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[Nick]

We've got massively sidetracked here into phoenix clubs but a thought occurs. Wasps don't let us play at the Ricoh next season, we can't fulfil our fixtures, we get thrown out of the league.

We're all taking that as the end of Coventry City, which to all intents and purposes it would be, but what if SISU don't actually liquidate.

They can let all the staff go, have zero clubs and keep the club in existence for practically no cost while they pursue legal action.

Technically the club would still exist so how would the FA or anyone else be able to recognise a phoenix club as the continuation of Coventry City?

There's the golden share stuff, although we know they won't just say "here you go new coventry city, crack on".

 

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[Liquid Gold]

In a vain attempt to put the phoenix club issue to bed now I think people are entitled to go and watch a club set up if we died and treat it the same as city, they'd be entitled to wear sky blue, sing the sky blue song, sing Jimmy Hill's sky blue army, it could be a continuation of most things Coventry City and some people can view it as the same. It categorically won't however be Coventry City.

I respect those who would support that team and it's their right to believe it's City. I however won't support that team because I am only a Coventry City fan and will never move to a new team unless under exceptional circumstances outlined earlier. That needs to be respected too.

There are undoubtedly some lunatics that want this to happen (not suggesting any of you lot) but the worst possible way they can go about it is by causing harm to the club we have now. It is right that the Trust have a last resort backup plan, talk of this should be shut down instantly though, we have a Coventry City and that is the priority.

The Trust are in a position of responsibility and everything *everything* they do should be to put pressure on a rental deal being done asap. Letters to parties should be open for all to read, they have lost a lot of respect so need to be seen to be doing the right thing not just doing it, they should be a force for uniting a divided fan base when actually they are a cause for division. Get the myth busting statement out now, get everyone on the same page, once were somewhere near parity then they should write the open letters to all parties from a united front of city fans. Demand meetings with all parties in the public on CWR and in the Telegraph. Demand the council don't wash their hands of the football club, remind them of their commitments and threaten them at the ballot box. Demand Sisu act as responsible owners, remind them their greatest chance of a return is a successful clubs and threaten them with direct action to their investors. Demand Wasps never make the club homeless, remind them they are new in the city and threaten them with protests and disruptions.

Just do something, be seen doing it and don't do the same things that have failed time and time again.

 

[Liquid Gold]

We've got massively sidetracked here into phoenix clubs but a thought occurs. Wasps don't let us play at the Ricoh next season, we can't fulfil our fixtures, we get thrown out of the league.

We're all taking that as the end of Coventry City, which to all intents and purposes it would be, but what if SISU don't actually liquidate.

They can let all the staff go, have zero clubs and keep the club in existence for practically no cost while they pursue legal action.

Technically the club would still exist so how would the FA or anyone else be able to recognise a phoenix club as the continuation of Coventry City?

 

[Nick]

In a vain attempt to put the phoenix club issue to bed now I think people are entitled to go and watch a club set up if we died and treat it the same as city, they'd be entitled to wear sky blue, sing the sky blue song, sing Jimmy Hill's sky blue army, it could be a continuation of most things Coventry City and some people can view it as the same. It categorically won't however be Coventry City.

I respect those who would support that team and it's their right to believe it's City. I however won't support that team because I am only a Coventry City fan and will never move to a new team unless under exceptional circumstances outlined earlier. That needs to be respected too.

There are undoubtedly some lunatics that want this to happen (not suggesting any of you lot) but the worst possible way they can go about it is by causing harm to the club we have now. It is right that the Trust have a last resort backup plan, talk of this should be shut down instantly though, we have a Coventry City and that is the priority.

The Trust are in a position of responsibility and everything *everything* they do should be to put pressure on a rental deal being done asap. Letters to parties should be open for all to read, they have lost a lot of respect so need to be seen to be doing the right thing not just doing it, they should be a force for uniting a divided fan base when actually they are a cause for division. Get the myth busting statement out now, get everyone on the same page, once were somewhere near parity then they should write the open letters to all parties from a united front of city fans. Demand meetings with all parties in the public on CWR and in the Telegraph. Demand the council don't wash their hands of the football club, remind them of their commitments and threaten them at the ballot box. Demand Sisu act as responsible owners, remind them their greatest chance of a return is a successful clubs and threaten them with direct action to their investors. Demand Wasps never make the club homeless, remind them they are new in the city and threaten them with protests and disruptions.

Just do something, be seen doing it and don't do the same things that have failed time and time again.

