Actual Nazis in America (5 Viewers)

Kingokings204 · Aug 30, 2017

On a EU note I saw the poll yesterday that said over 70% of britons don't want to pay over 20b for the divorce bill. No details of why the bill is 50-100b. Classic bully boy tactics.

We owe a couple of billion at most and get the hell outa there. Heck they should be paying us to go. And quick.

(Sorry wrong thread)

Grendel · Aug 30, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
And Sarah champion? She lost her job because she spoke out against Muslim gangs raping white children.

Or maybe she should of said was Naz shah said and that these white children should shut up for the sake of diversity?

Ah year dear old Naz Shah who said all Jews should be transported from Israel to America. Not an anti Semite you understand. Ken Livingston said so.

Kingokings204 · Aug 30, 2017

Grendel said:
Ah year dear old Naz Shah who said all Jews should be transported from Israel to America. Not an anti Semite you understand. Ken Livingston said so.

No you must be mistaken he is lovely guy and well supported labour member.

This same Ken Livingston?

Eight dodgy things Ken Livingstone has said about Jews, and Hitler

Capatalists are worse than Hitler is my personal highlight.

chiefdave · Aug 30, 2017

Christ Earlsdon, don't ever go out on a Friday or Saturday night if you're classing being splashed with water as assault and violence.

Grendel · Aug 30, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
No you must be mistaken he is lovely guy and well supported labour member.

This same Ken Livingston?

Eight dodgy things Ken Livingstone has said about Jews, and Hitler

Capatalists are worse than Hitler is my personal highlight.

Indeed. It's wonderful to see Mr Livingston heap praise on the Muslim cleric Yusuf Qaradawi as "the progressive face of Islam" and numerous pictures of them embracing fondly.

In not sure which of his views Mr Livingston views as progressive. Perhaps that all homosexuals should be imprisoned and made outcasts? That men can beat disobedient wives? How about his advocacy for FGM? Or is it he wants to bomb all Jews off the planet?

Mmmm I'm going for number 4.

I did also struggle to understand why Mr Livingston refused to condemn prospective Labour MP John Clarke who retweeted a post from a right wing extremist saying his views that America was "run by Jews" and that they should be removed from Israel. The original tweeter denies the holocaust ever happened and Hitler was "about right". When challenged on the Hitler statement in an interview with Andrew Neal he muttered it was "a bit silly"

Still Mr Livingston thinks that Hitler had the Jews interests at heart in the beginning and just went a "bit mad and killed 6 million of them"

Still not as bad a Britain. Oh no, our treatment of the Irish was far worse than "what Hitler did to the Jews"

Of course it was. Oh and of course Mr Livingston isn't anti Semite of course not. His friend Jeremy told us so.

And he's still in the Labour Party.

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What do you think about all the Antifa violence towards people that:

1) Aren't in wheelchairs
2) Aren't Nazi's

?

I am against all violence.... unless of course self defence.

I don't like the black block ( schwarzer Block hier ). I don't ( didn't ) like the Anti Nazi League in the 70s. I went to a meeting of the Trades Council in the 70s and they ( the ANL ) were there discussing tactics. Not my scene. I was at a National Front meeting ( purely out of interest ) at the same era in the 70s, and they were discussing their tactics - simiar to the ANL, but with the instructions always to be the victims. Let the left attack first at the NF demo. Ladywood in Birmingham and something at Reading were the targets/ places of their demonstrations at that time. The left should appear as the aggressors. Martin Webster gave the speech outlining the tactics. That wasn't my scene either, but it was a useful education.

The tactics haven't changed much on the right or left and you may catch me protesting, say, a Trump visit, but you won't catch me beating any one up or throwing stones etc..

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Grendel said:
Indeed. It's wonderful to see Mr Livingston heap praise on the Muslim cleric Yusuf Qaradawi as "the progressive face of Islam" and numerous pictures of them embracing fondly.

