all french leagues cancelled (1 Viewer)

chiefdave · Apr 28, 2020

Johnnythespider said:
If the EFL were to void the leagues where would fans stand on bringing a collective action against them, on the basis that season tickets were purchased for a complete season with positive and negative outcomes for teams at the top and bottom. I wouldn't want a refund from the club but i would be mightily pissed off if I'd spent money for a sham season, particularly with it being 75% done.

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If all the clubs and fans pitched in we could assemble the mother of all legal suits

All sorts of legal action would start up. For example only needs one lawyer to agree take on all season ticket holders across the league and take a small percentage of any win. You haven't got what you paid for, simple as that.

Same with sponsors, advertisers, TV contracts and pretty much every revenue stream coming into the league and clubs.

Just can't see it happening. If the remaining games get cancelled they will have to put something in place to finalise positions and promotion / relegation so they can then claim the season has been completed.

chiefdave · Apr 28, 2020

shepardo01 said:
Pboro chairman (apologies for posting on multiple threads)
More than likely these discussions have taken place before today's announcement from France and also UEFA...

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Only one talking sense

He needs to come on here to get more reliable information. Someone posted earlier that the players were already aware the season was cancelled and voided!

Johnnythespider · Apr 28, 2020

chiefdave said:
All sorts of legal action would start up. For example only needs one lawyer to agree take on all season ticket holders across the league and take a small percentage of any win. You haven't got what you paid for, simple as that.

Same with sponsors, advertisers, TV contracts and pretty much every revenue stream coming into the league and clubs.

Just can't see it happening. If the remaining games get cancelled they will have to put something in place to finalise positions and promotion / relegation so they can then claim the season has been completed.

I hope so, it would be a travesty to just write it off.

MusicDating · Apr 28, 2020

30th June is the key date. If they do restart they'll need to complete by then.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 28, 2020

chiefdave said:
He needs to come on here to get more reliable information. Someone posted earlier that the players were already aware the season was cancelled and voided!

What does he know eh!

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 28, 2020

MusicDating said:
30th June is the key date. If they do restart they'll need to complete by then.

If we can get underway by the end of May then that's achievable. Might need to bin the play offs though

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 28, 2020

chiefdave said:
All sorts of legal action would start up. For example only needs one lawyer to agree take on all season ticket holders across the league and take a small percentage of any win. You haven't got what you paid for, simple as that.

Same with sponsors, advertisers, TV contracts and pretty much every revenue stream coming into the league and clubs.

Just can't see it happening. If the remaining games get cancelled they will have to put something in place to finalise positions and promotion / relegation so they can then claim the season has been completed.

I know I have the sky blue glasses on here, but our club has been dragged through the dirt for nearly 20 years, fans made to go to Northampton and Birmingham to watch the side, a rugby team squatting in the ground and only a handful of top half finishes in any of the 3 leagues. Now against the odds we looked sure to win a title for the first time since 1967.

If they try and take it away from us they will reap what they sow.

Brylowes · Apr 28, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I know I have the sky blue glasses on here, but our club has been dragged through the dirt for nearly 20 years, fans made to go to Northampton and Birmingham to watch the side, a rugby team squatting in the ground and only a handful of top half finishes in any of the 3 leagues. Now against the odds we looked sure to win a title for the first time since 1967.

If they try and take it away from us they will reap what they sow.

As you say “sky blue glasses”
The truth is ‘Anyone Other’ than those with a connection to CCFC won’t give CCFC a second thought.

oscillatewildly · Apr 28, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I know I have the sky blue glasses on here, but our club has been dragged through the dirt for nearly 20 years, fans made to go to Northampton and Birmingham to watch the side, a rugby team squatting in the ground and only a handful of top half finishes in any of the 3 leagues. Now against the odds we looked sure to win a title for the first time since 1967.

If they try and take it away from us they will reap what they sow.

In what way? We can't even organise a half arsed protest anymore.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 28, 2020

Brylowes said:
As you say “sky blue glasses”
The truth is ‘Anyone Other’ than those with a connection to CCFC won’t give CCFC a second thought.

oscillatewildly said:
In what way? We can't even organise a half arsed protest anymore.

We won't be the only ones screwed as a consequence. It can't just quietly be accepted

Otis · Apr 28, 2020

MusicDating said:
30th June is the key date. If they do restart they'll need to complete by then.

