Actual Nazis in America (11 Viewers)

[SkyblueBazza]

Interested to know why? Would you not consider a lone wolf islamist driving a car at a crowd a terrorist attack?

I actually said that I consider this event to be a terrorist attack, didn't I?

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[martcov]

Nope.

He isn't your cup of tea because he stood up to your beloved Mekel's EU and exposed it for what it is... A crumbling, corrupt institution geared to advance the German economy.

That's why you despise him and are so obsessed by him.

Actually, you cannot have read the news lately. Macron huge win. Pro EU. Merkel comfortable win predicted. Pro EU. The crumbling institution without direction appears to be the negotiating team of the U.K. Government. I am not obsessed with the tosser, but he was heavily involved in this disastrous vote and has to be called to account.

 

[torchomatic]

Nope.

He isn't your cup of tea because he stood up to your beloved Mekel's EU and exposed it for what it is... A crumbling, corrupt institution geared to advance the German economy.

That's why you despise him and are so obsessed by him.

I'm sure you have similar feelings towards me but I am so pleased people with your attitude are in the minority in this country. God help us if your views were in the ascendancy.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

The referendum was not called on a particular point which was so controversial and important at that moment that it would have been sensible to put it to the people. It was called because of right wing Tories not liking the EU, and the fact that UKIP was nibbling into Tory support. Nothing directly to do with the current EU terms or the welfare of the country as a whole, but just to save the Tory party from a possible split or loss of votes. It should never have been held - regardless of the outcome - and there is every reason to think about a second referendum based on what we now know instead of just BS from both sides.

It WAS called on a single point.

Do you want in or, do you want out?

The reasons we are going around in circles with yet again (& way off topic) are pretty irrelevant. Why? Because people cast their vote how they did upon factors important & personal to THEM, probably with view to what will be best for future generations...influenced by how they see the EU has impacted things to date, given what is important to THEM.

Meanwhile back on topic. Racism is abhorrent. In the US I suspect Trump will gradually tone down his rhetoric to leave such extremists feeling abandoned or at least let down. That's what happens with every elected leader in every country. Its the nature of things...they promise the earth to everyone - but they only deliver a fair bit to their own minority financial backers, & a little bit to the majority. The non-financial backers minority are left in despair & look to vote for someone else next time.

The concern for me is that whether it is left or right politically, the current trend is to ridicule, shout down, discredit, deride or stop listening (other than to selectively leap onto things which allow any of the above) to others. The ultimate aim being unspoken but something akin to 'how dare you hold a view different to mine'...THAT is intolerance...& just the same thought process held by political, religious etc extremists.

Maybe the apparent anger & intolerance in expressed views on here indicate that extremism is pretty strong on both sides of the spectrum?

Get a grip, & question your own views as much as you do others is my advise to everyone (and I include myself in that!)

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[clint van damme]

I actually said that I consider this event to be a terrorist attack, didn't I?

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Apologies, you did.

 

[clint van damme]

It WAS called on a single point.

Do you want in or, do you want out?

The reasons we are going around in circles with yet again (& way off topic) are pretty irrelevant. Why? Because people cast their vote how they did upon factors important & personal to THEM, probably with view to what will be best for future generations...influenced by how they see the EU has impacted things to date, given what is important to THEM.

Meanwhile back on topic. Racism is abhorrent. In the US I suspect Trump will gradually tone down his rhetoric to leave such extremists feeling abandoned or at least let down. That's what happens with every elected leader in every country. Its the nature of things...they promise the earth to everyone - but they only deliver a fair bit to their own minority financial backers, & a little bit to the majority. The non-financial backers minority are left in despair & look to vote for someone else next time.

The concern for me is that whether it is left or right politically, the current trend is to ridicule, shout down, discredit, deride or stop listening (other than to selectively leap onto things which allow any of the above) to others. The ultimate aim being unspoken but something akin to 'how dare you hold a view different to mine'...THAT is intolerance...& just the same thought process held by political, religious etc extremists.

Maybe the apparent anger & intolerance in expressed views on here indicate that extremism is pretty strong on both sides of the spectrum?

Get a grip, & question your own views as much as you do others is my advise to everyone (and I include myself in that!)

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current trend?! It's been going since the 80s at least. The sun and their loony left headlines.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

current trend?! It's been going since the 80s at least. The sun and their loony left headlines.

This is true...along with the scare stories about everything from immigration to health issues to etc.

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[clint van damme]

This is true...along with the scare stories about everything from immigration to health issues to etc.

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there is also the added dimension of social media now which probably exasperates things.
Though it can also be quite helpful. See it broke on social media yesterday that Corbyn had been telling the truth all along in his spat with Virgin Trains. A minor story but the truth probably would never have came out.

 

[martcov]

It WAS called on a single point.

