skybluetony176
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Just because we need a CEO doesn't mean we need TF. Does he live up to your expectations of a CEO?
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Just because we need a CEO doesn't mean we need TF. Does he live up to your expectations of a CEO?
hill83
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3 weeks apparently
skybluetony176
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Exciting announcement coming in the new year.
cloughie
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No we will be like Blackpool where the owners take all the money and leave the club skint
Grendel
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He's not the CEO
Grendel
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The owners haven't taken any money out of the club. Still let's ignore the facts.
letsallsingtogether
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Like others have said price at the moment does not matter.
90% of ST holders would have brought Season tickets even if they were dearer.
So there must be another reason.
I am on holiday at the moment and we are swarmed with lucky lucky men I haven't seen one sell anything yet.
You need to sell what people want or they won't buy it.
What are CCFC selling to the non die hard fans?
Like the lucky lucky man it is obviously not what they want.
By the way I never got a season ticket this year but will be giving the Club my money as I will go to every game after Saturday (holiday).
TM and SW need to listen to what fans instead of only hearing what they want to hear.
How anyone can defend these goons after what they have done to this club is beyond me? If they mange to turn this cluster fuck around, and get us promoted then maybe just maybe they may deserve a LITTLE credit.
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90% of ST holders would have brought Season tickets even if they were dearer.
So there must be another reason.
I am on holiday at the moment and we are swarmed with lucky lucky men I haven't seen one sell anything yet.
You need to sell what people want or they won't buy it.
What are CCFC selling to the non die hard fans?
Like the lucky lucky man it is obviously not what they want.
By the way I never got a season ticket this year but will be giving the Club my money as I will go to every game after Saturday (holiday).
TM and SW need to listen to what fans instead of only hearing what they want to hear.
How anyone can defend these goons after what they have done to this club is beyond me? If they mange to turn this cluster fuck around, and get us promoted then maybe just maybe they may deserve a LITTLE credit.
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letsallsingtogether
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They have apparently put millions into the Club LOL
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Hobo
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That all might be right.
but 'Waggott expecting blind faith from the fans' is not blaming them or ridiculing them as some have made out.
the chicken and the egg situation I am sure frustrates TM, I suspect it frustrates Waggott, neither have the SISU cheque book and pen. By acknowledging the chicken and egg situation you are aware there are constraints set by the limited budget available; which is important they stick to for the longer term benefit of the club.
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Yeh that muppet grendull
What's your seat number grendull a few of us want to come and say hello?
rupert_bear
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As a lot on here know I am one of Waggott's greatest fans, ignore him, ignore his comments I firmly believe our fortunes will change for the better this season and remember it isn't about the opening two games possibly the two hardest on paper of the season and yes extra players now would be desirable but not essential but back to Waggott he is insignificant now I believe and that's why he is opening his gob, Rome wasn't built in a day but at least the foundations are being layed
shy_tall_knight
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Its difficult for a fan like me to accept their current financial prudence when 2 years ago they committed commercial suicide with the totally unnecessary move to Northampton. The transfer fees from Leon Callum & Cyrus could have been partially reinvested to see quality players on the park rather than the rubbish we've been served since Feb 2014.
This is the crux of what is a fatally flawed argument by SISU. Wisher and Faggott are in untenable situations which I hope JS and her cronies get to grips with. As for Dr Engle; he's the type that cannot ever admit to making mistakes. Oh to be perfect all the time.
Astute
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Yeah it is all CCC's fault.
They are only allowed to use 60% of income for the squad. The other 40% will be a couple of million. So where is this money going?
What they could do is give our club the money that is left over. As long as it is a gift and not a loan it can be used. But my suspicion is that it is being used in the relentless litigation.
FRY-CCFC
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People seem to forget the money they spent whilst we were in the championship but whatever.
Hobo
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who is the 'their' though? Who moved us to Northampton? I think that was more Seppala and Fisher.....not Waggott.
I see Waggotts weakness (and it is only an opinion) has been in sourcing players. Mowbrey has removed that responsibility from him, but has acknowledged his ability in sorting out the contract side. Something I don't think Mowbrey has time for. He would rather be coaching or scouting.
As for accepting the financial prudence, Mowbrey has and I quote "I won't be asking for more money." It might be a good time to reflect on why the club had to put the Ricoh in the hands of CCC and why the door was opened to an outfit like SISU; it was poor financial management.
