En route he received a text from McDonald. Both men are coy about what it said. A bit odd as it was sent on one of their phones and received on the other so they know exactly what it said. The website paraphrases to something like 'I'm with a girl'. Actually it said, according to the court reports, 'I've got a bird'.

Imagine you were Evans and in those circumstances you got that text. What would you do? Carry on to the nick on your mercy mission? What did Evans do? Told the taxi driver to turn round and go to the hotel. There he blagged an extra room key by telling the porter he'd booked the room and wanted to use it as his mate wasn't going to, let himself in and started to have sex with the girl while his brother and the other lad tried to film from outside. After he left the hotel via the fire escape.

as stated before, the girl woke up wondering how she'd got there and without her handbag.

Consent is the key issue here. MCDonald was obviously given the benefit of the doubt by the jury. Evans wasn't.

Can we imagine a scenario whereby there was a prior understanding of what a text saying 'I've got a bird' meant, namely 'game on Ched'.

 

[Astute]

A few 'facts' from Evans' website are very enlightening. He had booked a hotel room for McDonald, not for himself as he was to sleep where he usually did. They went out on it together with Evans' brother and another couple of friends. Evans later told police that as professional footballers he and McDonald could have had any girl they wanted. The victim was at work until late when she quickly downed a few drinks and went out. There was an altercation involving one of Evans' friends who got arrested after he was apparently racially abused and butted by a girl. As a result, presumably to try and get this mate de-arrested by telling the police he was a victim Evans and his brother and another took a taxi to the police station a few miles away.

En route he received a text from McDonald. Both men are coy about what it said. A bit odd as it was sent on one of their phones and received on the other so they know exactly what it said. The website paraphrases to something like 'I'm with a girl'. Actually it said, according to the court reports, 'I've got a bird'.

Imagine you were Evans and in those circumstances you got that text. What would you do? Carry on to the nick on your mercy mission? What did Evans do? Told the taxi driver to turn round and go to the hotel. There he blagged an extra room key by telling the porter he'd booked the room and wanted to use it as his mate wasn't going to, let himself in and started to have sex with the girl while his brother and the other lad tried to film from outside. After he left the hotel via the fire escape.

as stated before, the girl woke up wondering how she'd got there and without her handbag.

Consent is the key issue here. MCDonald was obviously given the benefit of the doubt by the jury. Evans wasn't.

Can we imagine a scenario whereby there was a prior understanding of what a text saying 'I've got a bird' meant, namely 'game on Ched'.

Hi Ched.

 

[Covstu]

A few 'facts' from Evans' website are very enlightening. He had booked a hotel room for McDonald, not for himself as he was to sleep where he usually did. They went out on it together with Evans' brother and another couple of friends. Evans later told police that as professional footballers he and McDonald could have had any girl they wanted. The victim was at work until late when she quickly downed a few drinks and went out. There was an altercation involving one of Evans' friends who got arrested after he was apparently racially abused and butted by a girl. As a result, presumably to try and get this mate de-arrested by telling the police he was a victim Evans and his brother and another took a taxi to the police station a few miles away.

En route he received a text from McDonald. Both men are coy about what it said. A bit odd as it was sent on one of their phones and received on the other so they know exactly what it said. The website paraphrases to something like 'I'm with a girl'. Actually it said, according to the court reports, 'I've got a bird'.

Imagine you were Evans and in those circumstances you got that text. What would you do? Carry on to the nick on your mercy mission? What did Evans do? Told the taxi driver to turn round and go to the hotel. There he blagged an extra room key by telling the porter he'd booked the room and wanted to use it as his mate wasn't going to, let himself in and started to have sex with the girl while his brother and the other lad tried to film from outside. After he left the hotel via the fire escape.

as stated before, the girl woke up wondering how she'd got there and without her handbag.

Consent is the key issue here. MCDonald was obviously given the benefit of the doubt by the jury. Evans wasn't.

Can we imagine a scenario whereby there was a prior understanding of what a text saying 'I've got a bird' meant, namely 'game on Ched'.

hmm so another side of the story with no evidence to back it up??? If any of this was fundamental to his case it would have come out during the case.

