There were not as many car owners percentage wise and we were prepared to walk to HR from Pool Meadow. Whether people are prepared to Walk e.g. in pouring rain from the station to the Butts these days ...
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There were not as many car owners percentage wise and we were prepared to walk to HR from Pool Meadow. Whether people are prepared to Walk e.g. in pouring rain from the station to the Butts these days ...
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SkyBlueZack
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Do you have figures or calculations for staying at the ricoh? You have no more idea than anyone else on here. It has been said by an expert staying at the ricoh would limit us to champ football at best. So there is more evidence than you seem to provide about staying.
covcity4life
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this may just be posturing to pressure wasps into a better deal perhaps?
when is anderson meeting wasps?
when is anderson meeting wasps?
Are you acknowledging that a minority sport franchise is a sporting rival to CCFC? Have CCFC fans dropped CCFC for Wasps in any numbers? Even Italia keeps his ST for City.
Calista
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I don’t necessarily disagree with you Stupot – I just keep coming back to the unavoidable feeling that Coventry only needs one stadium, and that it’s more viable for all concerned with two high-profile clubs rather than one.
Regarding Arabs and Russians – both those parts of the world are under terrible pressure now because of oil prices. And China could be on a bit of a slide too. The era of mega-rich benefactors might have come to a close just as we need one more than ever.
SkyBlueZack
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How do people claim 12 to 15k is unambitious yet are happy being wasps tenants?
italiahorse
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I'm not saying either will get us to the PL I'm saying that staying at the Ricoh is better than building a new stadium in view of the situation we are now in. IMHO
A lot of this is driven by Wasps changing the building for themselves and the vision of us watching football in a gold and black stadium.
Just maybe if we get a 10 year running deal we will get the opportunity to personalise it.
If we are leaving and still think legally we can get the stadium back we won't.
ricohroar
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a 20,000 stadium is OK for league 1, but I think a lot are forgetting a 20,000 stadium isn't 20,000 Coventry fans, on a big cup draw giving 1/4 to away fans and the segregation would only able 12,000 - 13,000 City fans, where we all know the slightest hint of success this city will attract 20,000 - 25,000 easily, so who's going to miss out? take out of that 12-13,000 fans the corporate lot of 2000? room for City V Man U home quarter final FA cup drawer of erm 10,000
italiahorse
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Wasps tenants or Sisu tenants when I turn up on matchday's to watch my club it's my stadium and the away fans i talk too are impressed and say how lucky we are.
Lets get back to the football, absorb the atmosphere of the day and forget the politics. Like we used too until Sisu put it in our faces.
We have yet to hear how we could survive in the Championship with a 12000 Seat stadium and what exactly the "365 day" supposed income would be. I think that CA is here to calculate an exact comparison based on actual figures and statistical Projections.
TF got it wrong at Northampton and an expert without all the information can also be wrong.
stupot07
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We know clubs rent, how many football clubs have a matchday only rental deal with no/little access to matchday or addition revenue? As far as I know man city and Brighton have a 365 day year lease.
Man city do events and conference so get 365 day income http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Non-MatchDay-Hospitality
As do Brighton http://www.eventsatbhafc.co.uk/whats-on/christmas-parties-brighton.php
Plus they will get stadium sponsorship, stand sponsorship, ability to sell advertising across the stadium (we get pitchside only), 100% f&b's, potentially car parking, etc.
You can't compare our rental deal with others who rent the whole stadium 365 day per annum.
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hackneyfox
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You stopped being similar to our size some time ago
We're looking to expand the stadium to 37k with a n option of 42k, you'd be mad to move to a stadium which can only expand to 20k.
Grendel
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Of course it is a rival. Wasps say they want 90% of their fanbase with a CV postcode. To suggest none of those have ever watched the football club is absurd
stupot07
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The difference is sisu sell the stadium and the football club and it's more attractive to owners as they have something tangible on their balance sheet, not a 250 year liability of rent with little to show for it.
I'm not agreeing with this 12-15k stadium I'm disagreeing with blindly staying at the Ricoh for the next 250 years as tenants, hoping for the best.
We need to see the business case but people seem to have written off a new stadium before they have seen one.
We know we will be at the Ricoh for the next 10 years, but longer term who knows.
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ccfcway
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knock down the exisiting stand and rotate the whole thing, so the pitch is parallel to the railway track.
Plenty of room then !
stupot07
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There are a few on my Twitter feed that are called skyblue****, or ccfc*** etc who no longer go to ccfc games but now have wasps ST's. I had to do a Twitter cull.
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Who suggested that? The question was "have CCFC fans dropped CCFC to support Wasps in any Great numbers"? If not, then why worry about Wasps?
Astute
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And a small stadium at the Butts would do what?
Our main income is ticket sales. A small stadium would limit us more than anything else.
Kingokings204
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If we are honest it will never happen. Let's meet back in 20 years time we won't be playing at the butts in a 20k stadium.
I would love it to happen and of course we need our own stadium for ffp etc. get all that but we have a stadium in Coventry with great transport links and holds 32k and it's already built.
Now wasps own it and I hate that and no I've never been to a wasps game. But we need to apply pressure and get a foot in the door. Wasps won't be in Coventry forever and already failing by all accounts. Combine that with the clout of championship football with a promotion and 20k plus crowds. We really hold all some good cards.