Do you want in or, do you want out?

The reasons we are going around in circles with yet again (& way off topic) are pretty irrelevant. Why? Because people cast their vote how they did upon factors important & personal to THEM, probably with view to what will be best for future generations...influenced by how they see the EU has impacted things to date, given what is important to THEM.

Meanwhile back on topic. Racism is abhorrent. In the US I suspect Trump will gradually tone down his rhetoric to leave such extremists feeling abandoned or at least let down. That's what happens with every elected leader in every country. Its the nature of things...they promise the earth to everyone - but they only deliver a fair bit to their own minority financial backers, & a little bit to the majority. The non-financial backers minority are left in despair & look to vote for someone else next time.

The concern for me is that whether it is left or right politically, the current trend is to ridicule, shout down, discredit, deride or stop listening (other than to selectively leap onto things which allow any of the above) to others. The ultimate aim being unspoken but something akin to 'how dare you hold a view different to mine'...THAT is intolerance...& just the same thought process held by political, religious etc extremists.

Maybe the apparent anger & intolerance in expressed views on here indicate that extremism is pretty strong on both sides of the spectrum?

Get a grip, & question your own views as much as you do others is my advise to everyone (and I include myself in that!)

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It was not called on a particular point. Yes or no to the whole thing without a specific current reason for doing so. For instance a forced creation of an EU army would be a significant alteration of enough importance to maybe justify a referendum. There was no particular event in our case.

As regards all politicians promising the earth and not delivering. Trump has lied more than any other to date - he has been fact checked and compared to others. Trump has passed no significant legislation yet. Trump is far worse than any other president in this respect.

It is not extremism on both sides. A lot of republicans actually voice the same opinions as myself. The extremism is not on the republican side as a whole. It is on a particular part of the republican base, and they have been attracted away from traditional republicanism by Trump and his unsavoury team ( who general Kelly is luckily clearing out ). Fair play to general Kelly and his military colleagues BTW. They seem to be pulling the rug from under Trump.

 

[Sick Boy]

Nope.

He isn't your cup of tea because he stood up to your beloved Mekel's EU and exposed it for what it is... A crumbling, corrupt institution geared to advance the German economy.

That's why you despise him and are so obsessed by him.

How is it crumbling? When is the Euro going to collapse? Genuine questions.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'm sure you have similar feelings towards me but I am so pleased people with your attitude are in the minority in this country. God help us if your views were in the ascendancy.

Luckily the likes of Ernie, Grendal et al are very much in the minority.

 

[Sick Boy]

It WAS called on a single point.

Do you want in or, do you want out?

The reasons we are going around in circles with yet again (& way off topic) are pretty irrelevant. Why? Because people cast their vote how they did upon factors important & personal to THEM, probably with view to what will be best for future generations...influenced by how they see the EU has impacted things to date, given what is important to THEM.

Meanwhile back on topic. Racism is abhorrent. In the US I suspect Trump will gradually tone down his rhetoric to leave such extremists feeling abandoned or at least let down. That's what happens with every elected leader in every country. Its the nature of things...they promise the earth to everyone - but they only deliver a fair bit to their own minority financial backers, & a little bit to the majority. The non-financial backers minority are left in despair & look to vote for someone else next time.

The concern for me is that whether it is left or right politically, the current trend is to ridicule, shout down, discredit, deride or stop listening (other than to selectively leap onto things which allow any of the above) to others. The ultimate aim being unspoken but something akin to 'how dare you hold a view different to mine'...THAT is intolerance...& just the same thought process held by political, religious etc extremists.

Maybe the apparent anger & intolerance in expressed views on here indicate that extremism is pretty strong on both sides of the spectrum?

Get a grip, & question your own views as much as you do others is my advise to everyone (and I include myself in that!)

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When you have the likes of the Daily Mail trying to undermine democracy in this country and labelling people as Remoaners and Saboteurs, are you surprised there is anger?

 

[Grendel]

Could you be more specific on the meaning of "out"? What does it entail and which parts of "out" did you vote for?

I voted out of the EU pretty clear to me.

 

[Grendel]

Luckily the likes of Ernie, Grendal et al are very much in the minority.

What - believing in democracy and the will of the many than the few? Yes probably.

 

[Kingokings204]

How is it crumbling? When is the Euro going to collapse? Genuine questions.

I wouldn't call brexit a glowing endorsement for the EU. I remember Ireland voted twice no in a referendum and were told to vote again. Remember that?

France and Netherlands voted no in 2005 and it was ignored. Do you remember that? I do.

Although tbf to you Britain was always a square peg in a round hole. We didn't join the euro (thank goodness) and not part of Schengen.

