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David O'Day

David O'Day

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shmmeee said:
I think it’s no secret that I don’t rate Hyam at all at this level, but maybe. It’s his distribution I have the most issues with. Not sure I’d have him ahead of McFadzean based on last season though.
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Not saying ahead of anyone, just if he's in the middle he can left the other 2 carry the ball etc.
 
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skybluereeve

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shmmeee said:
When Rose came into the side later in the season his use of the ball was revolutionary TBH. Stopped the awful “to the wing back, back to you, turn like an oil tanker, to the other CB, get it back, lump it up, lose possession” we’d been cursed with.
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I agree with that 100%. Lack of fitness left me a bit concerned made a few mistakes and generally worried me. However I think he’s a great player and it was all down to lack of games.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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David O'Day said:
Rose does have something him and the moneyball football stats crowd seem to love him.
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For me you need defenders who can pick a pass or you need a big lump up front to win headers from the long balls forwards (or some pace if they’re over the top). Personally I’d like us to keep being a team that builds from the back so I really want Rose to progress.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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skybluereeve said:
I agree with that 100%. Lack of fitness left me a bit concerned made a few mistakes and generally worried me. However I think he’s a great player and it was all down to lack of games.
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I think a lot of players had mistakes in them when they first stepped up. Sheaf, Dabo, even Hamer spring to mind. All good enough and just need experience of knowing what they can get away with at this level.
 
David O'Day

David O'Day

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shmmeee said:
For me you need defenders who can pick a pass or you need a big lump up front to win headers from the long balls forwards (or some pace if they’re over the top). Personally I’d like us to keep being a team that builds from the back so I really want Rose to progress.
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I/ can't see MR not building towards a team have is comfortable playing out from the back
 
Cobi Jones's Dreads

Cobi Jones's Dreads

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Marty said:
Is Clarke-Salter actually any good? Both Sunderland and Blues fans have told me he's dreadful.

Not sure I've ever watched him play so not sure if they're just winding me up.
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Seems like a lot of Blues fans actually thought he was very decent:

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Birmingham City: Fans call for club to sign Jake Clarke-Salter to a permanent deal

Some Birmingham City fans have called on the club to sign current Chelsea loanee Jake Clarke-Salter to a permanent deal in the upcoming summer transfer window. The England Under-21 captain was…
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cc84cov

cc84cov

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Marty said:
Is Clarke-Salter actually any good? Both Sunderland and Blues fans have told me he's dreadful.

Not sure I've ever watched him play so not sure if they're just winding me up.
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Sunderland ? 🤣 yeah they know what their on about 🥴 he’s England under 21 captain
 
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Deleted member 5849

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COV said:
The last genuinely class keeper we had was Westwood I'd say. People like Murphy- solid enough but they wouldn't help you win points, Westwood could.
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Murphy's an interesting one - Jim Blyth used to absolutely slate him whenever he was summariser on CWR!

I wouldn't go that far, but I do sometimes wonder if spectacular is, half the time, because a keeper's positioning is a bit out.
 
SlowerThanPlatt

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COV

COV

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Murphy's an interesting one - Jim Blyth used to absolutely slate him whenever he was summariser on CWR!

I wouldn't go that far, but I do sometimes wonder if spectacular is, half the time, because a keeper's positioning is a bit out.
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Murphy would save the ones he should be saving, but Westwood was the last one I think where he’d save the ones he had no right to get near.

I think its right that we were a bit spoiled with Ogrizovic and Hedman, I remember when Hyldegaard started and the difference between a Premier League keeper and… well Hyldegaard became rather apparent, it was a huge shock. Poor old Scott Shearer though- one of those where you actually felt sorry for him.
 
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COV said:
Murphy would save the ones he should be saving, but Westwood was the last one I think where he’d save the ones he had no right to get near.

I think its right that we were a bit spoiled with Ogrizovic and Hedman, I remember when Hyldegaard started and the difference between a Premier League keeper and… well Hyldegaard became rather apparent, it was a huge shock. Poor old Scott Shearer though- one of those where you actually felt sorry for him.
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I really didn't rate Hedman, mainly for the reasons stated above. Even though Oggy was past it by that point, I always felt the defence looked somehow more secure with him there, as he could communicate with them, get them working as a unit better - and Hedman was prone to the spectacular, but I'm not entirely sure that wasn't just because he was a bit off with his positioning.

