Refugees welcome? (34 Viewers)

[martcov]

What I don't understand is why they are so desperate in Hungary? Surely if they had settled in Bulgaria or Romania it would be same there from ISIS?

What should they do with trouble makers then? Just say "ah they are desperate" and let them do what they want?

It is the way people seem to expect things, if I was running for my life I don't think I'd be too picky. I'd just be glad to be safe.

Hungary is ruled by Orban. Not a nice guy. Rumania is poor as is Bulgaria. They cannot cope with the refugees. Germany is the best bet to have peace, education and a normal life. Who are the trouble makers? People like you or me - people who want to live in peace and prosper with their kids getting educated. Do you think they are like old school Millwall fans out for a good "row"? Let's risk our lives to throw stones at a border guard in Hungary?

Actually, I think you would be picky. Settle in a poor country that can hardly cope with it's own poor, or a wealthy secular country where you can live your life according to your beliefs? If you think of your daughter's well being, which apparently you do, I think you would go for Germany or Sweden.

 

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[Nick]

Hungary is ruled by Orban. Not a nice guy. Rumania is poor as is Bulgaria. They cannot cope with the refugees. Germany is the best bet to have peace, education and a normal life. Who are the trouble makers? People like you or me - people who want to live in peace and prosper with their kids getting educated. Do you think they are like old school Millwall fans out for a good "row"? Let's risk our lives to throw stones at a border guard in Hungary?

Actually, I think you would be picky. Settle in a poor country that can hardly cope with it's own poor, or a wealthy secular country where you can live your life according to your beliefs? If you think of your daughter's well being, which apparently you do, I think you would go for Germany or Sweden.

If it was life or death? I'd be happy for my family to be alive and then I'd start my life again with a job doing whatever I could possibly do to support them. I'd probably settle somewhere at least comfortable to let everything die down and then once it has I'd re-judge the situation.

Maybe the difference is that I would look at it as "What could I build for myself" there rather than "What will I be given there"?

Who are the trouble makers? The people who are causing trouble and kicking off obviously? Of course it is not all of them, probably a tiny minority but they ruin it for everybody else don't they? The same as the people who aren't actually from Syria will ruin it for the people who are actually in need because it delays them getting help.

 

[martcov]

If it was life or death? I'd be happy for my family to be alive and then I'd start my life again with a job doing whatever I could possibly do to support them. I

Who are the trouble makers? The people who are causing trouble and kicking off obviously? Of course it is not all of them, probably a tiny minority but they ruin it for everybody else don't they? The same as the people who aren't actually from Syria will ruin it for the people who are actually in need because it delays them getting help.

Trouble makers? It is a long way to go to make trouble. I don't agree with stoning Hungarian border guards, but I don't think people go to Hungary just to do that. I suspect there would be no trouble if they could get to where they want to go. Again, I say that you cannot contemplate what is happening and what some of these people have been through. For them, it is the end of their resources and strength to get so far and then to see their hope taken from them - in their opinion unjustly - is too much for them. And yes, there will be chancers amongst them. Chancers are in every society or group.

 

[martcov]

If it was life or death? I'd be happy for my family to be alive and then I'd start my life again with a job doing whatever I could possibly do to support them. I'd probably settle somewhere at least comfortable to let everything die down and then once it has I'd re-judge the situation.

Maybe the difference is that I would look at it as "What could I build for myself" there rather than "What will I be given there"?

Who are the trouble makers? The people who are causing trouble and kicking off obviously? Of course it is not all of them, probably a tiny minority but they ruin it for everybody else don't they? The same as the people who aren't actually from Syria will ruin it for the people who are actually in need because it delays them getting help.

What are the employment prospects for Arab Muslims in Bulgaria or Rumania?

 

[Nick]

Trouble makers? It is a long way to go to make trouble. I don't agree with stoning Hungarian border guards, but I don't think people go to Hungary just to do that. I suspect there would be no trouble if they could get to where they want to go. Again, I say that you cannot contemplate what is happening and what some of these people have been through. For them, it is the end of their resources and strength to get so far and then to see their hope taken from them - in their opinion unjustly - is too much for them. And yes, there will be chancers amongst them. Chancers are in every society or group.

But now you are saying they making trouble because they can't get where they want to? If I wanted to get into somewhere and was rejected then it's OK if I kick off? I haven't said they have gone there just to throw rocks and kick off, but they are aren't they?

 

[Nick]

What are the employment prospects for Arab Muslims in Bulgaria or Rumania?