Exactly what should be done!

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Of course, CCFC fans will go and watch other teams play because they look football in general. I am just saying that it won't be CCFC if the club goes out of existence regardless of people saying it is. The same as my dog wont be a cat.

I cant watch any other team play and have the same emotion, even a World Cup Final if England got there.

I get what you are saying, but if e.g. you went into a (god forbid) coma for ten years to then awake, refreshed and didn't know any of the players and we had moved stadiums would you feel more affinity to them because they are called CCFC - and would it make any difference if you were told that 8 years previous they had folded, then reformed? It would feel strange either way to me, but I wouldn't say I could only follow them if they hadn't folded.

 

[ceetee]

New Bilton Juniors became Valley Sports became VS Rugby became Rugby United became Rugby Town. All name changes but the same club. Not sure about another club originally called Rugby Town. Was it a long time ago? i only ever remember VS Rugby as the football club in Rugby. Either way, I don't think they are trying to be a continuation of another club, it's just a rename of an existing club as they'd done a number of times in their history. Not uncommon in non-league.

Yes I think they played in the Southern League.The ground was on Bilton Rd on the left as you go into Rugby. I am talking about 50 years ago but the point I make is that VS were a different club who eventually took over the name of another one

 

[CJ_covblaze]

I would hope and expect Boddy for us and Eastwood for Wasps to show up and hopefully someone from the council.

There was a Councillor there but I gather he was there as a fan, not in an official capacity. CCFC didn't reply to the invitation. Wasps replied but said no.

Assuming they do Boddy will say there's nothing he / the club can do to stop the legals and they want to stay at the Ricoh.

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Eastwood will say they won't talk unless the legals are dropped.

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Council will say nothing to do with us. Which leads on to the next point.

The Councillor didn't speak and we only knew he was there as one of his constituents pointed him out.

It is vital that people like David Johnson, Tum Kalns etc aren't involved in this. There needs to be some separation between the Trust and groups that are tweeting about 'SISU scum' if they want to be taken seriously.

They both spoke at one time or another. David's input was useful and relatively balanced.

The meeting needs to be strongly moderated and steered. Its not good it just descending into SISU bashing, as much fun as that is, or a Q&A. Assuming the three parties above all show up and give their usual statements then the meeting needs to proceed accepting that Boddy can't get the legals dropped. Otherwise it will be a couple of hours of people ranting and nothing being achieved.

There were comments regarding what SISU, Wasps and CCC have done in the past. Moz stepped in a couple of times when it was going off topic.

The big questions for me are:

Do CCFC have a worse case scenario plan is Wasps continue to refuse to talk. They have said no but press them on it. Will they just wind the club up and that's it?

This was asked by someone but as the main players weren't there it was effectively hypothetical.

Are Wasps prepared to maintain their stance even if it means Coventry City ceasing to exist? Should be made very clear to them supporters won't just sit back and accept this.

Same as above

How are Wasps acting in the best interests of their shareholders to turn away business when they are losing money (not just the rent, decrease in value of naming rights, parking contract, f&b contracts etc). Don't just accept the 'we don't need the football club' rubbish. We've been bullshitted with that one before by Lucas.

Same again

The council need to explain the discrepancy between their statements when the Ricoh was sold and now. The 'it was only for the length of the current contract' response doesn't stand up to any scrutiny as they said the same about CRFC and they have never had a contact to play at the Ricoh.
What are the council doing to ensure the future of the club. If they say nothing to do with us they should be pushed as there is clearly a huge economic benefit to the city in having a football club.

This was brought up quite a lot along with how it can be allowed to happen when we're the current CoS and the next CoC.

Hoping to make it along but currently stuck in Birmingham as my company has a policy of making people do unpaid overtime rather than employing enough people to actually do the job.

The most frustrating thing is, these are all good points and the answers would be so much better if the 3 main parties actually cared.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The most frustrating thing is, these are all good points and the answers would be so much better if the 3 main parties actually cared.

So the response to Dave's post really is that we need CCFC, Wasps and CCC in the same room. Pick a date send open letters and publish replies, if someone says no start protests/direct action to bring them to the table.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

In a vain attempt to put the phoenix club issue to bed now I think people are entitled to go and watch a club set up if we died and treat it the same as city, they'd be entitled to wear sky blue, sing the sky blue song, sing Jimmy Hill's sky blue army, it could be a continuation of most things Coventry City and some people can view it as the same. It categorically won't however be Coventry City.