In not sure which of his views Mr Livingston views as progressive. Perhaps that all homosexuals should be imprisoned and made outcasts? That men can beat disobedient wives? How about his advocacy for FGM? Or is it he wants to bomb all Jews off the planet?

Mmmm I'm going for number 4.

I did also struggle to understand why Mr Livingston refused to condemn prospective Labour MP John Clarke who retweeted a post from a right wing extremist saying his views that America was "run by Jews" and that they should be removed from Israel. The original tweeter denies the holocaust ever happened and Hitler was "about right". When challenged on the Hitler statement in an interview with Andrew Neal he muttered it was "a bit silly"

Still Mr Livingston thinks that Hitler had the Jews interests at heart in the beginning and just went a "bit mad and killed 6 million of them"

Still not as bad a Britain. Oh no, our treatment of the Irish was far worse than "what Hitler did to the Jews"

Of course it was. Oh and of course Mr Livingston isn't anti Semite of course not. His friend Jeremy told us so.

And he's still in the Labour Party.

You won't get me standing up for Livingston or being convinced that Hitler had Jewish interests at heart. A lot of 'silly' things are coming out now. The vice prime minister of Japan has just agreed that Hitler's strategy was correct. He is known for bad statements, but this is a bit direct even for him. A member of the AFD Party has said that Hitler was not all bad and we shouldn't see it as just black and white. Another member of the AFD has said that Germany should "entsorg" a Minister of Turkish descent in Anatolia. Entsorgen means dispose of....but can hint at disposing of in a bad way in such circumstances. He refuses to apologise.

It's not just Trump, but as the most powerful man in the Western world he is setting the scene for some sort of resurgence of the old right. Alt is the German for old, so the term Alt Right hints at the German "Alt" right. I don't see that as a coincidence.

Ashdown · Aug 30, 2017

martcov said:
I am against all violence.... unless of course self defence.

I don't like the black block ( schwarzer Block hier ). I don't ( didn't ) like the Anti Nazi League in the 70s. I went to a meeting of the Trades Council in the 70s and they ( the ANL ) were there discussing tactics. Not my scene. I was at a National Front meeting ( purely out of interest ) at the same era in the 70s, and they were discussing their tactics - simiar to the ANL, but with the instructions always to be the victims. Let the left attack first at the NF demo. Ladywood in Birmingham and something at Reading were the targets/ places of their demonstrations at that time. The left should appear as the aggressors. Martin Webster gave the speech outlining the tactics. That wasn't my scene either, but it was a useful education.

The tactics haven't changed much on the right or left and you may catch me protesting, say, a Trump visit, but you won't catch me beating any one up or throwing stones etc..

Oh dear, true colours are showing !! We used to hang traitors on Gibbet Hill and elsewhere !

Ashdown · Aug 30, 2017

martcov said:
Germany...Yes, like taking in hundreds of thousands of refugees from a war zone.... EU..the Brits send billions of pounds to the EU, a lot of which is used to improve the infrastructure in Eastern Europe, which in turn helps trade and in turn people's incomes rise, which in turn gives them more spending power and aleviates poverty, which in turn helps British trade and will in the end ease the pressure to migrate from Eastern Europe. In the meantime Britain has benefitted enormously economically from EU migration - despite postal workers in Chatham and potatoe pickers in Boston not being impressed. Germans do generally do things carefully ( Merkel taking the iniative in a humanitarian crisis being the exception to the rule ) - they learnt the hard way not to try foreign policy experiments. Still, the UK has Brexit as an experiment. Let's see if we learn from this.

They'll cherry pick the talent and move on the rest once they have issued documents ! We'll get the warehouse operatives when Merkel has furnished them with a EU passport, Besides way before Germany starting taking people the UK has absorbed folk from the old commonwealth for seven decades.

Oh you think with the logistics involved and all the bad propaganda British products will get a look in in Eastern Europe versus Berlin ?