Agree with Tony on this one, lets close this one down and move on....

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

Ched Evans is a Rapist c**t.



There....we can close it now.

 

[armybike]

Yep, agree the thread should be closed.

 

[Otis]

And this is from several hours after the attack took place. The funny thing with alcohol is that people sober up.

One more question. If the police say she was only tipsy why did they prosecute Evans saying she was in no fit state at the time of the attack? Sounds to me like they have about run out of straws to clutch to.

Not going to get into an argument here, because I believe the bloke is guilty, but Evans' defence are saying that she said to the police, when interviewed, that she was sober at the time of the incident.

We keep retreading the same old ground.

According to his defence team they seem to have 'good' evidence. Well, let's hear it. Even if Evans's conviction ever did prove to be unsafe, he still behaved in a a shitty and obnoxious manner.

 

[stupot07]

Not going to get into an argument here, because I believe the bloke is guilty, but Evans' defence are saying that she said to the police, when interviewed, that she was sober at the time of the incident.

We keep retreading the same old ground.

According to his defence team they seem to have 'good' evidence. Well, let's hear it. Even if Evans's conviction ever did prove to be unsafe, he still behaved in a a shitty and obnoxious manner.

Hang on Otis, you've moved from Tipsy to Sober.....


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[shmmeee]

Can we just say none of us know and that both rape and false accusations are terrible things and perpetrators of both should be treated badly.

Will that do?

 

[Sick Boy]

She went to the hotel room with one man, Clayton. He (not the girl) invited Evans to join in via a telephone message. Evans then invited his brother and another man to flim them.

The girl was so drunk that she'd already fallen over in front of Evans, and had actually lost her handbag earlier in the night - it wasn't at the hotel. (This was actually why she went to the police in the first place, to report the loss of her handbag.)

She woke up in the hotel, naked, and covered in vomit and urine with no clear idea of what had happened to her. That should provide a pretty clear indication of how drunk she was or wasn't.

Here's the key point, which you and many others seem to be missing. The law states that consent from someone incapable of meaningful consent is not consent - this isn't about cries for help.

The same people here asking that we shouldn't 'judge' Evans are making judgements of the neutral judge and jury in both the original trial and the appeal, and also of the character of the victim here.

What the hell is wrong with some people? The fact he is already out of prison is disturbing. It's made even worse than some even try to make excuses for him. Clearly some people have a very unhealthy view of women. No doubt to them a woman choosing to wear a short skirt is asking for it.

 

[Sick Boy]

Can we just say none of us know and that both rape and false accusations are terrible things and perpetrators of both should be treated badly.

Will that do?

Rape is on par with murder and sentences should be a lot tougher

 

[ccfcway]

wont we have a long enough thread about court cases in the next couple of weeks.

 

[LB87ccfc]

Close this thread, their is nothing to discuss, we wont and never will be signing the player, if still want this thread to remain open, move it somewhere else as its nothing to do with CCFC.

 

[Otis]

Hang on Otis, you've moved from Tipsy to Sober.....


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I honestly meant to put tipsy. Freudian slip of the worst kind there.

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[Huckerby]

Couple of questions just to throw out there:

Has anyone here ever slept with someone on a drunken night out and not remembered it the next morning? I have...was I raped?

What do you think would have happened if Ched, when questioned the next day, also said he had absolutely no idea what happened?

Although the above sound like im backing him...im not, i think the guys a scumbag. Just think it's an interesting debate about what is "rape".

 

[Otis]

Couple of questions just to throw out there:

Has anyone here ever slept with someone on a drunken night out and not remembered it the next morning? I have...was I raped?

What do you think would have happened if Ched, when questioned the next day, also said he had absolutely no idea what happened?

Although the above sound like im backing him...im not, i think the guys a scumbag. Just think it's an interesting debate about what is "rape".

Never even had a one night stand, so I'm in the clear on this one.

 

[armybike]

Has anyone here ever slept with someone on a drunken night out and not remembered it the next morning? I have...was I raped?