I respect those who would support that team and it's their right to believe it's City. I however won't support that team because I am only a Coventry City fan and will never move to a new team unless under exceptional circumstances outlined earlier. That needs to be respected too.

There are undoubtedly some lunatics that want this to happen (not suggesting any of you lot) but the worst possible way they can go about it is by causing harm to the club we have now. It is right that the Trust have a last resort backup plan, talk of this should be shut down instantly though, we have a Coventry City and that is the priority.

The Trust are in a position of responsibility and everything *everything* they do should be to put pressure on a rental deal being done asap. Letters to parties should be open for all to read, they have lost a lot of respect so need to be seen to be doing the right thing not just doing it, they should be a force for uniting a divided fan base when actually they are a cause for division. Get the myth busting statement out now, get everyone on the same page, once were somewhere near parity then they should write the open letters to all parties from a united front of city fans. Demand meetings with all parties in the public on CWR and in the Telegraph. Demand the council don't wash their hands of the football club, remind them of their commitments and threaten them at the ballot box. Demand Sisu act as responsible owners, remind them their greatest chance of a return is a successful clubs and threaten them with direct action to their investors. Demand Wasps never make the club homeless, remind them they are new in the city and threaten them with protests and disruptions.

Just do something, be seen doing it and don't do the same things that have failed time and time again.

Great post.

 

[Nick]

The most frustrating thing is, these are all good points and the answers would be so much better if the 3 main parties actually cared.

Do you think that it isn't that they don't care but maybe some of the behaviour might put them off? Again, not yours personally before you think that.

Did anybody ever find out who rejected mediation last time? It's been pretty hush hush so I assume it wasn't the club side else it would have been everywhere.

Boddy has openly said he will meet with Wasps any time, any place (or something like that) to discuss it. There's a start.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

So the response to Dave's post really is that we need CCFC, Wasps and CCC in the same room. Pick a date send open letters and publish replies, if someone says no start protests/direct action to bring them to the table.

Which ties in with your previous post and my reply to it.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Do you think that it isn't that they don't care but maybe some of the behaviour might put them off? Again, not yours personally before you think that.

Did anybody ever find out who rejected mediation last time? It's been pretty hush hush so I assume it wasn't the club side else it would have been everywhere.

Boddy has openly said he will meet with Wasps any time, any place (or something like that) to discuss it. There's a start.

Sadly I don't think any of those 3 actually care about CCFC. Certain individuals within might do on a personal level (thinking some Councillors as they can't all be bad as someone votes them in) but as organisations what have they done recently to show that they do?

 

[Liquid Gold]

Which ties in with your previous post and my reply to it.

You're on the board though, you know who is best placed to write letters, who is able to look over them and make sure they're legally tight and correctly worded and where to send them. Get it done.

No use tweeting 9 games till homeless timmy when you're not putting things into action.

 

[Nick]

Sadly I don't think any of those 3 actually care about CCFC. Certain individuals within might do on a personal level (thinking some Councillors as they can't all be bad as someone votes them in) but as organisations what have they done recently to show that they do?

The thing is though.

Duggins openly bullshitted then gloated that public opinion is firmly on their side. Just after things ramped up again, certain accounts went into overdrive etc.

Has anybody told him not to count on it or is he sat there pissing himself that he can lie and people will still shout at SISU and telling Fisher to resign?

If you say the council don't care about the club, where's the pressure and outrage against them?

It isn't either or, one or the other. You can call SISU pricks, the council pricks and Wasps pricks all at the same time.

The pattern is always the same and ends up in the same way.

"meet and discuss"
"we are listening to what people say"
"we blame them all"

"sisu protest lads? wahey get on it"

I hope it will be different this time and I am proven wrong.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

if the 3 main parties actually cared.

This is what it boils down to isn't it, and it's disgusting. You expect it of SISU, would kind of expect it of Wasps... but if CCFC can't be bothered, that's pretty tragic. Add in CCC as seemingly not caring if the club dies, that's pretty horrendous when you think what the club has given to the city in terms of profile, wellbeing, a sense of cohesion.

So, going forward, maybe any press you do on it should be focussed on the fact nobody can be bothered? You have a room of people there, and nobody wishes to enlighten them.

(I do appreciate it'd be a hard sell but... that's what they're all paid / elected to do! Still only had a response from one of my councillors too, which shows how low down the list we are)

Am guessing Brexit debates put paid to Jim Cunningham turning up?

 

[CJ_covblaze]

The thing is though.

