60 acres (2 Viewers)

[MichaelCCFC]

Hearing a couple of people who work in planning/building saying there isn't a 60 acre site in the whole of the West Mids never mind Cov and Warks suitable for a football ground with adjoining development. Don't know if it's bs so anyone got any expertise/knowledge/contacts?

 

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[bigfatronssba]

Well you dont really need to be in the trade to know that.

60 acres is a big site, the sort that is not easy to miss.

Now can you think of Brownfield site that big locally?

 

[jon92]

On the news yesterday they said it ain't going to be in cov

 

[jesus-wept]

Think there are 6 other local authorities surrounding Coventry, don't think it would be too difficult for media or local politicians to dig out the truth. Anoher thing a relative, a serving Police officer tells me he doubts if Warwickshre police have the man power to police football matches on a regular basis

 

[skybluetony176]

Think there are 6 other local authorities surrounding Coventry, don't think it would be too difficult for media or local politicians to dig out the truth. Anoher thing a relative, a serving Police officer tells me he doubts if Warwickshre police have the man power to police football matches on a regular basis

that wouldn't stop them from buying land on its own but if true it could possibly be a spanner in the works for planning permission.

 

[japandy]

Why do people think there is no place within Coventry or nearby? Maybe there aren't any places on the market but there are other methods of buying land. 1) find land you like and make an offer. 2) find land for sale where the owner wants a private sale. Just because people on here google 'land for sale' doesn't mean there aren't places. I know for a fact the Police have tried to get rid of the college on Ryton. That would be so good for the club being right next to the training ground.

 

[Snozz_is_god]

Think there are 6 other local authorities surrounding Coventry, don't think it would be too difficult for media or local politicians to dig out the truth. Anoher thing a relative, a serving Police officer tells me he doubts if Warwickshre police have the man power to police football matches on a regular basis

You'll not be able to dig out any truth from the 6 surrounding local autorities....do you know why?

Because they know nothing, I doubt if SISU have even spoken to them, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Yesterdays debacle, was a poor attemt at try to convince the waverers and probably ACL/CCC that they are serious.

It had the opposite affect. SISU think we're all idiots.

 

[lewys33]

Why do people think there is no place within Coventry or nearby? Maybe there aren't any places on the market but there are other methods of buying land. 1) find land you like and make an offer. 2) find land for sale where the owner wants a private sale. Just because people on here google 'land for sale' doesn't mean there aren't places. I know for a fact the Police have tried to get rid of the college on Ryton. That would be so good for the club being right next to the training ground.

does the £25 mill stadium costs include demolition?

 

[wingy]

Why do people think there is no place within Coventry or nearby? Maybe there aren't any places on the market but there are other methods of buying land. 1) find land you like and make an offer. 2) find land for sale where the owner wants a private sale. Just because people on here google 'land for sale' doesn't mean there aren't places. I know for a fact the Police have tried to get rid of the college on Ryton. That would be so good for the club being right next to the training ground.

I'm intrigued to know why It would be good to situate a Ground n Ryton with all the access problems.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Why do people think there is no place within Coventry or nearby? Maybe there aren't any places on the market but there are other methods of buying land. 1) find land you like and make an offer. 2) find land for sale where the owner wants a private sale. Just because people on here google 'land for sale' doesn't mean there aren't places. I know for a fact the Police have tried to get rid of the college on Ryton. That would be so good for the club being right next to the training ground.

Its not a question of whats for sale, its a question of availability.

Regardless of whether the land is vacant or not, can you think of many large 60 acre sites surrounding the city?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Why do people think there is no place within Coventry or nearby? Maybe there aren't any places on the market but there are other methods of buying land. 1) find land you like and make an offer. 2) find land for sale where the owner wants a private sale. Just because people on here google 'land for sale' doesn't mean there aren't places. I know for a fact the Police have tried to get rid of the college on Ryton. That would be so good for the club being right next to the training ground.

Or find the location & distress the owners until they sell it on the cheap. That's what will take the time I'll bet.

 

[skybluetony176]

Why do people think there is no place within Coventry or nearby? Maybe there aren't any places on the market but there are other methods of buying land. 1) find land you like and make an offer. 2) find land for sale where the owner wants a private sale. Just because people on here google 'land for sale' doesn't mean there aren't places. I know for a fact the Police have tried to get rid of the college on Ryton. That would be so good for the club being right next to the training ground.

dont they want a multi purpose site, so they can sell the surrounding land to maccy d's, tesco's, cineworld etc to pay for the stadium development? do you really think that will happen in a small warwickshire village? surely that would have happened already on the old peugeot site if it was a possibility?

 

[mark82]

that wouldn't stop them from buying land on its own but if true it could possibly be a spanner in the works for planning permission.

Not sure if it would affect planning permission but would certainly mean an increased bill for the club if they did end up in that jurisdiction.

 

[ecky]

I'm intrigued to know why It would be good to situate a Ground n Ryton with all the access problems.

Yep A45 toll bar island will be caos for the next 3 years

 

[italiahorse]

It would need to be a previous industrial site as green belt would have it's own implications, particularly 60 acres.

Each Council should be asked individually whether they have been approached using the freedom of information act.
Perhaps this is something the trust can do?

 

[dadgad]

does the £25 mill stadium costs include demolition?

Or DECONTAMINATION?

 

[shmmeee]

It would need to be a previous industrial site as green belt would have it's own implications, particularly 60 acres.

Each Council should be asked individually whether they have been approached using the freedom of information act.
Perhaps this is something the trust can do?

According to Steve they have and are waiting in replies from some councils but he didn't say which ones.