Britain's ruling classes have had cheap labour from the EU whilst our infrastructure, hospitals, roads and schooling have all been put under crippling strain by the numbers and usage. All the time wages and earnings have been suppressed by cheap foreign labour.

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Ashdown said:
They'll cherry pick the talent and move on the rest once they have issued documents ! We'll get the warehouse operatives when Merkel has furnished them with a EU passport, Besides way before Germany starting taking people the UK has absorbed folk from the old commonwealth for seven decades.

Oh you think with the logistics involved and all the bad propaganda British products will get a look in in Eastern Europe versus Berlin ?

Britain's ruling classes have had cheap labour from the EU whilst our infrastructure, hospitals, roads and schooling have all been put under crippling strain by the numbers and usage. All the time wages and earnings have been suppressed by cheap foreign labour.

Taking people from a war zone is not the same as inviting bus drivers from the Caribean.

As regards the logistics, they don't seem to be a problem for Brexiteers. They see our Commonwealth as an alternative to Europe. Poland is a lot nearer than New Zealand. Bad propaganda? Britain was actually liked here on the continent - before they started being the great Brexit country.

Cheap labour? Who's is responsible for that? Raise the minimum wage and enforce it strictly. That would stop wage dumping. How many of the migrants who you say are undercutting UK wages can afford to run cars and destroy the British infrastructure? Who works in the NH Service? A large number of migrants keeping the hospitals going. Not enough schools? Who is in charge of providing education?

I think a lot of these disadvantages either are exagerated or should be solved by the government as Britain has apparently profited form migration. Where is the money?

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Ashdown said:
Oh dear, true colours are showing !! We used to hang traitors on Gibbet Hill and elsewhere !

How am I a traitor? Just because I didn't join the NF and/ or support Brexit or UKIP? The traitors are the ones who put their personal prejudices before the future of the country. We used to put Nazis on trial in the 40s ( and hang them ). Now we ( some of us ) try and make excuses for them...

Grendel · Aug 30, 2017

martcov said:
How am I a traitor? Just because I didn't join the NF and/ or support Brexit or UKIP? The traitors are the ones who put their personal prejudices before the future of the country. We used to put Nazis on trial in the 40s ( and hang them ). Now we ( some of us ) try and make excuses for them...

Indeed - like the Labour Party and their supporters making excuses for Mr Livingstone.....

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
On a EU note I saw the poll yesterday that said over 70% of britons don't want to pay over 20b for the divorce bill. No details of why the bill is 50-100b. Classic bully boy tactics.

We owe a couple of billion at most and get the hell outa there. Heck they should be paying us to go. And quick.

(Sorry wrong thread)

I don't want to pay much tax. Classic bully boy tactics from the government. Can you tell the EU how you get the figure of a couple of billion? Do you know how to calculate the divorce bill? Do you know what we have signed up to? I don't think you do. I think there should have been an asessment of the potential costs of leaving before the referendum. If people knew in advance that it would be over 20 Bn for nothing of value to our future, then maybe they would have voted remain and got some value for the money put into the EU by staying in the club.

It is so stupid. You didn't even know there would be obligations to be met when leaving when you voted leave. Another thing you didn't know about, yet you claim you knew exactly what you voted for and you assume everyone voted for exactly the same as you.

Only 52% of voters caused this. Not the majority of citizens. And they didn't even know what the were voting for and still don't know what the end result will be. What a cock up.

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Grendel said:
Indeed - like the Labour Party and their supporters making excuses for Mr Livingstone.....

What has me not joining the NF, and us previously hanging Nazis instead of trying to deflect from their show of force, got to do with the labour party? I have never voted labour. Just to annoy people like yourself, I used to always vote liberal ( lib dems ). I still do here in local elections where I am allowed to vote. Not even voting for Merkel's party. Although I hope she wins again. I like having an intelligent leader with some moral fibre instead of the likes of May, Cameron or Trump.......and I would never ever ever ever vote for that slimy turd Farage. Best of luck with May BTW.