Considering Alan Hodgkinson had a stellar reputation as a goalkeeping coach, to bring us Debec and Shearer wasn't his best reference!

(I forgot Clayton Ince as another we were spoiled with, btw!)
 
COV

COV

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Deleted member 5849 said:
I really didn't rate Hedman, mainly for the reasons stated above. Even though Oggy was past it by that point, I always felt the defence looked somehow more secure with him there, as he could communicate with them, get them working as a unit better - and Hedman was prone to the spectacular, but I'm not entirely sure that wasn't just because he was a bit off with his positioning.

Considering Alan Hodgkinson had a stellar reputation as a goalkeeping coach, to bring us Debec and Shearer wasn't his best reference!

(I forgot Clayton Ince as another we were spoiled with, btw!)
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I think Hedman was a better shot stopper, but had less command of his area & the defence. You'd have Ogrizovic over him every time for sure.

Christ, Debec...

Ince was weird, played against us for Crewe and was so good that our fans applauded him off after making countless excellent saves- we could have played all night and not scored past him... so we sign him and never play him- did he make just one appearance?

I also remember Pegguy Arphexad rocking up for a few games, I have no memory if he was good or bad, so he was probably secure enough
 
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COV said:
Pegguy Arphexad
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I'd forgotten him! His Wikipedia entry is tantalisingly surreal!

Wikipedia said:
Rumours surfaced that Arphexad turned to making pornographic content after a failed career in acting. However, in an interview with the Leicester Mercury he denied it, saying that he works in sports insurance.
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Tommo1993

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Murphy loved a penalty save. I’d put him first over the likes of Burge, RCC, Dunn, Allsopp, Colin Doyle (lol).

There was that game away at Upton Park in our relegation season, Kevin Nolan scored to make it 1-0. Murphy really kept the score down.
 
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shmmeee said:
I think it’s no secret that I don’t rate Hyam at all at this level, but maybe. It’s his distribution I have the most issues with. Not sure I’d have him ahead of McFadzean based on last season though.
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Yet you rate Ostigard who passing is obviously far worse? Hyam was playing on the left too.
 
shmmeee

shmmeee

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Deleted member 9744 said:
Yet you rate Ostigard who passing is obviously far worse? Hyam was playing on the left too.
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It’s not just Hyams passing I don’t rate (and it’s his pass selection rather than his completion rate I have an issue with), several forwards made him look silly last season.
 
COV

COV

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Deleted member 5849 said:
I'd forgotten him! His Wikipedia entry is tantalisingly surreal!
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Here is the full list of shame- all our goalkeepers since relegation... there are some names in here I genuinely have zero memory of :) Iain Turner?

01/02
Magnus Hedman 35
Andy Goram 6
Tim Flowers 5
Chris Kirkland 1

02/03
Morten Hyldegaard 27
Fabien Debec 11
Gary Montgomery 8

03/04
Scott Shearer 30
Gavin Ward 12
Pegguy Arphexad 5

04/05
Luke Steele 32
Scott Shearer 8
Ian Bennett 6

05/06
Marton Fulop 31
Stephen Bywater 14
Clayton Ince 1

06/07
Andy Marshall 41
Luke Steele 5

07/08
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 22
Andy Marshall 16
Kasper Schmeichel 9

08/09
Kieran Westwood 46
Andy Marshall 2

09/10
Kieran Westwood 44
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 2

10/11
Kieran Westwood 41
Iain Turner 2
Danny Ireland 1

11/12
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2

12/13
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2

13/14
Joe Murphy 46

14/15
Ryan Allsopp 24
Lee Burge 18
Jamie Jones 4

15/16
Reice Charles Cook 37
Lee Burge 9

16/17
Lee Burge 33
Reice Charles Cook 15

17/18
Lee Burge
Liam O'Brien 7

18/19
Lee Burge 40
Liam O'Brien 4
David Stockdale 2

19/20
Marko Marosi 34

20/21
Ben Wilson 27
Marko Marosi 20
 
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shmmeee said:
It’s not just Hyams passing I don’t rate (and it’s his pass selection rather than his completion rate I have an issue with), several forwards made him look silly last season.
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Same with Ostigard. Totally at sea against QPR
 
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COV said:
Here is the full list of shame- all our goalkeepers since relegation... there are some names in here I genuinely have zero memory of :) Iain Turner?

