Lee Burge (10 Viewers)

[stupot07]

But how does a keeper ever get the experience, if a manager isn't brave enough to play him?

And in the long term, if the manager thinks he has enough promise to be first choice, surely we're better served by that then lurching from short term fix to short term fix?

If the manager *doesn't* think he has the promise, then that's a whole other ball game. But assuming he does...

I tend to agree. We're in league one, how far down the pyramid do you go before you accept that a young keeper can player to get some experience?! He isn't the best keeper in the world, but he's also not the worst we've ever had.

If TM thinks he's good enough, he'll continue to play him, if not he'll drop him.


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[Grendel]

I tend to agree. We're in league one, how far down the pyramid do you go before you accept that a young keeper can player to get some experience?! He isn't the best keeper in the world, but he's also not the worst we've ever had.

If TM thinks he's good enough, he'll continue to play him, if not he'll drop him.


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In 43 years as a fan I can think of one worse (I don't count Nuzzo and can't remember much about Dubec)

 

[Grendel]

Ricketts was quick to take the blame on behalf of the defense for the goal on CWR after the game. Don't remember his exact words but it was something along the lines of they didn't come of the line quick enough so didn't leave the room for Burge to come and take the ball.

What's he going to say?

That muppet in goal should have come and got it?

Come on

 

[PTA]

But I'm not just talking about last night, Tony, I am talking about in general. And besides, Ricketts is hardly going to come out and blame an individual anyway is he.

I didn't see Burge as particularly at fault for either goal last night, but it seems clear to me that he makes the back 4 jumpy and nervy when he's behind the sticks.

He might become a good keeper in time perhaps, but for now I think we need a strong, commanding keeper at the helm.

The back 4 has always been jumpy and nervy. The only that'll stop that is either the defence growing in confidence or, if it is Burge's fault, then Burge growing in confidence. But that won't happen if he stays the fans' scapegoat.

 

[skybluetony176]

But I'm not just talking about last night, Tony, I am talking about in general. And besides, Ricketts is hardly going to come out and blame an individual anyway is he.

I didn't see Burge as particularly at fault for either goal last night, but it seems clear to me that he makes the back 4 jumpy and nervy when he's behind the sticks.

He might become a good keeper in time perhaps, but for now I think we need a strong, commanding keeper at the helm.

By the same token when the back four don't clear the line quick enough to give the goalie the room to do his job it can't be doing much to stop the goalie getting jittery either. Clearly the back four and Burge need to gel and understand what's needed when the ball is in the danger zone. No two goalies play the same way and defences need to adjust to the goalies strength's and weaknesses. I'd say Burge wasn't to blame for either goal last night going by what Ricketts said. He has had two penalties to deal with so far this season, stopped one and very nearly saved the other. He does have ability but yes he does have weaknesses. Namely his kicking, it's very scattergun to say the least but if he and the back four can get an understanding that will be key to him improving.

I think he's done enough to keep his place but his progress needs keeping in check and if he starts making mistakes that costs us games which I struggle to see how that has happened this season then and only then should his position come under question. We need stability in the team.

 

[skybluetony176]

What's he going to say?

That muppet in goal should have come and got it?

Come on

I don't think he was even prompted to say anything. If he didn't want to name names he could have simply said he hadn't seen it back on replay and dodge the question, he didn't.

You clearly want to believe it was Burge's mistake wether it was or not. You're obviously just the sort of fan who needs to place the blame on one player rather than accept the captain and central defenders admission that the defense as a whole was to blame.

 

[Grendel]

I don't think he was even prompted to say anything. If he didn't want to name names he could have simply said he hadn't seen it back on replay and dodge the question, he didn't.

You clearly want to believe it was Burge's mistake wether it was or not. You're obviously just the sort of fan who needs to place the blame on one player rather than accept the captain and central defenders admission that the defense as a whole was to blame.

I blamed Johnson mostly for the goal on the match thread.

Sigh.

 

[skybluetony176]

I blamed Johnson mostly for the goal on the match thread.

Sigh.