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Grendel said:
Indeed - like the Labour Party and their supporters making excuses for Mr Livingstone.....

Or are you trying to say Livingstone is a Nazi? I think he is objectionable, but I doubt whether he marches saying "We will not be replaced by Jews" or "Blood and Soil". Says stupid things, but is not in the league with the people marching in Charlottesville. You are quick enough to condemn him though. Where are the "yes but..s" where is the qualification or deflection to someone else? Why don't you point out that other people were saying bad things? You won't. nor will some others. There is only "yes but.." pointing at others when the right have done something bad.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Aug 30, 2017

martcov said:
I don't want to pay much tax. Classic bully boy tactics from the government. Can you tell the EU how you get the figure of a couple of billion? Do you know how to calculate the divorce bill? Do you know what we have signed up to? I don't think you do. I think there should have been an asessment of the potential costs of leaving before the referendum. If people knew in advance that it would be over 20 Bn for nothing of value to our future, then maybe they would have voted remain and got some value for the money put into the EU by staying in the club.

It is so stupid. You didn't even know there would be obligations to be met when leaving when you voted leave. Another thing you didn't know about, yet you claim you knew exactly what you voted for and you assume everyone voted for exactly the same as you.

Only 52% of voters caused this. Not the majority of citizens. And they didn't even know what the were voting for and still don't know what the end result will be. What a cock up.

Not really.

We should only agree to cover the cost of the disruption our departure creates on the basis that the divorce is amicable and also only in return for a fair deal on trade etc.

Should the EU continue its hard stance towards us we can always walk away from the table and pay them nothing. To do so would also be very hard for the EU to take legal action against us and make us cough up anything as a result.

Regardless, I'm a British citizen and I want the best for my country. No egos should come into it at this point.

Grendel · Aug 30, 2017

martcov said:
What has me not joining the NF, and us previously hanging Nazis instead of trying to deflect from their show of force, got to do with the labour party? I have never voted labour. Just to annoy people like yourself, I used to always vote liberal ( lib dems ). I still do here in local elections where I am allowed to vote. Not even voting for Merkel's party. Although I hope she wins again. I like having an intelligent leader with some moral fibre instead of the likes of May, Cameron or Trump.......and I would never ever ever ever vote for that slimy turd Farage. Best of luck with May BTW.

It may not have a thing to do with you but it has a lot to do with those who vote labour on this thread and who refuse to condemn Mr Livingstone.

I'm now introducing you to Vicki Kirby another prospective labour MP despite having been suspended twice from the Labour Party.

Vicki has done strange views.

All Jews have big noses and slaughter the oppressed

They support Spurs

Israel is evil

We saved them from Hitler and now Hitler is their teacher

Hitler is a Zionist God (she's been seeing too much of red Ken)

Isis can be contacted on Facebook. Let's contact them to get rid of the real problem

Mr Livingstone said Ms Kirby is not anti semetic.

Mr Corbyn didn't want to suspend her and only did under duress

Ms Kirby to my knowledge is still with Mr Livingstone Mr Clarke and Naz "export the Jews" Shah in the labour party

I think we have enough to condemn at home but oddly those condemners are going a bit silent when the lefty luvvies are doing their bit for the Nazis

Sick Boy · Aug 30, 2017

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not really.

We should only agree to cover the cost of the disruption our departure creates on the basis that the divorce is amicable and also only in return for a fair deal on trade etc.

Should the EU continue its hard stance towards us we can always walk away from the table and pay them nothing. To do so would also be very hard for the EU to take legal action against us and make us cough up anything as a result.

Regardless, I'm a British citizen and I want the best for my country. No egos should come into it at this point.

If you want the best for the country you'll want it to pay its obligations and not risk it's future. How is not paying going to help other countries outside the EU trust or want to get involved with the UK?

shmmeee · Aug 30, 2017

"We'll make loads of amazing trade deals with other countries"

"We should just walk out on the agreed terms of a trade deal if we don't like it"

- Brexiters, apparently.