(P.s didn't Anderson or fisher say it will be outside of Cov council boundaries? Well the butts is in it)
I would love it to happen and of course we need our own stadium for ffp etc. get all that but we have a stadium in Coventry with great transport links and holds 32k and it's already built.
Now wasps own it and I hate that and no I've never been to a wasps game. But we need to apply pressure and get a foot in the door. Wasps won't be in Coventry forever and already failing by all accounts. Combine that with the clout of championship football with a promotion and 20k plus crowds. We really hold all some good cards.
(P.s didn't Anderson or fisher say it will be outside of Cov council boundaries? Well the butts is in it)
Otis
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There is next to no room for expansion. Yep, you might well get your 12,000-15,000 thousand seater at a push, but that would be it I would reckon. Then, if and when we get to the Premier we are all going to bemoan that is it far too small.
On the parking, as Steve says, we could park right by Highfield Road. there's already pretty much nowhere to park now at the Butts, let alone when a stadium was built and further restrictions would be put in place.
Think you will find a lot of the parking close to the Butts is one hour maximum (up Albany Road and Earlsdon Hgh St. etc.). There's not much parking space now, before a stadium is built. At HR there was.
Kingokings204
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Spot on, people would argue back and say we own it but ticket sales are a lot more than food and beverage. Also 15k seater stadium won't host many big events as the Ricoh would due to capacity and transports links. It just won't happen. (Sadly)
Astute
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I fully agree. But we need a ground that is good and big enough. What we need is an agreement with Wasps until we can put together a plan to take us forward. And we have not seen any plan so far that looks realistic. We have a decent chance of promotion this season especially if we get to keep Armstrong. If so even the away support will be much bigger most games. It is also said to be worth an extra 5m a season. The Ricoh situation is nowhere near ideal for us or our club. But I have seen nothing anywhere near as good so far.
There are a few on my Twitter feed that are called skyblue****, or ccfc*** etc who no longer go to ccfc games but now have wasps ST's. I had to do a Twitter cull.
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Our best years based on gates coincided with CRFC's best years attendance wise. ( if My memory is correct ). Rugby won't destroy CCFC and vice versa. Where we should be on the ball is in schools. If we keep involvement with the kids, we shouldn't notice Wasps.
Astute
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So Wasps want 90% of their support to have a CV postcode. We want a new ground that is good enough and big enough. We want new rich owners. I want my wife to look like she did when we first met. She was very hot them days.
If only we could all have what we want.
Astute
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I have not seen anyone write off a new stadium. But paying many millions for something not good enough to take us forward would not be a good move. Like you say the Butts wouldn't be a good move. And who has said about renting for 250 years?
What we need is to get lucky in getting to the Prem. This would pay for a stadium. Or get lucky in getting a mega rich owner. Otherwise we need a proper plan in place. And until we have any of these a decent rental agreement seems to be the best answer. We need to be realistic.
skybluetony176
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So you'll agree then that cutting you're potential paying customer base from 32k to 12-15k while your competition has the potential to attract 32k paying customers is commercially shooting yourself in the foot.
eastwoodsdustman
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I know we are in the 3rd tier of football and getting 11000 fans each week, but we weren't getting much more than 14-15000 in the championship after the novelty of moving to the Ricoh had worn off and even when we were in to premier league/first division attendances weren't that much higher.
Would we need another white elephant of a ground that holds twice the amount that we need again?
Would we need another white elephant of a ground that holds twice the amount that we need again?
eastwoodsdustman
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Potential customer base means very little if it only turns up once in 5 years. I'm a potential lottery winner but guess what? It isn't going to happen.
covcity4life
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it might
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I would think a ground of 20k would be more than enough even if the miracle ever happened and we got back to the Prem as gate receipts in the top league are only the cherry on the cake at most clubs as the TV revenues are so big nowadays.
i like the idea of the butts but when I went past it on the train there didn't seem to be much space around it, plus does the butts have the same stupid parking rules as the Ricoh where you don't seem to be able to park anywhere in a cv postcode on match day?
i like the idea of the butts but when I went past it on the train there didn't seem to be much space around it, plus does the butts have the same stupid parking rules as the Ricoh where you don't seem to be able to park anywhere in a cv postcode on match day?
Nick
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Where does it stop though? Should we build a 50k stadium so we aren't ruling out champions league?
There's a difference if we had 32k every week and downsize compared to being a third full every week and downsizing.
skybluetony176
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Exactly. Based on what we know we can achieve in terms of crowds in the championship we're going to rob ourselves of £1.9m - £3m in ticket revenue every season, not including cup games. We're going to have to be selling an awful lot of pie's to be better off and that's even before you consider the extra debt of the cost of redeveloping the site on top of the historic debt. A 12-15k stadium just doesn't add up.
It's worth pointing out that we're actually in a good position to be a championship club as early as next season. The butts proposal might not be viable before a brick is laid.
chiefdave
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Look at this seasons championship averages:
Derby 29,166
Brighton 23,921
Leeds 22,703
Middlesbrough 22,429
Sheff Wed 21,267
Forest 20,110
Wolves 20,010
There isn't another team over 19K.
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