The key to this club surviving and progressing is working within its financial means; whatever that may be at any given time. It is not about forgiving it is about being realistic about the clubs current financial situation.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I think SW is giving it fairly straight to be honest. Our budget is dependent on sales of tickets
we don't have much income from
- F&B we get a small percentage
- I think we get a small amount of the car parking
- we no longer get the shop sales (or associated costs) we get a commission
- sponsorship in L1 is not going to involve millions its going to 2 or 3 hundred thousand at a guess
- there is the FL prize money and solidarity payments but our achievements hardly maximise that
- advertising is restricted both around the ground and in programs (especially in close season)
- there are no player sales to be done
So ticket income is vital. The front loading of ticket income during May, June and July by way of ST sales is vital. I would think that the 4900 ST sales SW says we have made would equate to less than 900k after accounting for concessions and VAT. But that £900k is the major income in the close season. Perhaps why there appears to be no great impetus to creating a time to pay scheme (that said there are the 6 & 12 match packages). Actually nothing wrong in front loading income - the club haven't had a consumer credit licence for years - perhaps trust the fans to understand if that's what they have done
During the season we are told they are budgeting for 11k average crowds. Currently that equates to 6000 tickets sold each match to walk up fans or away fans. With the best will in the world I do not see that happening each match and unless it does then the budget is restricted further and we have to compromise the choice and type of player we can attract. After VAT and concessions I would guess the 6000 per game would equate to under £2m pa
During May June July there will still be expenses of course and making those expenses match the income is not an easy task especially when you factor in the fans expectations. Is it really surprising, aside from TM being a cautious/prudent guy, that transfer activity hasn't set the world alight as yet.
That transfer activity, whilst I would say they are good solid signings there has been nothing that grabs the fans imagination. Add to that the poor pre season and it all adds to some fans reluctance to invest hard earnt money in CCFC. It all just makes balancing the books a lot harder
SW is trying to be upbeat and confident in order to attract more fan take up. He knows that it is hard to rely on walk up fans during the season because a couple of losses and that support backs off. He is also telling it as it is isn't he - we as a club (like many other lower division clubs) need the guaranteed income from ST holders
Not SW's greatest fan but I don't see that he has said much wrong in this statement. I also think there are a sizeable number of fans that fail to see the perilous finances we have and still go on thinking we have money available. Reality check.
Pure guess but I would be surprised if budgeted income (net of VAT) is more than £4m to £4.5m in the current set up - that puts the SCMP budget at around £2.5m. That's the budget not necessarily what CCFC has available to spend. If the club has to stand on its own two feet now then all of the other wages & overheads have to come out of that £4.5m pot also.
So ST sales are vital, seem to have stalled, SW is doing what he can to maximise that income and point out the effect on not hitting targets. I would imagine he is somewhat concerned right now
we don't have much income from
- F&B we get a small percentage
- I think we get a small amount of the car parking
- we no longer get the shop sales (or associated costs) we get a commission
- sponsorship in L1 is not going to involve millions its going to 2 or 3 hundred thousand at a guess
- there is the FL prize money and solidarity payments but our achievements hardly maximise that
- advertising is restricted both around the ground and in programs (especially in close season)
- there are no player sales to be done
So ticket income is vital. The front loading of ticket income during May, June and July by way of ST sales is vital. I would think that the 4900 ST sales SW says we have made would equate to less than 900k after accounting for concessions and VAT. But that £900k is the major income in the close season. Perhaps why there appears to be no great impetus to creating a time to pay scheme (that said there are the 6 & 12 match packages). Actually nothing wrong in front loading income - the club haven't had a consumer credit licence for years - perhaps trust the fans to understand if that's what they have done
During the season we are told they are budgeting for 11k average crowds. Currently that equates to 6000 tickets sold each match to walk up fans or away fans. With the best will in the world I do not see that happening each match and unless it does then the budget is restricted further and we have to compromise the choice and type of player we can attract. After VAT and concessions I would guess the 6000 per game would equate to under £2m pa
During May June July there will still be expenses of course and making those expenses match the income is not an easy task especially when you factor in the fans expectations. Is it really surprising, aside from TM being a cautious/prudent guy, that transfer activity hasn't set the world alight as yet.