Grendel said:
It may not have a thing to do with you but it has a lot to do with those who vote labour on this thread and who refuse to condemn Mr Livingstone.

I'm now introducing you to Vicki Kirby another prospective labour MP despite having been suspended twice from the Labour Party.

Vicki has done strange views.

All Jews have big noses and slaughter the oppressed

They support Spurs

Israel is evil

We saved them from Hitler and now Hitler is their teacher

Hitler is a Zionist God (she's been seeing too much of red Ken)

Isis can be contacted on Facebook. Let's contact them to get rid of the real problem

Mr Livingstone said Ms Kirby is not anti semetic.

Mr Corbyn didn't want to suspend her and only did under duress

Ms Kirby to my knowledge is still with Mr Livingstone Mr Clarke and Naz "export the Jews" Shah in the labour party

I think we have enough to condemn at home but oddly those condemners are going a bit silent when the lefty luvvies are doing their bit for the Nazis

The guy literally just said he's a Lib Dem. You are a special one.

Oh and, if you're so concerned about anti-semitism, might want to look a little closer to home:

martcov · Aug 30, 2017

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not really.

We should only agree to cover the cost of the disruption our departure creates on the basis that the divorce is amicable and also only in return for a fair deal on trade etc.

Should the EU continue its hard stance towards us we can always walk away from the table and pay them nothing. To do so would also be very hard for the EU to take legal action against us and make us cough up anything as a result.

Regardless, I'm a British citizen and I want the best for my country. No egos should come into it at this point.

It is highly likely that by leaving without paying that we would be punished by our trading partners and be thrown out of the world trade organization. We have to agree a settlement. There may be some mediation if we cannot agree. But sticking two fingers up at the EU may appeal to the postal workers in Chatham, but in the real world we would be "sent off". Red card for the U.K..

Grendel · Aug 31, 2017

shmmeee said:
"We'll make loads of amazing trade deals with other countries"

"We should just walk out on the agreed terms of a trade deal if we don't like it"

- Brexiters, apparently.

The guy literally just said he's a Lib Dem. You are a special one.

Oh and, if you're so concerned about anti-semitism, might want to look a little closer to home:

Mr livingstone, Ms Shah and Mr Clarke say they are not anti semetic so would be in the green category.

Do you believe them?

As for being a "special one" do you actually read people's posts before passing a comment?

chiefdave · Aug 31, 2017

Grendel said:
Mr livingstone, Ms Shah and Mr Clarke say they are not anti semetic so would be in the green category.

It's not self certification! If it was and 40% of the party currently leading the country were openly admitting to being anti-semantic that would be of much greater concern than what Livingstone, Shah and Clarke may or may not believe.

dutchman · Aug 31, 2017

Just to point out that Arabs are also 'Semites' so being 'anti-Semite' would also apply to them!

Kingokings204 · Aug 31, 2017

martcov said:
I don't want to pay much tax. Classic bully boy tactics from the government. Can you tell the EU how you get the figure of a couple of billion? Do you know how to calculate the divorce bill? Do you know what we have signed up to? I don't think you do. I think there should have been an asessment of the potential costs of leaving before the referendum. If people knew in advance that it would be over 20 Bn for nothing of value to our future, then maybe they would have voted remain and got some value for the money put into the EU by staying in the club.

It is so stupid. You didn't even know there would be obligations to be met when leaving when you voted leave. Another thing you didn't know about, yet you claim you knew exactly what you voted for and you assume everyone voted for exactly the same as you.

Only 52% of voters caused this. Not the majority of citizens. And they didn't even know what the were voting for and still don't know what the end result will be. What a cock up.

What are you on about? Of course I knew there would be some bills to settle as it's a divorce it's what happens. Which figure is it mart? 40b and then 50b or is it 100b that was suggested? Sounds like it's the EU is the one who doesn't know what it's doing.