So it isn't just life or death then? It is about the job they can get, the house they can get etc etc? Surely they would take any job or do anything (within reason) if it supported their family?

I thought they were just trying to survive and find safety?

 

[SIR ERNIE]

So it isn't just life or death then? It is about the job they can get, the house they can get etc etc? Surely they would take any job or do anything (within reason) if it supported their family?

I thought they were just trying to survive?

Correct Nick.

These migrants in Turkey, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Austria etc are desperate to reach Germany, not desperate to flee a war. They're already safe and should rightly claim refugee status in the first safe haven they reach. The procedure if they then want to migrate to Germany is to go through the correct immigration process.

As I've said before, Germany have screwed this up and created massive problems for the rest of Europe.

 

[M&B Stand]

What are the employment prospects for Arab Muslims in Bulgaria or Rumania?

Qatar and the UAE the prospects are pretty good, and they even share the same religion.

 

[martcov]

Qatar and the UAE the prospects are pretty good, and they even share the same religion.

Great. But they are here at our eu borders, so obviously Qatar and the UAE are not taking them. I certainly don't want to compare the humanitarian support in Germany with those Arab States. It would be nice if this puts another nail in the coffin of the Qatar World Cup.

 

[martcov]

Correct Nick.

These migrants in Turkey, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Austria etc are desperate to reach Germany, not desperate to flee a war. They're already safe and should rightly claim refugee status in the first safe haven they reach. The procedure if they then want to migrate to Germany is to go through the correct immigration process.

As I've said before, Germany have screwed this up and created massive problems for the rest of Europe.

Look at Greece and Hungary. They cannot or won't cope with the influx. It is hardly surprising and not new that they want to come to Germany. Blame Germany for being hard when it comes to Greece and then soft when it comes to a humanitarian crisis. It is not Germany's fault that these people are fleeing a war or a refugee camp. Blame Assad, ISIS, the rebel groups and Western foreign policy - they are the causes. The refugee crisis is a symptom and Germany has set the lead in taking some of the responsibility. The war on terror screwed this up - not a humanitarian gesture from Merkel.

 

[Nick]

Look at Greece and Hungary. They cannot or won't cope with the influx. It is hardly surprising and not new that they want to come to Germany. Blame Germany for being hard when it comes to Greece and then soft when it comes to a humanitarian crisis. It is not Germany's fault that these people are fleeing a war or a refugee camp. Blame Assad, ISIS, the rebel groups and Western foreign policy - they are the causes. The refugee crisis is a symptom and Germany has set the lead in taking some of the responsibility. The war on terror screwed this up - not a humanitarian gesture from Merkel.

Of course they aren't fleeing because of her. But if she has said "everybody come here we will let you in" then of course if people trying to get to Germany are causing issues it isn't helping is it? Especially when they are on their way there and she closes the gates again.

My neighbours would be pissed off if I said every homeless person in the midlands could come and live at my house, then I realise I dont have enough rooms and close the door.

 

[Marty]

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Got to love the bloke at 20 seconds, dragging his screaming daughter to the front.

Hungary should be doing everything possible to protect their borders if they wish.

 

[Nick]

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Got to love the bloke at 20 seconds, dragging his screaming daughter to the front.

Hungary should be doing everything possible to protect their borders if they wish.

They can do what they want though, they are frustrated.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

I have no idea where this will all end, but I am not going to blame this crisis on the refugees.

Blame it on Tony Blair. The whole middle east mess can be traced back to him and Bush. Maybe he could put some refugees up in some of his varied property portfolio that he amassed whilst in no.10.

 

[martcov]

They can do what they want though, they are frustrated.

Correction. They will do what they want, they are frustrated.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

I have no idea where this will all end, but I am not going to blame this crisis on the refugees.

Blame it on Tony Blair. The whole middle east mess can be traced back to him and Bush. Maybe he could put some refugees up in some of his varied property portfolio that he amassed whilst in no.10.

Whilst I hate the lying c**t with a passion & would love to see him face a war crimes trial for the mass murder of innocents in Iraq......

I don't think you can blame the current Syrian civil war on Blair......(I'm happy to be corrected btw)

...and as a side note, "The whole middle east mess" has been caused by centuries of imperialist betrayals....but the post world-war partitions & creation of new countries really fucked the region & we've been fucking it up further every time we get involved....

 

[Nick]

Correction. They will do what they want, they are frustrated.

