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He’s a very functional manager. Far lower expectation at Forest than at the last few clubs and that hugely works in his favour.

And we’ve rarely consistently created good chances in the whole time Robins has been with us. I said earlier on in the thread there is a parallel universe where Simms went to Ipswich last summer and ended with 25 league goals. I genuinely don’t think that’s particularly outlandish.

Last season was very much the big rebuild. I think it was generally accepted over the summer that, if we didn’t go up this season, Van Ewijk, Wright, Simms, Sheaf at the very least were likely to move on. Set aside how they’ve individually started the season; we should have been looking at...

think it was here…. https://www.thedonkeysanctuary.org.uk/

Jailed for 7 years and you’re getting your knickers in a twist over it being 6 years 45 weeks instead. Fucking hell.

The fact he’s unsighted is being underplayed. The ball would have been fully hidden behind Lati when struck so he has to use body shape as a guide. Don’t get me wrong, it went horribly wrong and he has to take the blame for it, but there’s a fairly rational explanation of how it happened.

To flip it on its head, what are Robins’ strengths?

I find the whole ‘two tier’ thing absolute bollocks. However, the fact charges are yet to be brought really isn’t a good look. Clearly we don’t know what else they are accused of and how much investigation is subsequently required, but you’d have thought they were really pushing for an outcome...

I’m sure there’s a parallel universe where Ipswich beat us to Simms’ signing and he was top scorer in the Championship last season.

I actually thought we started seeing a player break out last season. He started to be far more involved, but he still looks like he’s never actually seen a football before let alone kicked one.

I just think structurally our midfield stinks at the moment. It’s too fluid - you’ve got 3 players basically trying to play as 8s. Tell someone to rein it in.

If he’s passing it he needs to do it almost first touch, take it on his right to bend it round the remaining defender and into space. As soon as he’s taken that touch outside it’s never realistically on.

My brain cannot compute how he came through a PL academy.

And it pains me to say I’m falling down on the ‘manager’ side at present. I really believe this is a good squad of players being mishandled. I hope something clicks and we can forget this episode ever happened but I don’t think it’ll play out that way.

Nothing against Eccles, but I’ve been keen to see Torp and Sheaf starting together. With Eccles’ knock tonight, probably see it Saturday.

You don’t take Wright off at this point.

An absolute chasm between midfield and attack at times.

Not a game for mobility really. Could do with someone sitting in that area of the pitch rather than going walkies every 2 minutes (not aimed necessarily at Eccles, collectively we are far too fluid).

I’d actually get Sakamoto on for Eccles, push Lati into CM and flip to a back 4.

So what you’re saying is we should carry on being negative and the players will play better? Fine by me.