It's also desperation of a failing organization who badly need our money and contributions and we are a massive net contributor. No wonder they are shitting themselves. So while we go off and make trade deals around the world (Japan yesterday) and go global the eu are left twiddling their thumbs trying to fleece the french and Dutch for more money to cover our payments. What a disaster. No wonder they wanted us to stay. Still trying of course. Don't worry I heard Anthony Blair is doing his best still.

martcov · Aug 31, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
What are you on about? Of course I knew there would be some bills to settle as it's a divorce it's what happens. Which figure is it mart? 40b and then 50b or is it 100b that was suggested? Sounds like it's the EU is the one who doesn't know what it's doing.

It's also desperation of a failing organization who badly need our money and contributions and we are a massive net contributor. No wonder they are shitting themselves. So while we go off and make trade deals around the world (Japan yesterday) and go global the eu are left twiddling their thumbs trying to fleece the french and Dutch for more money to cover our payments. What a disaster. No wonder they wanted us to stay. Still trying of course. Don't worry I heard Anthony Blair is doing his best still.

The EU has a trade deal with Japan. The U.K. cannot have signed it's own trade deal as it is still in the EU.

The U.K. is still in the EU and is covered by the EU deal for now.

clint van damme · Aug 31, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
What are you on about? Of course I knew there would be some bills to settle as it's a divorce it's what happens. Which figure is it mart? 40b and then 50b or is it 100b that was suggested? Sounds like it's the EU is the one who doesn't know what it's doing.

It's also desperation of a failing organization who badly need our money and contributions and we are a massive net contributor. No wonder they are shitting themselves. So while we go off and make trade deals around the world (Japan yesterday) and go global the eu are left twiddling their thumbs trying to fleece the french and Dutch for more money to cover our payments. What a disaster. No wonder they wanted us to stay. Still trying of course. Don't worry I heard Anthony Blair is doing his best still.

the reason no one knows what the divorce bill will be is because there are a whole raft of factors which will affect it's size.

Will we carry on paying into projects we have started paying into? Will we pay into projects we were committed paying into before the brexit vote but haven't actually contributed to yet? Which projects will we be taking a return from?

It's not as simple as plucking a figure out of the air.

martcov · Aug 31, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
What are you on about? Of course I knew there would be some bills to settle as it's a divorce it's what happens. Which figure is it mart? 40b and then 50b or is it 100b that was suggested? Sounds like it's the EU is the one who doesn't know what it's doing.

It's also desperation of a failing organization who badly need our money and contributions and we are a massive net contributor. No wonder they are shitting themselves. So while we go off and make trade deals around the world (Japan yesterday) and go global the eu are left twiddling their thumbs trying to fleece the french and Dutch for more money to cover our payments. What a disaster. No wonder they wanted us to stay. Still trying of course. Don't worry I heard Anthony Blair is doing his best still.

Checked your BS. Desperate aren't you? What is Japan's stance to Brexit and trade deals? They want Britain in the EU, are worried that they are leaving and settling their deal with the EU is their priority. And you spin it that we have a deal with Japan...... ffs

Kingokings204 · Aug 31, 2017

martcov said:
Checked your BS. Desperate aren't you? What is Japan's stance to Brexit and trade deals? They want Britain in the EU, are worried that they are leaving and settling their deal with the EU is their priority. And you spin it that we have a deal with Japan...... ffs

No I'm saying we have set the wheels in motion as once we leave the EU (yes that's right) we will have the power the sign trade deals all over the world to suit our countries needs. Fantastic isn't it? I'm very excited by it. Britain is going global. And then a trade deal with Brazil and America. Very exciting stuff.

Kingokings204 · Aug 31, 2017

clint van damme said:
the reason no one knows what the divorce bill will be is because there are a whole raft of factors which will affect it's size.

Will we carry on paying into projects we have started paying into? Will we pay into projects we were committed paying into before the brexit vote but haven't actually contributed to yet? Which projects will we be taking a return from?

It's not as simple as plucking a figure out of the air.