So Ricketts must have been protecting Reda then not the "Muppet in goal" then in your opinion?

Strange you picked up on it then and made out he only said it to not name Burge when in reality you agree with Ricketts that it was a defending error not a goalie error. Make your mind up.

 

[Astute]

So Ricketts must have been protecting Reda then not the "Muppet in goal" then in your opinion?

Strange you picked up on it then and made out he only said it to not name Burge when in reality you agree with Ricketts that it was a defending error not a goalie error. Make your mind up.

He isn't being blamed for the goals. It is other parts of his game that is putting pressure on us like not claiming the ball or not organising the defence.

Did you not notice the difference between our GK and theirs last game? They were the difference between us winning and the draw we got. Or do you think that Burge would have saved our last shot?

 

[Otis]

But how does a keeper ever get the experience, if a manager isn't brave enough to play him?

And in the long term, if the manager thinks he has enough promise to be first choice, surely we're better served by that then lurching from short term fix to short term fix?

If the manager *doesn't* think he has the promise, then that's a whole other ball game. But assuming he does...

How does he get the experience? You send him out on loan to such as the conference. Let him have a 6 month or 12 month loan there. See if he can prove his worth.

 

[Otis]

He isn't being blamed for the goals. It is other parts of his game that is putting pressure on us like not claiming the ball or not organising the defence.

Did you not notice the difference between our GK and theirs last game? They were the difference between us winning and the draw we got. Or do you think that Burge would have saved our last shot?

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Grendel]

So Ricketts must have been protecting Reda then not the "Muppet in goal" then in your opinion?

Strange you picked up on it then and made out he only said it to not name Burge when in reality you agree with Ricketts that it was a defending error not a goalie error. Make your mind up.

Strange how everyone else understands the point being made and you choose not to.

 

[Otis]

Think you have got completely the wrong end of the stick Tony. Not what Grendel is saying at all.

All he's saying is that if Ricketts did think Burge was at fault he's hardly going to say anything is he. Would be a terrible captain if he did.

That's not to say Ricketts does think it's Burge's fault. All Grendel is saying is that Ricketts isn't going to name any individual and therefore just because he hasn't mentioned the keeper, it means absolutely nothing at all.

 

[skybluetony176]

Strange how everyone else understands the point being made and you choose not to.

You were replying specificaly to me pointing out what Ricketts has said about the goal and said he was defending "The Muppet in Goal" when in actual fact you agree with what Ricketts said and accept that the goal was indeed a defensive error, yourself actually picking out Reda as blame specifically. So I don't see what the point of your initial reply was? You were either trying to mock me for pointing out what Ricketts had said despite the fact as you've pointed out that you agree with his comment's or you just couldn't pass an oppertunity to call Burge a Muppet? Funny you're name calling players after moaning about name calling towards Colin Hendry the other day on a different thread. As I say, make your mind up.

As for ignoring the point I suggest you try reading what else I've written in this thread. I've pointed out what I see as weeknesses in Burge and without the need for name calling. Unless you're saying that the point of the thread is to call Burge names.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

I'm saying Bentley is far too good for this level. He's better than the majority of keepers in the league above let alone our league. Burge is a solid league one keeper.

Of course he is, I've admired Bentley for some time. West Ham were looking to sign him in the transfer window just gone. God knows how Southend managed to hold onto him

 

[covcity4life]

when is jpt game? interested to see how RCC does, i think mowbray likes him but waiting to replace burge for now

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

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Re: Bentley, My son said on the way to the game that Southend's keeper was really good and that some people think that he'll play for England in a few years. I'd never heard of him beforehand, but, he was as good as anyone I've seen for a long time.

 

[skybluegod]

I'm sorry but it's just way too easy to blame burge... Monday night was a terrible defensive performance... Their first goal is awful defending in so many ways, they shouldn't be able to get that ball into the box in the first place, then the the centre forward is literally free in the middle of the box, it is right on the edge of the six yard box and has a bit of pace on it so burge really didn't stand a chance. First half they should have scored 4 at least, we were not good enough.
The excuse that 'Burge gives the defence jitters' is bollocks, they can still do their jobs, a goalie needs confidence to come claim the ball, but when he his left so exposed, and gets played nye on suicide passes by his centre backs, what can we expect.
Burge isn't perfect no, but Monday night he was not to blame.