It definitely is. It's my daughter's 16th birthday.

Brylowes · Apr 28, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
We won't be the only ones screwed as a consequence. It can't just quietly be accepted

Other clubs facing the same plight is definitely our main hope of common sense prevailing,
If it were a problem we were facing alone ‘we’d have been screwed by now.

SkyBlueDom26 · Apr 28, 2020

MusicDating said:
30th June is the key date. If they do restart they'll need to complete by then.

Will be lucky if it’s even started by that date, PPG would be the only fair way of doing this.... we’ve been the best team over the course of the season, end of debate.

skybluesam66 · Apr 29, 2020

you can still see them screwing us on our own
eg
Award the title to Liverpool
2 teams up from championship to make top 2 divisions 22 teams
Barrow coming up from non league and probably Swindon coming into League 1

So no relegations, and then our corner which is probably us Rotherham and Crewe looks a lot weeker

Otis · Apr 29, 2020

skybluesam66 said:
you can still see them screwing us on our own
eg
Award the title to Liverpool
2 teams up from championship to make top 2 divisions 22 teams
Barrow coming up from non league and probably Swindon coming into League 1

So no relegations, and then our corner which is probably us Rotherham and Crewe looks a lot weeker

Surely just letting Swindon come up would open all kinds of cans of worms.

They couldn't do that surely.

skybluesam66 · Apr 29, 2020

Otis said:
Surely just letting Swindon come up would open all kinds of cans of worms.

They couldn't do that surely.

any solution which puts us starting next season in the same division as Bolton and on the same points would be the absoloute proof that we are doomed forever - but i wouldnt put that past the EFL !

oscillatewildly · Apr 29, 2020

Brighton Sky Blue said:
We won't be the only ones screwed as a consequence. It can't just quietly be accepted

It will be. Legal action won't be resolved in a matter of days or even weeks.
I'm not too concerned about a lack of indication as to how this season will be resolved (at the moment) that can surely only mean that our footballing authorities are banking on a government easing of lockdown to offer a glimmer of hope in getting remaining fixtures completed. Suggested dates for commencement/completion continue to be banded about.
I can't see any other decision in awarding Liverpool the title if it's decided this season can't be completed. I'm not sure how the PL will resolve the issue of relegation. The PL of course is in a different galaxy to 'other' football so I don't expect the EFL to follow their lead.
In short, if fixtures can't be completed I just don't see the EFL resolving the situation via final standing or PPG.
Over to the lawyers. Meanwhile what do the affected clubs (those in the top 4-6 positions of EFL) do? Go on strike?
This is assuming a new season will start at any time for the remainder of this year. Or ever.

ccfc1234 · Apr 29, 2020

chiefdave said:
PL clubs won't do anything unless its to their benefit. Wouldn't be surprised if they'd happily let the whole EFL fold to be replaced by PL2 made up of their reserves.

Sadly your right. PL clubs in the main are owned by Foreign investors who could not give a toss about the history of our game.

ccfc1234 · Apr 29, 2020

Sick Boy said:
Have any professional leagues finished on a PPG basis?

Scotland have agreed to this format I understand. Makes total sense. If we were less than half way into the season I would understand but 70% is really close to the end.

SlowerThanPlatt · Apr 29, 2020

ccfc1234 said:
Scotland have agreed to this format I understand. Makes total sense. If we were less than half way into the season I would understand but 70% is really close to the end.

The SPL?

David O'Day · Apr 29, 2020

ccfc1234 said:
Scotland have agreed to this format I understand. Makes total sense. If we were less than half way into the season I would understand but 70% is really close to the end.

No the spfl haven't decided anything on ppg. The junior leagues have but the spfl below the top flight has be end as is thus partick being relegated even though they are only 2 points adrift and have a game in hand

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ccfc1234 · Apr 30, 2020

David O'Day said:
No the spfl haven't decided anything on ppg. The junior leagues have but the spfl below the top flight has be end as is thus partick being relegated even though they are only 2 points adrift and have a game in hand

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Junior leagues? Do you mean the Scottish championship and below? If so yes they have agreed to the ppg. I also read that IF the SPL can't be finished it has been pre agreed this is how the SPL will be decided upon as well.

It makes perfect sense vs pretending an entire season never took place given how close we are to the end.

