So if you think it is reasonable for the Council/ACL to be "hard nosed and heartless" but Its Only Business, then I assume you can understand SISU doing just the same?
Isn't the reality that the business connections of CCFC to the Ricoh have all but been severed. It would seem to me that the only connection is the big sign on the side of the stadium.
The two companies that actually had a contract to play there are now empty shells and about to be struck off
The liquidator has disclaimed the lease and licence so that no longer exists
There are no contracts between ACL and Otium Entertainment Group Ltd
There is no commerce being conducted between ACL and OEG
There are no talks at any senior level between ACL and OEG
Like it or not ACL have their own business to run, it might not be what the CCFC fans want to see, but ACL have no immediate responsibility to CCFC fans any more. If someone else wants to use the stadium bowl from a business point of view why turn it down when CCFC have already repeatedly said they wont come back and rent in any shape or form It might seem hard nosed and heartless but is no more so than moving the club 35 miles away from the majority of its fans for a projected 5 years. It is just business however (on both sides)
Take away the emotion and you are left on both sides with cold business, the business of financial survival. (please don't read that as either side is about to go bust it is not what I am saying)
If people choose to protest ACL out that's their right....... but to what end, how would it work, who would pay the cost, etc...... also get the actual structure right SISU never negotiated with ACL for 50% of the business they talked with the Charity about that
Isn't the reality that the business connections of CCFC to the Ricoh have all but been severed. It would seem to me that the only connection is the big sign on the side of the stadium.
The two companies that actually had a contract to play there are now empty shells and about to be struck off
The liquidator has disclaimed the lease and licence so that no longer exists
There are no contracts between ACL and Otium Entertainment Group Ltd
There is no commerce being conducted between ACL and OEG
There are no talks at any senior level between ACL and OEG
Like it or not ACL have their own business to run, it might not be what the CCFC fans want to see, but ACL have no immediate responsibility to CCFC fans any more. If someone else wants to use the stadium bowl from a business point of view why turn it down when CCFC have already repeatedly said they wont come back and rent in any shape or form It might seem hard nosed and heartless but is no more so than moving the club 35 miles away from the majority of its fans for a projected 5 years. It is just business however (on both sides)
Take away the emotion and you are left on both sides with cold business, the business of financial survival. (please don't read that as either side is about to go bust it is not what I am saying)
If people choose to protest ACL out that's their right....... but to what end, how would it work, who would pay the cost, etc...... also get the actual structure right SISU never negotiated with ACL for 50% of the business they talked with the Charity about that
It has to be said that I agree to an extent with the OP, more pressure does need to be applied to ACL/CCC then what currently has been, we can sing "back to the Ricoh" towards our owners but it's not helping, ACL/CCC need to feel the heat as well and that is where the protests will fail as it's all one sided against the owners and CCC can look back and smile in that respect.
So if you think it is reasonable for the Council/ACL to be "hard nosed and heartless" but Its Only Business, then I assume you can understand SISU doing just the same?
A few on here recently have suggested that more pressure/protest needs to be directed at ACL/CCC, what exactly is it you are asking for and what realistically do you expect them to do or be able to do bearing in mind the restrictions based on them? Can they do offer more than they already have done?
A few on here recently have suggested that more pressure/protest needs to be directed at ACL/CCC, what exactly is it you are asking for and what realistically do you expect them to do or be able to do bearing in mind the restrictions based on them? Can they do offer more than they already have done?
The reason for this is ofcourse Leicester under 21s playing at the Ricoh and discussing the potential sale of half the stadium then going back on it, maybe an agreement could be made between SISU and the council and/or the Higgs with ACL out of the picture?
What a load of shite.
How else can ACL make the Ricoh pay its own way.
Covpete you are complete idiot.
There needs to be more Clarity from Ann Lucas that's for sure, Lucas goes on about trying to get the best deal for Coventry but actually you can't negotiate bugger all with her or that's what she said on the Breakfast show with Shane O'Connor, so why mess everyone's time thinking that she negotiate for what the Club want?
It has to be said that I agree to an extent with the OP, more pressure does need to be applied to ACL/CCC then what currently has been, we can sing "back to the Ricoh" towards our owners but it's not helping, ACL/CCC need to feel the heat as well and that is where the protests will fail as it's all one sided against the owners and CCC can look back and smile in that respect.