 

[rupert_bear]

I have stuck up for Leigh Burge in the past, still do, not the best I've seen, but I have seen worse, however I believe Reice Charles-Cooke will become number one in time probably this season and there is a youngster below him a giant of a kid who may push them both soon. Goalkeepers are an expensive item nowadays wages wise an old head would want £10k a week can we afford that ? luckily we have three on our books all prospects who need a bit of time to blossom.

 

[Otis]

I'm sorry but it's just way too easy to blame burge... Monday night was a terrible defensive performance... Their first goal is awful defending in so many ways, they shouldn't be able to get that ball into the box in the first place, then the the centre forward is literally free in the middle of the box, it is right on the edge of the six yard box and has a bit of pace on it so burge really didn't stand a chance. First half they should have scored 4 at least, we were not good enough.
The excuse that 'Burge gives the defence jitters' is bollocks, they can still do their jobs, a goalie needs confidence to come claim the ball, but when he his left so exposed, and gets played nye on suicide passes by his centre backs, what can we expect.
Burge isn't perfect no, but Monday night he was not to blame.

Totally disagree. Burge DOES give the back four the jitters and that is simply because he shows no control of his area.

Just watch next time we play and the ball is near our penalty box.

For me he needs to go a lower division on loan to gain experience.

And just to reiterate once again, many of us have said we are not blaming him for Monday and are just talking about his general performances.

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[Grendel]

You were replying specificaly to me pointing out what Ricketts has said about the goal and said he was defending "The Muppet in Goal" when in actual fact you agree with what Ricketts said and accept that the goal was indeed a defensive error, yourself actually picking out Reda as blame specifically. So I don't see what the point of your initial reply was? You were either trying to mock me for pointing out what Ricketts had said despite the fact as you've pointed out that you agree with his comment's or you just couldn't pass an oppertunity to call Burge a Muppet? Funny you're name calling players after moaning about name calling towards Colin Hendry the other day on a different thread. As I say, make your mind up.

As for ignoring the point I suggest you try reading what else I've written in this thread. I've pointed out what I see as weeknesses in Burge and without the need for name calling. Unless you're saying that the point of the thread is to call Burge names.

You are starting to resemble the proverbial mad man on the bus that no one wants to sit beside Tony.

I've not called anyone any names.

 

[Otis]

You are starting to resemble the proverbial mad man on the bus that no one wants to sit beside Tony.

I've not called anyone any names.

Only because you are a spotty twat face yourself.

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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

He isn't being blamed for the goals. It is other parts of his game that is putting pressure on us like not claiming the ball or not organising the defence.

Did you not notice the difference between our GK and theirs last game? They were the difference between us winning and the draw we got. Or do you think that Burge would have saved our last shot?

Exactly I'm not saying he should be saving these goals 9 out of 10 times, they aren't really blunders. My concern is that he doesn't have the ability and can't save these shots rather than the fact it has gone in.

Most keepers in this division do have the ability to keep out these shots, the keepers who do it more consistently are regarded as better than those who do it less less frequently.

 

[skybluegod]

Totally disagree. Burge DOES give the back four the jitters and that is simply because he shows no control of his area.

Just watch next time we play and the ball is near our penalty box.

For me he needs to go a lower division on loan to gain experience.

And just to reiterate once again, many of us have said we are not blaming him for Monday and are just talking about his general performances.

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i've been to all but one game this season, and I do admit at times burge does not inspire me with have incidence, eg, the ball rolling across his line from a cross vs Walsall, but until he makes an error can he really be blamed?

command of the area will come with experience and confidence...
Also in reference to those saying he doesn't seem like he can pull off good saves, has he really had the opportunity this season? Most the goals we have conceded this season have been pretty much certain finishes, and a brilliant shot against Crewe?