Are you kidding me? That's exactly what the EU have done. They have plucked figures out the air as you quoted. Surely you recognize that?

Or perhaps you know the EU have told us it's 40b 50b 60b or even 100b was quoted? Surely this is figures plucked out the air? Why? They haven't got a clue.

Kingokings204 · Aug 31, 2017

martcov said:
The EU has a trade deal with Japan. The U.K. cannot have signed it's own trade deal as it is still in the EU.

The U.K. is still in the EU and is covered by the EU deal for now.

Yes we all know. But they can't stop us visiting countries and negotiating deals ready to set up and all but sign. Deals to suit the U.K. Not 28 countries. Makes sense to me. A bit like having your own currency hey. Nation state democracy it's called.

clint van damme · Aug 31, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
Are you kidding me? That's exactly what the EU have done. They have plucked figures out the air as you quoted. Surely you recognize that?

Or perhaps you know the EU have told us it's 40b 50b 60b or even 100b was quoted? Surely this is figures plucked out the air? Why? They haven't got a clue.

There are so many variables. that there's no way posters on a message board are going to be able to determine what is an appropriate figure. Having said that I would rather send a crew from on here to try and get us the best deal rather than the clowns who are actually doing the negotiating.

Bit more info here:

The EU "divorce bill"

Kingokings204 · Aug 31, 2017

clint van damme said:
There are so many variables. that there's no way posters on a message board are going to be able to determine what is an appropriate figure. Having said that I would rather send a crew from on here to try and get us the best deal rather than the clowns who are actually doing the negotiating.

Bit more info here:

The EU "divorce bill"

Now I do agree with that. I'm not convinced by tories negotiating for us either. I have severe reservations to be kind.

I do agree about how much the bill should be and no one knows I guess my point was why would the eu say 100b when they haven't even totted it up yet?

chiefdave · Aug 31, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
No I'm saying we have set the wheels in motion as once we leave the EU (yes that's right) we will have the power the sign trade deals all over the world to suit our countries needs. Fantastic isn't it? I'm very excited by it. Britain is going global. And then a trade deal with Brazil and America. Very exciting stuff.

It might be fantastic, at the moment it looks more like its going to be a mess. Japan being a prime example.

By May's own admission the talks are to 'prepare the ground', so when are the talks on an actual deal going to take place? Only 18 months left until we leave and replacement trade deals need to be negotiated with over 50 countries the EU currently has agreements in place with. If you take the recent Japan EU deal as an example that took 4 years and 18 rounds of negotiations and is still to be finalised. We've got to complete similar deals 50 times over in the next 18 months!

There are many Japanese companies who have located in the UK for access to the EU, how can we continue to offer them access to the EU if we've left?

Seijiro Takeshita University of Shizuoka said:
Japanese companies are getting frustrated with the lack of answers from Mrs May on a concrete position vis a vis EU access, Mrs May can't answer that yet. And because she's not giving any concrete measures, that is exacerbating the worries of Japanese companies.
The EU is a much larger economy, and the reason why so many Japanese companies were in the UK in the first place was to get access to the EU market.

SIR ERNIE · Aug 31, 2017

Deleted member 5849 said:
One day you'll make a vaguely positive post, instead of your distasteful insults of, well... everybody.

You, sir, are a twat.

An interesting response given your long history of negativity and sarcasm dear chap but hey, onwards and upwards.

Have a fantastic day.

SIR ERNIE · Aug 31, 2017

Kingokings204 said:
No I'm saying we have set the wheels in motion as once we leave the EU (yes that's right) we will have the power the sign trade deals all over the world to suit our countries needs. Fantastic isn't it? I'm very excited by it. Britain is going global. And then a trade deal with Brazil and America. Very exciting stuff.

Yes you’re right, Brexit is a fantastic opportunity for the UK in so many ways. The government need to stay strong and positive in the face of the negative gloom and doom mongers (plenty on here) and finally free us from the restrictive shackles of the EU.

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