If a person had put their penis into your mouth or anus and you didn't or couldn't consent then yes you'd have been raped.

However, due to a lack of penis a woman can't rape a man.

 

[Huckerby]

However, due to a lack of penis a woman can't rape a man.

Think you've established your credibility here already

 

[Shakeitup]

If a person had put their penis into your mouth or anus and you didn't or couldn't consent then yes you'd have been raped.

However, due to a lack of penis a woman can't rape a man.

Incorrect. Women can and have been prosecuted for raping men.

 

[skybluedan]

I shagged a bird with a stutter once... Just about finished before she said no

 

[armybike]

Incorrect. Women can and have been prosecuted for raping men.

They may have been for assisting an accomplice, but in the UK can't be prosecuted for the absolute offence.

 

[joemercersaces]

Hi Ched.

Can you not see that I don't believe a word he says? I am quoting his own website to demonstrate the absurdity of his defence and those whose weasel 'Devils advocate' defence of him demeans them.

 

[joemercersaces]

hmm so another side of the story with no evidence to back it up??? If any of this was fundamental to his case it would have come out during the case.

Agree with Tony on this one, lets close this one down and move on....

This Evans and McDonalds evidence! And if you and anyone else don't like the thread then read something else or go off and design cathedrals or something rather than arrogantly calling an end to a debate others find worthy of comment.

 

[Otis]

Can you not see that I don't believe a word he says? I am quoting his own website to demonstrate the absurdity of his defence and those whose weasel 'Devils advocate' defence of him demeans them.

I have found on here you can't quote the defences case without being jumped up and down on, even though you don't at all believe the case yourself and are simply stating their defence.

 

[skybluetony176]

This Evans and McDonalds evidence! And if you and anyone else don't like the thread then read something else or go off and design cathedrals or something rather than arrogantly calling an end to a debate others find worthy of comment.

The debate ended when the jury made a decision and subsequent judges ruled no grounds for appeal. What you're referring to is speculation not debate.

 

[Otis]

The debate ended when the jury made a decision and subsequent judges ruled no grounds for appeal. What you're referring to is speculation not debate.

To be fair though, Tony, he has submitted fresh 'evidence' and there will be a ruling with a few weeks or so. Then hopefully the whole thing can be put to bed once and for all.

This article from yesterday.

He has made a further grant for appeal.


http://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/1...-weeks-before-appeal-application-verdict.aspx

 

[Samo]

The debate ended when the jury made a decision and subsequent judges ruled no grounds for appeal. What you're referring to is speculation not debate.

There is certainly room for debate as demonstrated on here. And if you think this is over you are very naive.

 

[Samo]

I have found on here you can't quote the defences case without being jumped up and down on, even though you don't at all believe the case yourself and are simply stating their defence.

Indeed. Caught between the pitchforked mob and the politically correct mob is a difficult place to negotiate.

 

[Otis]

Indeed. Caught between the pitchforked mob and the politically correct mob is a difficult place to negotiate.

Yep.

There are people who followed the case (journalists and media), who say they thought the conviction was unsafe. Apparently though you aren't supposed to mention that.

Does make me laugh, cause I find I am having to defend myself even though I believe the bloke to be guilty.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Donald Duck thinks he may have a case on appeal too.

 

[Otis]

Donald Duck thinks he may have a case on appeal too.

What's he been found guilty of?

All I can reiterate is, the bloke was found guilty and I believe him to be guilty. Just some people who followed the case in court believe there is reason for the conviction to be unsafe.

I didn't follow the case. Some people followed every day in court. Doesn't mean they are right, just means they have cast some doubt on the verdict themselves. Is it not okay to comment that people who studied and followed the case thought the conviction might be unsafe?

Maybe the journalists who followed the case shouldn't be allowed to say the conviction was unsafe either, eh. :thinking about:

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Maybe the journalists who followed the case shouldn't be allowed to say the conviction was unsafe either, eh. :thinking about:

Well they too are showing a savage disregard for a victim of a crime, and are causing in their own way others to probably consider whether it's worth coming forward or not.

The Chuckle Brothers have a very interesting take on this.