 

[clint van damme]

I voted out of the EU pretty clear to me.

so did you know about issues like Euratom or pharmacy regulation prior to the vote because I didn't to be honest but they're big issues.
As i said earlier, if it weren't for the clowns we have in government I probably would have voted leave but knowing about issues like the above may have changed my mind but I was oblivious and I read up a fair bit prior to the vote.

We live in a country where a handful of media moguls set the agenda and it's not healthy for 95% of the population.

i don't believe there was clarity about what leave means. I don't expect you though they'd be shipping boat loads of immigrants back to where they came from the day after the referendum but there were people who did.

 

[Sick Boy]

I wouldn't call brexit a glowing endorsement for the EU. I remember Ireland voted twice no in a referendum and were told to vote again. Remember that?

France and Netherlands voted no in 2005 and it was ignored. Do you remember that? I do.

Although tbf to you Britain was always a square peg in a round hole. We didn't join the euro (thank goodness) and not part of Schengen.

Yes and none of those country look close to leaving any time soon, despite what we were told last year. There are some who are unable to accept Britain's diminished influence and still seem to believe we call the shots.

 

[Grendel]

so did you know about issues like Euratom or pharmacy regulation prior to the vote because I didn't to be honest but they're big issues.
As i said earlier, if it weren't for the clowns we have in government I probably would have voted leave but knowing about issues like the above may have changed my mind but I was oblivious and I read up a fair bit prior to the vote.

We live in a country where a handful of media moguls set the agenda and it's not healthy for 95% of the population.

i don't believe there was clarity about what leave means. I don't expect you though they'd be shipping boat loads of immigrants back to where they came from the day after the referendum but there were people who did.

It would be the same if we had a referendum to join as well though wouldn't it?

It's fairly obvious that people wouldn't know the intricate detail they'd vote on their general overall feeling. People no doubt thought that about immigration but also some thought we'd be kicked out of the European championships so voted to stay.

There were two elements to this. One - Cameron had specifically in his manifesto to have a referendum. Clegg and Milliband were classic euriphiles. Guess what? Cameron against all the odds won the election.

Then there was the referendum itself.

So the public wanted a referendum and they got it and then voted for leave. The other point to consider is the Tories actually attracted more votes in this election than for many many years on a leave agenda. Labour also said we must leave and must leave the single market - they were very specific about that and also recorded higher voting than many years.
The one party wanting a second referendum were pitifully rejected at the ballot box.

The debate is over.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I voted out of the EU pretty clear to me.

All for a Corbyn vision of out, then?

 

[Sick Boy]

It would be the same if we had a referendum to join as well though wouldn't it?

It's fairly obvious that people wouldn't know the intricate detail they'd vote on their general overall feeling. People no doubt thought that about immigration but also some thought we'd be kicked out of the European championships so voted to stay.

There were two elements to this. One - Cameron had specifically in his manifesto to have a referendum. Clegg and Milliband were classic euriphiles. Guess what? Cameron against all the odds won the election.

Then there was the referendum itself.

So the public wanted a referendum and they got it and then voted for leave. The other point to consider is the Tories actually attracted more votes in this election than for many many years on a leave agenda. Labour also said we must leave and must leave the single market - they were very specific about that and also recorded higher voting than many years.
The one party wanting a second referendum were pitifully rejected at the ballot box.

The debate is over.

Apart from the election wasn't fought with Brexit as the main focus, was it?

 

[martcov]

I voted out of the EU pretty clear to me.

ok. Please explain your reasoning to Davis and his team so that he can negotiate on your points. Nobody else seems to know what we are negotiating about. The EU put their negotiating points to the EU Council and Parliament. They know what leave means for them and where there should be negotiations, and they have a democratic mandate on these points. We have only got "out" on our side.

 

[Grendel]

All for a Corbyn vision of out, then?

His personal vision? Yes absolutely. You?

 

[martcov]

I wouldn't call brexit a glowing endorsement for the EU. I remember Ireland voted twice no in a referendum and were told to vote again. Remember that?

France and Netherlands voted no in 2005 and it was ignored. Do you remember that? I do.

Although tbf to you Britain was always a square peg in a round hole. We didn't join the euro (thank goodness) and not part of Schengen.

Brexit is not a glowing endorsement of UK politics. It was called by a remainer from a "can't lose" position and Remain still lost. The people who had no idea what they were voting for except an imaginary idea of "out is out", or Brexit means Brexit, actually won. The government is playing catch up as they didn't expect to have to carry this "out" through. Good luck with that.

 

[Grendel]

Apart from the election wasn't fought with Brexit as the main focus, was it?

Why? If the scare mongerers are telling the truth we are less than 2 years from the end of the world aren't we?

 

[martcov]

It would be the same if we had a referendum to join as well though wouldn't it?