01/02
Magnus Hedman 35
Andy Goram 6
Tim Flowers 5
Chris Kirkland 1

02/03
Morten Hyldegaard 27
Fabien Debec 11
Gary Montgomery 8

03/04
Scott Shearer 30
Gavin Ward 12
Pegguy Arphexad 5

04/05
Luke Steele 32
Scott Shearer 8
Ian Bennett 6

05/06
Marton Fulop 31
Stephen Bywater 14
Clayton Ince 1

06/07
Andy Marshall 41
Luke Steele 5

07/08
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 22
Andy Marshall 16
Kasper Schmeichel 9

08/09
Kieran Westwood 46
Andy Marshall 2

09/10
Kieran Westwood 44
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 2

10/11
Kieran Westwood 41
Iain Turner 2
Danny Ireland 1

11/12
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2

12/13
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2

13/14
Joe Murphy 46

14/15
Ryan Allsopp 24
Lee Burge 18
Jamie Jones 4

15/16
Reice Charles Cook 37
Lee Burge 9

16/17
Lee Burge 33
Reice Charles Cook 15

17/18
Lee Burge
Liam O'Brien 7

18/19
Lee Burge 40
Liam O'Brien 4
David Stockdale 2

19/20
Marko Marosi 34

20/21
Ben Wilson 27
Marko Marosi 20
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Montgomery was so bad he took up cricket!

Actually thought Andy Marshall was very underrated. I don;t remember Jamie Jones, I have to say.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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covcity4life said:
Murphy was very overated imo

Westwood our last great keeper. Surprise this career didn't go on the heights I expected.
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Sunderland was a poor move for his career in terms of actual playing time, but it was great for his bank account.

Granted he was unlikely to get ahead of Mignolet, but they never really gave him a chance, not on a consistent basis anyway. Even though, if memory serves, he actually performed very well when he was ever called upon to deputise.
 
kg82

kg82

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COV said:
Here is the full list of shame- all our goalkeepers since relegation... there are some names in here I genuinely have zero memory of :) Iain Turner?

01/02
Magnus Hedman 35
Andy Goram 6
Tim Flowers 5
Chris Kirkland 1

02/03
Morten Hyldegaard 27
Fabien Debec 11
Gary Montgomery 8

03/04
Scott Shearer 30
Gavin Ward 12
Pegguy Arphexad 5

04/05
Luke Steele 32
Scott Shearer 8
Ian Bennett 6

05/06
Marton Fulop 31
Stephen Bywater 14
Clayton Ince 1

06/07
Andy Marshall 41
Luke Steele 5

07/08
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 22
Andy Marshall 16
Kasper Schmeichel 9

08/09
Kieran Westwood 46
Andy Marshall 2

09/10
Kieran Westwood 44
Dimitrios Konstantopolous 2

10/11
Kieran Westwood 41
Iain Turner 2
Danny Ireland 1

11/12
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2

12/13
Joe Murphy 46
Chris Dunn 2

13/14
Joe Murphy 46

14/15
Ryan Allsopp 24
Lee Burge 18
Jamie Jones 4

15/16
Reice Charles Cook 37
Lee Burge 9

16/17
Lee Burge 33
Reice Charles Cook 15

17/18
Lee Burge
Liam O'Brien 7

18/19
Lee Burge 40
Liam O'Brien 4
David Stockdale 2

19/20
Marko Marosi 34

20/21
Ben Wilson 27
Marko Marosi 20
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The only one I don’t remember is Jamie Jones. Absolutely no recollection of him whatsoever.
 
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