Duggins openly bullshitted then gloated that public opinion is firmly on their side. Just after things ramped up again, certain accounts went into overdrive etc.

Has anybody told him not to count on it or is it sat there pissing himself that he can lie and people will still shout at SISU?

I get the impression that an equal amount of bile is being spilled in all 3 directions. We just hear more about the SISU stuff as they're the ones represented at our matches. The other two aren't really.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

You're on the board though, you know who is best placed to write letters, who is able to look over them and make sure they're legally tight and correctly worded and where to send them. Get it done.

No use tweeting 9 games till homeless timmy when you're not putting things into action.

I have already copied and pasted your message into an email and proposed something gets done.

 

[Nick]

I get the impression that an equal amount of bile is being spilled in all 3 directions. We just hear more about the SISU stuff as they're the ones represented at our matches. The other two aren't really.

Can you link me to the articles and the protest action against them from the Trust? If not, any retweets or exposure given to it from the trust.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

This is what it boils down to isn't it, and it's disgusting. You expect it of SISU, would kind of expect it of Wasps... but if CCFC can't be bothered, that's pretty tragic. Add in CCC as seemingly not caring if the club dies, that's pretty horrendous when you think what the club has given to the city in terms of profile, wellbeing, a sense of cohesion.

So, going forward, maybe any press you do on it should be focussed on the fact nobody can be bothered? You have a room of people there, and nobody wishes to enlighten them.

(I do appreciate it'd be a hard sell but... that's what they're all paid / elected to do! Still only had a response from one of my councillors too, which shows how low down the list we are)

Am guessing Brexit debates put paid to Jim Cunningham turning up?

Agree 100%. It's true about the MPs. Can grant them a leave of absence on this issue due to what they're having to do atm.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I have already copied and pasted your message into an email and proposed something gets done.

Thank you.

Please let me know what comes of it, how long do you expect it to be reviewed? Also when the full report of the meeting is published.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

He can’t, I’m still waiting for the statement condemning wasps move. Maybe if the trust had put a statement out, other parties would be more wary. Maybe people like myself wouldn’t be so against them. Oh, before someone says it, it’s not too late. Yes they are here, doesn’t mean we agree with it.

 

[mark82]

You're on the board though, you know who is best placed to write letters, who is able to look over them and make sure they're legally tight and correctly worded and where to send them. Get it done.

No use tweeting 9 games till homeless timmy when you're not putting things into action.

I think the issue is the attitude towards Sisu of some of the Trust board members (I stress - not CJ). It's not so much that they are anti-Sisu, I think most CCFC fans are, it's that they are so vocal about it. More balance is needed on the trust board if it is to make a difference and be taken seriously by all parties. It needs to be representative of all fans, not just the vocal few.

 

[Liquid Gold]

He can’t, I’m still waiting for the statement condemning wasps move. Maybe if the trust had put a statement out, other parties would be more wary. Maybe people like myself wouldn’t be so against them. Oh, before someone says it, it’s not too late. Yes they are here, doesn’t mean we agree with it.

To be honest as much as I despise them being here having a go at them isn't the priority now. Keeping the club alive is.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I think the issue is the attitude towards Sisu of some of the Trust board members (I stress - not CJ). It's not so much that they are anti-Sisu, I think most CCFC fans are, it's that they are so vocal about it. More balance is needed on the trust board if it is to make a difference and be taken seriously by all parties. It needs to be representative of all fans, not just the vocal few.

Then those viewed as more reasonable should have a word with the others to step aside as it could open the dialogue we need. If it is about the club and not ego then they should be happy to do it.

 

[Nick]

Then those viewed as more reasonable should have a word with the others to step aside as it could open the dialogue we need. If it is about the club and not ego then they should be happy to do it.

Have said this many times and it merges in with your unifying fans and myth busting post.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

To be honest as much as I despise them being here having a go at them isn't the priority now. Keeping the club alive is.

Yeah, it is the priority, problem being we need wasps to talk. Why would they, when they know the trust see things their way?

 

[Nick]

To be honest as much as I despise them being here having a go at them isn't the priority now. Keeping the club alive is.

I don't think anybody wants them to say "Wasps are wankers". More "Don't get too comfortable or take the piss" type thing.

Wasps and the Council know full well they wont get any backlash over anything they do or say.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I don't think anybody wants them to say "Wasps are wankers". More "Don't get too comfortable or take the piss" type thing.

Wasps and the Council know full well they wont get any backlash over anything they do or say.