 

[RPHunt]

dont they want a multi purpose site, so they can sell the surrounding land to maccy d's, tesco's, cineworld etc to pay for the stadium development? do you really think that will happen in a small warwickshire village? surely that would have happened already on the old peugeot site if it was a possibility?

It's possible.

May be the dozens of property companies with their years of experience, in-house specialists and hordes of consultants are missing something those clever people at SISU will ferret out. On the other hand, it could be a load of bullshit.

 

[shmmeee]

From a reply to NOPMs FB post (the best kind of rumour source!):

ALLEGEDLY........ It seems its the Ryton site, "someone in the planning office who had seen the outline planning pernission get passed by Warwickshire council." but its not making any sense

 

[Hobo]

One man went to mow, went to mow a meadow.............

 

[jesus-wept]

According to Steve they have and are waiting in replies from some councils but he didn't say which ones.

Think they have been waiting a while for answers, what about the local MPs asking the question. Less than 18 month to a General Election perhaps that could motivate them a bit.

 

[skybluejelly]

The speedway site and the nursery on the other side of the road are about 53 acres combined ...

 

[RPHunt]

I think there are a lot of 60 acre sites near the city that, with a bit of imagination, would be suitable for a football ground.

For instance, there is a lot of space alongside the M6 - we would only need a 150 yard wide strip about a mile long to get 60 acres. Allowing for a few shops and whatnot at the ends and spectators and access at the sides, it would be perfectly possible to have a pitch that conformed in area to the regulations.

It might have to be 10 yards wide and 1,000 yards long, which is outside of the regulations, but we all know how flexible they can be.

Edit: not likely to see many goalkeepers scoring on a pitch like that.

 

[The Gentleman]

If the mythical site is anywhere outside the boundary of the city and is close to greenbelt, forests or even a few trees, if there any houses nearby whose potential view will be spoiled by the stadium height then planners usually like the top of the roof to be below the tree line, otherwise they are likely to refuse it. They can usually get outline but when final plans are submitted, they will fuck them off. This is one of the things that stopped the proposed Peugeot site at the Jaguar on Browns Lane. Now after looking at the Disney impression of the proposed legoland and the height of the roof, I have been racking my brains to think of how many or even if any giant Canadian Redwood forests exist in the West Mids or Warwickshire to hide the stadium behind. Maybe that's where the buffoon has been, planting them. Ah well, only another 60 years to wait at Sixfields.

 

[italiahorse]

Between M6 J3 and the Leekes (was Makro). That's in Warwickshire.
200 Yds from Ricoh so should make it interesting !!!.

 

[chiefdave]

Between M6 J3 and the Leekes (was Makro). That's in Warwickshire.
200 Yds from Ricoh so should make it interesting !!!.

The bit that doesn't have anything on it at the moment? Anyone know how that's zoned for development or is it classed as greenfield. If it was there and the access was from the B4113 CCC wouldn't even be involved in infrastructure upgrades.

 

[wingy]

Must be greenfield and away from current development IMO but In a development zone ,equates to around £80K. per acre . Had a look

yesterday and found a 1.25 acre site In Longford yesterday £500K.+ , for reference I think agricultural comes In around £12-£15K.

 

[steveo1987]

Must be greenfield and away from current development IMO but In a development zone ,equates to around £80K. per acre . Had a look

yesterday and found a 1.25 acre site In Longford yesterday £500K.+ , for reference I think agricultural comes In around £12-£15K.

Try £7-8k per acre for agricultural land

 

[maddog]

Must be greenfield and away from current development IMO but In a development zone ,equates to around £80K. per acre . Had a look

yesterday and found a 1.25 acre site In Longford yesterday £500K.+ , for reference I think agricultural comes In around £12-£15K.

This government have thrown out a lot of greenfield protection and Odium/Shitzu would follow an appeal process that has been perfected by the likes of Tesco where they keep applying until they get what they want. Is there 60 acres the other side of Warwick Uni currently owned by the university as I gather this is where they are looking at?

 

[wingy]

Try £7-8k per acre for agricultural land

Sorry i stand corrected.

 

[chiefdave]

Odium/Shitzu would follow an appeal process that has been perfected by the likes of Tesco where they keep applying until they get what they want.

How long would that process take? You could be adding a lot more years playing in Northampton. Even at 3 -5 years you have to worry how many fans will be left when we come back. What about if its 5 - 10 years or longer?

 

[wingy]

This government have thrown out a lot of greenfield protection and Odium/Shitzu would follow an appeal process that has been perfected by the likes of Tesco where they keep applying until they get what they want. Is there 60 acres the other side of Warwick Uni currently owned by the university as I gather this is where they are looking at?

Would that be the Burton Green side or more to Kenilworth rd /A46?

 

[steveo1987]

Sorry i stand corrected.

sorry about that.I know someone who has a farm. Around 4-5 years ago it was £2k ish.

 

[wingy]

sorry about that.I know someone who has a farm. Around 4-5 years ago it was £2k ish.

Yeah I knew Its gone through the roof ,set to break £10K. in the next 3 yrs or so according to RICS.

 

[maddog]

Would that be the Burton Green side or more to Kenilworth rd /A46?

Haven't a clue and this may be bullshit but my brother knows a guy who has some dealings with SISU who says Joy Seppala told him it was near Warwick University as their site of choice. My own opinion is that I dont doubt plan A is to get the Ricoh on the cheap, but I think there are people who run the club now who are so one-eyed that they would stubbornly do anything to get one over on the Council. If that wasn't the case why persist with Sixfields. They count the players the commentators, the stewards and ball boys, not to mention all the free tickets the players get in the gate. Take those out, the neutrals locally who go in the Coventry end and there really arent many paying people supporting the City at all.