Yep, always found that a great way for people to help me.

Too much pussyfooting around and making excuses. If they want to act like dicks and ruin it for people who do need help they should get arrested, blacklisted in the EU for any asylum and sent home.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

For years there has been a lot of hatred and in-fighting of muslim factions across the middle east. The like of Asad and Saddam Hussain although tyrannical, kept a lid on it with brute force. They were and are still tyrants, but under there rule a lid was kept on the whole powder keg and a lot less violence took place.
The UK and US (under Blair and Bush) going into Iraq to get rid of Saddam was a catalyst for the whole of the Arab Spring revolution which has led us to where we are now. They should have been left well alone and this has been borne out by the civil wars and unrest which will cost a lot more lives than had we not got involved.

 

[lewys33]

For years there has been a lot of hatred and in-fighting of muslim factions across the middle east. The like of Asad and Saddam Hussain although tyrannical, kept a lid on it with brute force. They were and are still tyrants, but under there rule a lid was kept on the whole powder keg and a lot less violence took place.
The UK and US (under Blair and Bush) going into Iraq to get rid of Saddam was a catalyst for the whole of the Arab Spring revolution which has led us to where we are now. They should have been left well alone and this has been borne out by the civil wars and unrest which will cost a lot more lives than had we not got involved.

Are you suggesting they went to war because of the tyrant in charge? Crikey.

 

[martcov]

[MENTION=2]Nick[/MENTION]. The guy in charge of processing the asylum claims in Germany has just resigned. Personal reasons. Unofficial reason is that the claims are taking too long.

 

[martcov]

Yep, always found that a great way for people to help me.

Too much pussyfooting around and making excuses. If they want to act like dicks and ruin it for people who do need help they should get arrested, blacklisted in the EU for any asylum and sent home.

the UN don't think Hungary is pussyfooting around.

 

[Macca]

Whatever your opinions you have to accept that we live in a democracy. The fact that the only real anti immigration party ( UKIP ) scored so low in the election in comparison to the main parties suggests that the majority of people in the country are pro immigration. And that's that really.

 

[The Lurker]

I would imagine that the refugees have sold everything they have and gone through hell to get this far, only be told to fuck off by a Hungarian near fascist. I suspect that they are pissed off and see no other means of showing their disgust against armed people. No doubt you would act differently in their circumstances.

Why can't the refugees settle in Hungary? They are not in a worn-torn country anymore. Surely the whole reason they moved was fearing for their lives, now they are not. Should be happy being away from torture. So your basically saying it's fine to break the law and riot? Interesting comments

 

[The Lurker]

Well if it is a bubble, I am happier in it than outside of it. I do not say that everyone outside my bubble ( your opinion ) is a Nazi or right wing, but the people feeding the anti refugee, frightener propaganda machine certainly are.

Brilliant. So because someone is against immigration. They are a racist, nothing like pre judgmental. Your not living in the UK but we are cutting budgets left right and centre. But willing to find money for 20,000 people including housing and benefits. Which will cost the country 10's of millions. I don't want more cuts happening and that will happen to pay for the refugees. You let 20,000 int then more will want to come in. It'll be a never ending cycle.

 

[The Lurker]

Whatever your opinions you have to accept that we live in a democracy. The fact that the only real anti immigration party ( UKIP ) scored so low in the election in comparison to the main parties suggests that the majority of people in the country are pro immigration. And that's that really.

How do you work that out? Weren't UKIP the 3rd highest party for votes? Over 5 million in total. Quite a large %. Wouldn't say it's low

 

[The Lurker]

Trouble makers? It is a long way to go to make trouble. I don't agree with stoning Hungarian border guards, but I don't think people go to Hungary just to do that. I suspect there would be no trouble if they could get to where they want to go. Again, I say that you cannot contemplate what is happening and what some of these people have been through. For them, it is the end of their resources and strength to get so far and then to see their hope taken from them - in their opinion unjustly - is too much for them. And yes, there will be chancers amongst them. Chancers are in every society or group.

Where they want to go? Sorry but if everyone did what they did there would be anarchy. I want to live somewhere nicer doesn't mean I can go to kenilworth and start kicking off. They are out of a war torn country, what more do they want?