It's fairly obvious that people wouldn't know the intricate detail they'd vote on their general overall feeling. People no doubt thought that about immigration but also some thought we'd be kicked out of the European championships so voted to stay.

There were two elements to this. One - Cameron had specifically in his manifesto to have a referendum. Clegg and Milliband were classic euriphiles. Guess what? Cameron against all the odds won the election.

Then there was the referendum itself.

So the public wanted a referendum and they got it and then voted for leave. The other point to consider is the Tories actually attracted more votes in this election than for many many years on a leave agenda. Labour also said we must leave and must leave the single market - they were very specific about that and also recorded higher voting than many years.
The one party wanting a second referendum were pitifully rejected at the ballot box.

The debate is over.

The debate obviously is far from over. There are a lot of unhappy remainers and leavers out there. Until we get a deal which the vast majority approve of, there will continue to be a debate and recriminations. Good luck with that.

 

[martcov]

Why? If the scare mongerers are telling the truth we are less than 2 years from the end of the world aren't we?

We are less than 2 years from a major economic downturn. The wobbling has already started. Enjoy.

 

[Sick Boy]

Why? If the scare mongerers are telling the truth we are less than 2 years from the end of the world aren't we?

...what was the time frame on Turkey joining the EU and millions of Turks arriving? When's the EU falling apart and all those other countries going to follow the UK's and USA's populism?

 

[Sick Boy]

We are less than 2 years from a major economic downturn. The wobbling has already started. Enjoy.

He has little regard for society, as long as he is getting his bonus, who cares?

 

[Grendel]

The debate obviously is far from over. There are a lot of unhappy remainers and leavers out there. Until we get a deal which the vast majority approve of, there will continue to be a debate and recriminations. Good luck with that.

Well you would love some recriminations against the will of the people wouldn't you.

More evidence of what you and your type really stand for.

 

[Grendel]

He has little regard for society, as long as he is getting his bonus, who cares?

You have little regard what people think unless it's what you think - then they are pigeon holed as stupid, racist, unworthy of choice.

If remain had won by 51% to 49% I'd have accepted it and moved on as the people had spoken.

Why, when the people speak, do you want to ignore them?

You should join the silly Nazi lot Chatlottesville. You'd proper have more in common with them than you'd think.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

His personal vision? Yes absolutely. You?

Surprises me tbh, never had you down as Trotskyist who fancied import tariffs, higher taxes, further state aid and unrestricted immigration.

 

[Sick Boy]

I agree- he knows how to appeal to a huge base. Whether it's religious or racist. And that's the point. He knows how to appeal to racists but he's not one. He'll do what he has to to gain support- just like all politicans. Also, this is the flip side to what you said first,
Trump is white (not really white, kind of orange, but white enough), and Obama gave him grief throughout his entire campaign. He is also being blocked by the democrats and even federal judges in everything he tries to do. Many also believe he is racist, homophobic, and a bigot, and this is fueled by CNN, and various figures including vertually all celebrities, who cannot stand that an old white man who speaks his mind has replaced his former president.
Whatever your preference is, you cannot deny that Trump is the flip-side of Obama and that Obama's tenure has led us here.

Shameful that a black president has led to one who appeals to bigots and racists, and who put Bannon into power. This is supposed to be a key partner of Brexit Britian? Fucking hell.

 

[martcov]

Well you would love some recriminations against the will of the people wouldn't you.

More evidence of what you and your type really stand for.

Against the likes of Farage, Gove and BoJo. What do I really stand for? Iyo

 

[martcov]

I agree- he knows how to appeal to a huge base. Whether it's religious or racist. And that's the point. He knows how to appeal to racists but he's not one. He'll do what he has to to gain support- just like all politicans. Also, this is the flip side to what you said first,
Trump is white (not really white, kind of orange, but white enough), and Obama gave him grief throughout his entire campaign. He is also being blocked by the democrats and even federal judges in everything he tries to do. Many also believe he is racist, homophobic, and a bigot, and this is fueled by CNN, and various figures including vertually all celebrities, who cannot stand that an old white man who speaks his mind has replaced his former president.
Whatever your preference is, you cannot deny that Trump is the flip-side of Obama and that Obama's tenure has led us here.

No. He has a republican majority in the House and in the Senate. It should be easy peasy for a capable republican. How did Obama give a New York property speculator grief throughout his campaign? The truth about him being racist, homophobic and bigot is reported by most of the media. He just likes to concentrate on knocking CNN. No comparison of flip sides. Trump is a dick. Obama isn't. Simples.

 

[martcov]

Shameful that a black president has led to one who appeals to bigots and racists, and who put Bannon into power. This is supposed to be a key partner of Brexit Britian? Fucking hell.

Farage called Trump's way of speaking "refreshing" and said the Donald is very loyal. Nuff said on that.