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On the last bit, you said lifetime, iirc. I can't help that you're too young. 😄

If you vote for what you believe in you're not selling out. I'm not here to criticise anyone for voting Labour. But I'm also not having that this is a left wing Labour party, or probably even what I'd think of as centre-left. Genuine question, not a trap - Starmer isn't really proposing to...

Fair question, I lived through the late 70s, remember, so that's easy. Moving onto Blair, whom I voted for the first time enthusiastically, I certainly had the impression he still believed in a leftish Labour party, but maybe that's because of Thatcher. I don't see Starmer committing to the...

"Back in the real world"? What is it with guys like you and shmmeee and cheap digs. If you want to debate politics, then make your case. If you're going to sling out this pretence that you're somehow the only grown ups here, then bluntly you can bollocks too mate, because it's grindingly...

Do you understand the difference between economic plans and fiscal policy? This Labour party has committed to the same fiscal orthodoxy as the Tories. Everything must be fully costed, and taxation will not rise. Have I mis-stated that?

Which bits of Labour's current policy agenda could be described as left wing? I can see lots of stuff in the pledges about security and 'fully costed', but it seems a bit short on reducing inequality (other than with a few more teachers), or bringing utilities and transport back into state...

Where did I say that getting people who voted Tory to vote Labour is bad? I think you might be able to do that without directly copying Conservative fiscal policy though. That will be right wing fiscal policy, not centre left, for clarity. One of the actual fuck ways to win an election is...

You're right, it does point out that these are people who identify as women, that want to play as such, and can point to the fact that there's no significant physical advantage in their cases and presumably others. Whether the data is cherry picked or not is debatable, can you link to...

Maybe you haven't lived long enough mate, because this the current Labour party is most definitely not left wing. Trust me, I am! Also the election is not on a knife edge, particularly in this constituency. So I'm certainly not for the status quo, but I'm also not much for a party that seems...

There's some interesting stuff here on this, fwiw. The point about fully transitioned women actually being at a physical disadvantage, is interesting, imho. And I'll leave it at that. If I've offended you @oakey , my genuine apologies. We differ, clearly, but that's no reason for me to insult...

The thing about changing facilities is a fair point and that would have to be carefully considered. It's not insurmountable though, is it? Clearly some teams already have trans women who have transitioned, how has it worked there? I think women, like men, clearly have differing views on all...

Err... because we're talking about access to football and other sports for women. When it comes to that specifically, your biggest concern seems to be trans women - is that fair to say, or am I misrepresenting you?

If you think for a moment I'm suggesting that anyone's safety shouldn't be a consideration, then you're dead wrong. But it's nowhere near as black and white as is being suggested, imho. And I discussed exactly this thread with my wife yesterday, to get her opinion on it. It's fair to say it...

I think you're putting words in my mouth there, is it unreasonable to ask why if you're so concerned about girls access to sport you'd be so focussed on this single issue? I'm not trying to minimise it, but I think it's also not unreasonable to point out that you've highlighted a few individual...

All I can say mate, is that I accept Oakey has strong opinions on the matter, but it's not unfair to challenge her politely, is it? I'm also not claiming that I'm right either, I don't think this is an area with any easy answers. Just being a woman doesn't necessarily make Oakey right either...

I think the difference is that I don't see trans women as a genuine obstacle to other women or girls playing football. There are other issues to girls getting into sport that impact far higher numbers than a handful of trans athletes, surely? Societal attitudes, gender bias, lack of...

I think this is where you're going wrong. Calling it a "flounce" is both massively disrespectful and completely misses the point. I'm struggling to vote for Labour because they've moved away from me on a number of key issues. As I see it, voting for a party closer to what I believe in, is a...

Fair enough mate, I get that. I think we probably differ in a couple of things. I don't think people should be compelled to vote, because I see no harm caused to anyone else (or themselves) by an individual not voting. My failing to vote doesn't hurt democracy, my not being able to vote...

All of the non voters in the country are here on this thread? Wow, I don't know how the server keeps up.

How do you know what the people who don't vote think? All these lazy assumptions and clichés, based on literally nothing beyond your own opinion. Part of living in a free country is that not everyone does what you want, get over it and quit whining. If you want bigger uptake in elections...