Exactly what I was saying with the letters. Write an initial one politely inviting them to a meeting with the other parties, if they refuse tell them that it is unacceptable and further action will be taken against them if they continue with their refusal. If they refuse again then plan action and inform them this will happen until they come to the table.

Same for the other parties, no pussy footing around anyone while at the same time keeping it professional and respectable.

 

[mark82]

Then those viewed as more reasonable should have a word with the others to step aside as it could open the dialogue we need. If it is about the club and not ego then they should be happy to do it.

Absolutely. Reform is needed. I think CJ being on the board is definitely a good thing, but we need more like him.

@CJ_covblaze are trust board members still elected? If so, when are the next elections?

What's needed now is definitely dialogue with all parties, not protests and not rhetoric that is anti-anyone.

 

[Johnnythespider]

We've got massively sidetracked here into phoenix clubs but a thought occurs. Wasps don't let us play at the Ricoh next season, we can't fulfil our fixtures, we get thrown out of the league.

We're all taking that as the end of Coventry City, which to all intents and purposes it would be, but what if SISU don't actually liquidate.

They can let all the staff go, have zero clubs and keep the club in existence for practically no cost while they pursue legal action.

Technically the club would still exist so how would the FA or anyone else be able to recognise a phoenix club as the continuation of Coventry City?

Could we resurrect the original club under those circumstances, what was it CCFC holdings ?

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

In a vain attempt to put the phoenix club issue to bed now I think people are entitled to go and watch a club set up if we died and treat it the same as city, they'd be entitled to wear sky blue, sing the sky blue song, sing Jimmy Hill's sky blue army, it could be a continuation of most things Coventry City and some people can view it as the same. It categorically won't however be Coventry City.

I respect those who would support that team and it's their right to believe it's City. I however won't support that team because I am only a Coventry City fan and will never move to a new team unless under exceptional circumstances outlined earlier. That needs to be respected too.

There are undoubtedly some lunatics that want this to happen (not suggesting any of you lot) but the worst possible way they can go about it is by causing harm to the club we have now. It is right that the Trust have a last resort backup plan, talk of this should be shut down instantly though, we have a Coventry City and that is the priority.

The Trust are in a position of responsibility and everything *everything* they do should be to put pressure on a rental deal being done asap. Letters to parties should be open for all to read, they have lost a lot of respect so need to be seen to be doing the right thing not just doing it, they should be a force for uniting a divided fan base when actually they are a cause for division. Get the myth busting statement out now, get everyone on the same page, once were somewhere near parity then they should write the open letters to all parties from a united front of city fans. Demand meetings with all parties in the public on CWR and in the Telegraph. Demand the council don't wash their hands of the football club, remind them of their commitments and threaten them at the ballot box. Demand Sisu act as responsible owners, remind them their greatest chance of a return is a successful clubs and threaten them with direct action to their investors. Demand Wasps never make the club homeless, remind them they are new in the city and threaten them with protests and disruptions.

Just do something, be seen doing it and don't do the same things that have failed time and time again.

Post of the decade-mate.

Exactly how most of us feel-summed up.

Wish someone would act on it.


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[Captain Dart]

Remember there's people involved with the trust who are also involved with Coventry United.
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Who? This is the Cov Utd board, who do you think is active in the Sky Blue Trust.
Who's Who

 

[Nick]

Who? This is the Cov Utd board, who do you think is active in the Sky Blue Trust.
Who's Who

Who used to be on the board and is still seemingly more involved than they are with CCFC?

Did somebody mention Cov Utd or the council?

 

[Otis]

I get what you are saying, but if e.g. you went into a (god forbid) coma for ten years to then awake, refreshed and didn't know any of the players and we had moved stadiums would you feel more affinity to them because they are called CCFC - and would it make any difference if you were told that 8 years previous they had folded, then reformed? It would feel strange either way to me, but I wouldn't say I could only follow them if they hadn't folded.

When did Nick go into a coma? Was it during the Brexit debate?

 

[Captain Dart]

There was a FC in Rugby called Rugby Town. They were the senior club in the district.
There was also a junior club in the local leagues called Valley Sports who were a very well run, dynamic club.
I was involved in a local club, played against VS, and came to the conclusion that they would outlive Rugby Town
Eventually Rugby Town folded, and I think a dispute with the owners of the ground was one of the influences.
Valley Sports became VS Rugby and the senior club in the district.
As far as I can tell that club is now called Rugby Town​

I never realised where the VS came from b4.