If my sources are wrong be happy to stand corrected by a link to different info.

covcity4life · Apr 30, 2020

Deciding promotion and relegation from 3 divisions is goong to be headache. I can see them voiding it and we get robbed

higgs · Apr 30, 2020

What about the bookies will they pay out on us? Did everyone cash out?

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Sick Boy · Apr 30, 2020

PSG have been crowned champions

jimmyhillsfanclub · Apr 30, 2020

covcity4life said:
Deciding promotion and relegation from 3 divisions is going to be headache. I can see them voiding it and we get robbed

If you apply PPG & assume the team at the top of play-off places goes up automatically, then a quick glance at the top 4 leagues points to:

PL remains the same with regards CL & relegation places. Sheff Utd would swap with wolves to finish 6th
Championship sorts itself. No changes.
L1 is tricky as wycombe would leap-frog to the top of the play-offs & hence win promotion along with Rotherham & CCFC CHAMPIONS.
Relegation is tough on tranmere as they had some form with 3 wins on the bounce before lockdown.
L2 swindon would pip crewe to the title but both still up.

Fingers crossed they go with this option as I cannot see play resuming this season.

Magwitch · Apr 30, 2020

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
If you apply PPG & assume the team at the top of play-off places goes up automatically, then a quick glance at the top 4 leagues points to:

PL remains the same with regards CL & relegation places. Sheff Utd would swap with wolves to finish 6th
Championship sorts itself. No changes.
L1 is tricky as wycombe would leap-frog to the top of the play-offs & hence win promotion along with Rotherham & CCFC CHAMPIONS.
Relegation is tough on tranmere as they had some form with 3 wins on the bounce before lockdown.
L2 swindon would pip crewe to the title but both still up.

Fingers crossed they go with this option as I cannot see play resuming this season.

EDIT: I didn't actually do the maths, so the wycombe promotion may be incorrect....but who really cares about wycombe eh?

Could go that way still think if it does they will scrap relegation mainly with the Premiership clubs in mind but in all divisions, takes the heat of legal action off a bit. Although it means extra games in the prem that’s much needed extra revenue.

lord_garrincha · Apr 30, 2020

Hi all... haven't been on since the outbreak... been too sore to contemplate no promotion.

The PSG development does give me hope, but the best case scenario I can see (for Coventry) is the following:

1) EFL do not continue the regular season;
2) The Premiership re-starts, almost like a war-time morale booster to entertain people at home (I am sure Boris will give it some bluster should it happen);
3) The Premiership is completed by 30 June... which means there are 3 teams at the bottom after 38 games... therefore there is no legal implication for their relegation;
4) If 3 teams go down... 3 teams should go up, of which the top 2 teams currently in the championship are promoted... This is where is gets a tad tricky, as in who takes the 3rd place (obviously usually a play off)
5) Rinse & repeat down to Barrow taking Bury's place (2nd place go up instead of having play-offs as any further matches have been cancelled).

Yes, there is an issue regarding teams getting relegated, but if it was a EFL member decision (as in all getting the teams to vote for this should out weigh the 8 teams in the relegation spots), then it "may negate the legal implications" (wishful thinking I know).

As regards play-offs... play them. One off semis, followed by final... That's 9 games to play for the EFL, possibly being helped by the Premiership in terms of logistics and testing etc.

jordan210 · Apr 30, 2020

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Just for more fun

Flying Fokker · Apr 30, 2020

skybluesam66 said:
any solution which puts us starting next season in the same division as Bolton and on the same points would be the absoloute proof that we are doomed forever - but i wouldnt put that past the EFL !

Our fans have done rock bottom pretty well. It would be at another level if we are in the same league. Feel sorry for any club on their knees. But Bolton have had enough breaks this season.

Flying Fokker · Apr 30, 2020

higgs said:
What about the bookies will they pay out on us? Did everyone cash out?

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I did . As soon as I heard about the postponed game. My son didn’t. I had £20 at 16/1. And cashed out at about £251...but I’ve moved on since then. The £70 hit was worth every penny.

Flying Fokker · Apr 30, 2020

jordan210 said:
Just for more fun

Yes please.

higgs · Apr 30, 2020

Flying Fokker said:
I did . As soon as I heard about the postponed game. My son didn’t. I had £20 at 16/1. And cashed out at about £251...but I’ve moved on since then. The £70 hit was worth every penny.

With the uncertainty floating around I would have taken the money and ran aswell

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