 

[Otis]

i've been to all but one game this season, and I do admit at times burge does not inspire me with have incidence, eg, the ball rolling across his line from a cross vs Walsall, but until he makes an error can he really be blamed?

command of the area will come with experience and confidence...
Also in reference to those saying he doesn't seem like he can pull off good saves, has he really had the opportunity this season? Most the goals we have conceded this season have been pretty much certain finishes, and a brilliant shot against Crewe?

Will command of his area come with experience though if we keep shipping goals? 2 a game for the last 3 games. Can't see how that experience is going to make him more confident.

I don't think he is as bad a keeper as some are saying, but then at the same time I think we do need someone better. We want to do well this season we need a keeper who can single-handedly save games for us and win us points.

Not sure Burge has that in him.

 

[skybluebeduff]

He's our number 1 for the foreseeable future, get behind him, give him the support he deserves! #InBurgeWeMustTrust

 

[skybluegod]

Will command of his area come with experience though if we keep shipping goals? 2 a game for the last 3 games. Can't see how that experience is going to make him more confident.

I don't think he is as bad a keeper as some are saying, but then at the same time I think we do need someone better. We want to do well this season we need a keeper who can single-handedly save games for us and win us points.

Not sure Burge has that in him.

I am hoping we get back to basics in training because teams have found it easy to hit straight back recently, so it's something to improve.

I will agree burge is not a keeper that is going to earn us 10-15 points like say Joe Murphy would, however I don't think we have the budget to replace him and while he's not perfect he isn't costing us games Imo... If once we have the required squad depth outfield, then money left over, I would look for a better keeper, but I have yet to see a good suggestion?

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Another thing - when we conceded the penalty, Burge just went back in his goal and didn't attempt to do anything to gain an advantage. I noticed Bentley delayed our penalty by about 30 seconds, talking to the ref and getting into JOB's ear telling him probably he knows where he's going.

 

[skybluegod]

Another thing - when we conceded the penalty, Burge just went back in his goal and didn't attempt to do anything to gain an advantage. I noticed Bentley delayed our penalty by about 30 seconds, talking to the ref and getting into JOB's ear telling him probably he knows where he's going.

Ricketts did the delaying for him, Burge even had a talk with Ricketts, which i think was the attempt to slow down the striker to increase nerves.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Another thing - when we conceded the penalty, Burge just went back in his goal and didn't attempt to do anything to gain an advantage. I noticed Bentley delayed our penalty by about 30 seconds, talking to the ref and getting into JOB's ear telling him probably he knows where he's going.

Have a day off.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I am hoping we get back to basics in training because teams have found it easy to hit straight back recently, so it's something to improve.

I will agree burge is not a keeper that is going to earn us 10-15 points like say Joe Murphy would, however I don't think we have the budget to replace him and while he's not perfect he isn't costing us games Imo... If once we have the required squad depth outfield, then money left over, I would look for a better keeper, but I have yet to see a good suggestion?

Lots of rose tinted nostalgia about Murphy. Good keeper at this level but not averse to making mistakes himself.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Have a day off.

What? It's no coincidence that Bentley saved the penalty and Burge never saved theres. Burge doesn't have the slightest idea of how you can get into the penalty takers mind. Bentley did, it was a poor penalty but he knew where he was going all along IMO.

 

[ceetee]

I can distinctly remember people on the phone-ins saying Murphy wasn't good enough (because he wasn't Kieran Westwood) and calling for Dunn to replace him.

It's so easy for the keeper to be the boo boy.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Ricketts did the delaying for him, Burge even had a talk with Ricketts, which i think was the attempt to slow down the striker to increase nerves.

Well it didn't work. I can't say 100% what Bentley did made him save it but he had a worse chance of saving it if he didn't do anything to interrupt the taking

 

[Samo]

Another thing - when we conceded the penalty, Burge just went back in his goal and didn't attempt to do anything to gain an advantage. I noticed Bentley delayed our penalty by about 30 seconds, talking to the ref and getting into JOB's ear telling him probably he knows where he's going.

That must have put JOB right off, no wonder he didn't save it.