The problem will not go away because you will get tens of thousands more trying to enter Europe. This issue will carry on for years. The population of Syria is huge and this is just the start of the problem

 

[Nick]

Is it racist to be annoyed that my daughters education is being affected because there are kids in the class that can't really speak English and are holding the rest of the class back? Not to mention there has been quite a fair few houses built which have a lot of different ethnicities living in them so the school numbers have shot up massively which means they have had to mix her with younger kids too? So, you have a very bright 6 year old in the same class as a 4 year old who can't speak English very well and expect the level of education to be the same?

She has friends in school who are Polish and their parents have obviously spent a lot of time and effort as they can speak fluent English and Polish which I find incredible, so it isn't an issue with every kid who isn't English or a "they aren't English" rant.

 

[The Lurker]

Qatar and the UAE the prospects are pretty good, and they even share the same religion.

And doesn't mean a deadly boat and rioting but the media are too scared to suggest this.

This all started when that poor tragic young child died on the boat but what was never really mentioned was the dad was living in turkey for years, same place but wanted new teeth and was told to go Europe. That is a fact. But once this was common knowledge it was swept under the carpet. Hidden agenda here

 

[Nick]

And doesn't mean a deadly boat and rioting but the media are too scared to suggest this.

This all started when that poor tragic young child died on the boat but what was never really mentioned was the dad was living in turkey for years, same place but wanted new teeth and was told to go Europe. That is a fact. But once this was common knowledge it was swept under the carpet. Hidden agenda here

I don't understand why they aren't going the other way. It would make more sense as they are rich countries, the same religion etc. However, what would happen to them if they started kicking off at their borders?

 

[The Lurker]

Is it racist to be annoyed that my daughters education is being affected because there are kids in the class that can't really speak English and are holding the rest of the class back? Not to mention there has been quite a fair few houses built which have a lot of different ethnicities living in them so the school numbers have shot up massively which means they have had to mix her with younger kids too? So, you have a very bright 6 year old in the same class as a 4 year old who can't speak English very well and expect the level of education to be the same?

She has friends in school who are Polish and their parents have obviously spent a lot of time and effort as they can speak fluent English and Polish which I find incredible, so it isn't an issue with every kid who isn't English or a "they aren't English" rant.

My little girl class has 12 polish kids and they have 2 teachers (1 polish and 1 English) plus the school has a polish head teacher on top of the normal head teacher. This is costing the country millions of pounds while were in austerity. Same applies to when foreign nationalities are arrested here. They get a translator which costs £500 a time. Yet working public sector people have to take paycuts, police and fire service losing 1000's of jobs and army budget cut despite this country being targeted and high alert. Sorry for my racist outburst. Can't say the truth can I?

 

[Nick]

the UN don't think Hungary is pussyfooting around.

Didn't they just spray tear gas? If I went into town tonight and kicked off with the police I'd get CS gassed wouldn't I?

 

[The Lurker]

I don't understand why they aren't going the other way. It would make more sense as they are rich countries, the same religion etc. However, what would happen to them if they started kicking off at their borders?

Because they wouldn't get the free handouts and houses. For 15 years this country and most of Europe had housed immigrants and give them free money. I don't blame them, they get free money and housing but it's us who have to pay for it.

Those countries are rich because they don't have the same benefit system as us.

 

[Monners]

Racism on Sky Blues Talk will not be tolerated - unless of course there are 20k refugees trying to get into the UK!

 

[Nick]

My little girl class has 12 polish kids and they have 2 teachers (1 polish and 1 English) plus the school has a polish head teacher on top of the normal head teacher. This is costing the country millions of pounds while were in austerity. Same applies to when foreign nationalities are arrested here. They get a translator which costs £500 a time. Yet working public sector people have to take paycuts, police and fire service losing 1000's of jobs and army budget cut despite this country being targeted and high alert. Sorry for my racist outburst. Can't say the truth can I?

That post isn't racist though, although other posts with the way they are worded do look it and are pretty much that way!

I have nothing against other kids from other countries if they can speak the language and don't hold everybody else back. If I was going to move to a non English country we would all be booked into intense language causes to become fluent in advance.

I still don't understand the "Let them all in now" way of thinking, we don't know who they are, where they are from, what they have done in the past etc. Every person needs to be vetted, if they aren't genuinely in danger if they go home then they go home. If they actually do need help and they have no past criminal record (serious crimes) then we see what we can do.

 

[The Lurker]

Didn't they just spray tear gas? If I went into town tonight and kicked off with the police I'd get CS gassed wouldn't I?

Last time I knew, rioting was a criminal offence and any other time would be deported. If that was England football fans in Hungary playing up, it would be we are scum and hang them all. One rule for one group one rule for another