The thing is, there's a very clear and obvious thing to protest about with regard to the owners. The simple fact is that they could bring the team back to the Ricoh and still do all the things that they seem to want to do (negotiate to purchase freehold or bits of ACL, or even build a new ground). And they could do that and still make more money for the club than they are making now. But they won't. I think that deserves challenge at every opportunity, and it's a protest with a clear aim; bring the club home.
With regard to the Council, what exactly are we asking for:
Sell ACL?
The council don't own or have a controlling interest of ACL. It's not clear that SISU even want to buy ACL, they seem to prefer it to be liquidated.
Sell the encumbered freehold?
It seems that this might be open to offer, but again it doesn't seem this is enough for SISU.
Sell the unencumbered freehold?
As above, the council don't own ACL, or the other tenants at the arena. So they'd have to break leases, and compensate those tenants. By law, they also have to maximise returns on the sales, and can't be seen to favour one party over another.
So - what exactly would we demand from the council, what would our protest ask for?
There needs to be more Clarity from Ann Lucas that's for sure, Lucas goes on about trying to get the best deal for Coventry but actually you can't negotiate bugger all with her or that's what she said on the Breakfast show with Shane O'Connor, so why mess everyone's time thinking that she negotiate for what the Club want?
If it was me personally I'd like to start by knowing what financial impact leaving the Ricoh has had on local businesses, because although we centre on the CCC/CCFC fiasco there are probably other businesses losing out somewhere, like public houses, etc.
There absolutely will be serious financial implications for some businesses, quite hard to compile this data though and I don't see how it makes any difference to anything? its just another stick you should be using to beat sisu with. It's absolutely not one to beat acl or the council with, especially after rent free play was offered.
The rent free was only offered after City had left, if ACL had made the offer way back when we might not of been in this situation.. I am not saying either side should be held accountable in this instance, I just think it would be interesting information is all.
If it was me personally I'd like to start by knowing what financial impact leaving the Ricoh has had on local businesses, because although we centre on the CCC/CCFC fiasco there are probably other businesses losing out somewhere, like public houses, etc.
So what is stopping you then? There are plenty of options available, a protest outside the Council House, or a protest at the Ricoh Arena, or stand at the local elections. If sufficient fans support your viewpoint then a protest shouldn't be too difficult to organise , the fact that the only protest outside the Council House drew such pitiful support suggest that overwhelmingly most fans do hold SISU mainly responsible.It has to be said that I agree to an extent with the OP, more pressure does need to be applied to ACL/CCC then what currently has been, we can sing "back to the Ricoh" towards our owners but it's not helping, ACL/CCC need to feel the heat as well and that is where the protests will fail as it's all one sided against the owners and CCC can look back and smile in that respect.
So what is stopping you then? There are plenty of options available, a protest outside the Council House, or a protest at the Ricoh Arena, or stand at the local elections. If sufficient fans support your viewpoint then a protest shouldn't be too difficult to organise , the fact that the only protest outside the Council House drew such pitiful support suggest that overwhelmingly most fans do hold SISU mainly responsible.
Wasn't the reason McGinnity offered for not doing a Leicester and putting us into Admin something like all the local suppliers and businesses would lose money and be far less likely to work with us again?
Think the local businesses and suppliers he was concerned about losing money if we went into admin were himself and Geoffrey.
If it was me personally I'd like to start by knowing what financial impact leaving the Ricoh has had on local businesses, because although we centre on the CCC/CCFC fiasco there are probably other businesses losing out somewhere, like public houses, etc.
The reason for this is ofcourse Leicester under 21s playing at the Ricoh and discussing the potential sale of half the stadium then going back on it, maybe an agreement could be made between SISU and the council and/or the Higgs with ACL out of the picture?
I don't want ACL out and I don't want Sisu out, I just want our club back home.
What percentage do you want our club back home though?
I hear what you're saying, but the question was "So - what exactly would we demand from the council, what would our protest ask for?".
Apologies, but I don't think you've quite answered the question.
I think we can all guess that there have been local businesses hurt by all this - but it doesn't quite answer the question regarding what the focus of the protest should be, does it?
Again, not intending to have a cheap dig here, I'm genuinely wondering what the focus of a protest at the Council House would be.
I did miss it apologies, I personally want
Clarity on the situation from the Council, I don't think they've been open enough considering we pay x amount of Tax, although I can understand with the JR their hands tied slightly..
Can you please elaborate on what you mean by clarity ?
Can you offer a rent free deal to someone who isn't paying any rent?
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