That transfer activity, whilst I would say they are good solid signings there has been nothing that grabs the fans imagination. Add to that the poor pre season and it all adds to some fans reluctance to invest hard earnt money in CCFC. It all just makes balancing the books a lot harder
SW is trying to be upbeat and confident in order to attract more fan take up. He knows that it is hard to rely on walk up fans during the season because a couple of losses and that support backs off. He is also telling it as it is isn't he - we as a club (like many other lower division clubs) need the guaranteed income from ST holders
Not SW's greatest fan but I don't see that he has said much wrong in this statement. I also think there are a sizeable number of fans that fail to see the perilous finances we have and still go on thinking we have money available. Reality check.
Pure guess but I would be surprised if budgeted income (net of VAT) is more than £4m to £4.5m in the current set up - that puts the SCMP budget at around £2.5m. That's the budget not necessarily what CCFC has available to spend. If the club has to stand on its own two feet now then all of the other wages & overheads have to come out of that £4.5m pot also.
So ST sales are vital, seem to have stalled, SW is doing what he can to maximise that income and point out the effect on not hitting targets. I would imagine he is somewhat concerned right now
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I think most people surely understand and appreciate all that. It's still yet another PR gaff though with a handful of days to the season. It's not just what the buffoon says it's the timing and the completely discrediting the potential of the fanbase to rally if just for once the product on the pitch was entertaining and competitive from the start. It smacks of readying the excuses to deflect blame back on the fans. I think they honestly thought that just capturing TM was all they had to do to convince thousands of doubters back, maybe the good folk of Cov and Warks are not as gullible as they thought. All that said if they want to sell more tickets they might consider investing some money in the ticket office so fans can at least actually hand over some money easily enough.
cloughie
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You are the one ignoring facts as per usual. I was responding to the question below and did not say or imply that they had already taken money.
If the miracle ever happened and we got to the prem would we still be self funding or would we then be welcome back into the Sisu family as the club would have its pockets stuffed with TV money?
If it is a little difficult for you to understand get an adult to explain it for you
fernandopartridge
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Your inherent prejudice against SW and SISU, justified it may be, is clouding your thinking.
Grendel
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Why would you like my autograph?
I will repeat I have never said anything that would suggest I support Sisu.
ajsccfc
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Fucking hell, have a word with yourself.
Can't deny I despise and distrust them intensely, not Waggot as an individual particularly but he seems to be bullet proof when all others { apart from Tim } have fallen away. I don't think I will ever forgive them for their selfish blunders, especially Northampton. All that said I'm not in the camp of thinking the club can progress without revenue from the fans either, I've bought tickets for the first match and will continue to pay on a match by match basis, at full prices I might add. I think they had a big chance with Mowbray this term but they had to have the team ready from day 1 not match 10, with the ball rolling and the team winning the casual fans would pour back.
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
hahaha how old are you? I'm sure he is quaking at the thought of some pissed up cowards coming over giving unfounded abuse.
skybluebeduff
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You saying they spent more than they made? trolololol
chinamans view
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Its the old line which comes first (team or fans) I think you build a team first and the fans will come and that's the way it is in any business (product first) which you then sell to the public, if they like the product then more people buy into it. We (ccfc) started well in getting TM in this year but so far have failed to build the complete product or team if you like, so the fans will still not return in numbers. Its still down to Mr Waggott and Co to complete the team or product first which means some investment is a must before fans will return to the days of 15,000 plus
Sick Boy
Super Moderator
Most football fans expect an individual to pour their money into a club and expect nothing in return. They then expect them to leave quietly when the money runs out and wait for the next mug to come along. As with a lot of other fans, it appears that success is a condition of support.
Nick
Administrator
Ha Christ! Embarrassing!
Sky Blue Kid
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A nobhead that picks up posters because they spell "Role" wrongly, yet can't spell "MANNER" correctly.(sustainable manor?)
Grendel
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Funny how you can use the quote button when it suits you.
fernandopartridge
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Fair one.
It's 'knobhead' if you want to be pedantic. Also you've included brackets after the full stop. Apart from that, I'll award you 5/10 for effort.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Sky Blue Kid will you be at the game on Saturday?
Grendel
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Please don't.