Alternative Ground (3 Viewers)

hill83 · Apr 24, 2013

This is a difficult one for me. If we do move for say 1 season, and nobody goes we'll cease to exist as a club.
But for me, we should never leave the city. Ideal world we don't move, but if we do, I'd seriously consider going. It would be the odd game, but it's still our club regardless of where we play (within reason) and on the strict basis that we are back in the city within a year.

italiahorse · Apr 24, 2013

hill83 said:
This is a difficult one for me. If we do move for say 1 season, and nobody goes we'll cease to exist as a club.
But for me, we should never leave the city. Ideal world we don't move, but if we do, I'd seriously consider going. It would be the odd game, but it's still our club regardless of where we play (within reason) and on the strict basis that we are back in the city within a year.

So a club called Coventry City playing 30 miles away in Northampton is our club ?
No No No and No
Make it known you won't be going before they make a decision based on a few thousand will still be going

Delboycov · Apr 24, 2013

hill83 said:
This is a difficult one for me. If we do move for say 1 season, and nobody goes we'll cease to exist as a club.
But for me, we should never leave the city. Ideal world we don't move, but if we do, I'd seriously consider going. It would be the odd game, but it's still our club regardless of where we play (within reason) and on the strict basis that we are back in the city within a year.

I think a year would be my limit too...the only problem would be that I could see it dragging on and on particularly if there's a new ground planned. Remember 'Arena Whenever'?!

hill83 · Apr 24, 2013

italiahorse said:
So a club called Coventry City playing 30 miles away in Northampton is our club ?
No No No and No
Make it known you won't be going before they make a decision based on a few thousand will still be going

If there is a way of making it known we won't stand for moving away then I'll be fully behind that. No doubt.
But if we do move, it's likely I'll go.
And I'd suggest it would still be our club. You'd still look for results no? Because you can be certain if it was Northhampton it wouldn't be their club.

stupot07 · Apr 24, 2013

italiahorse said:
So a club called Coventry City playing 30 miles away in Northampton is our club ?
No No No and No
Make it known you won't be going before they make a decision based on a few thousand will still be going

Brighton played in Gillingham for 2 seasons.......were they not still Brighton during that period?

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2013

stupot07 said:
Brighton played in Gillingham for 2 seasons.......were they not still Brighton during that period?

They didnt have a ground we do its all bullshit

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2013

stupot07 said:
Brighton played in Gillingham for 2 seasons.......were they not still Brighton during that period?

Entirely different scenario. We have a perfectly good ground ready to use.

torchomatic · Apr 24, 2013

I wonder how many Brighton fans decided not to go five miles out of the City to support their team? Not many by the looks of it as they're packed out every game.

italiahorse · Apr 24, 2013

stupot07 said:
Brighton played in Gillingham for 2 seasons.......were they not still Brighton during that period?

That's while they waited for a stadium to be built.
Another stadium is unlikely to be allowed in Coventry

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2013

torchomatic said:
I wonder how many Brighton fans decided not to go five miles out of the City to support their team? Not many by the looks of it as they're packed out every game.

The Goldstone ground had been demolished so there was little alternative. Last time I checked the Ricoh has always been, and always will be, there for us to use. The Brighton and Hove bus company also laid on free travel for all fans who wanted to go.

Flying Fokker · Apr 24, 2013

If this site is representative SISU can guarantee around 1500 supporters at a venue outside Coventry....£80 a ticket should just about cover it. Then they can refuse to pay the landlord and they would be quids in.

italiahorse · Apr 24, 2013

torchomatic said:
I wonder how many Brighton fans decided not to go five miles out of the City to support their team? Not many by the looks of it as they're packed out every game.

5 miles in nothing. 30 miles is too far and for me it's not CCFC.
I will loose my association and stop supporting.

torchomatic · Apr 24, 2013

Granted, the old ground was demolished. Our current ground may be unafffordable - for SISU or whoever takes over - so what happens then?

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Goldstone ground had been demolished so there was little alternative. Last time I checked the Ricoh has always been, and always will be, there for us to use. The Brighton and Hove bus company also laid on free travel for all fans who wanted to go.

stupot07 · Apr 24, 2013

Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
They didnt have a ground we do its all bullshit

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Entirely different scenario. We have a perfectly good ground ready to use.

italiahorse said:
That's while they waited for a stadium to be built.
Another stadium is unlikely to be allowed in Coventry

I was just pointing out that there are other precedents for teams moving temporarily out of their city/town for a short period, as everyone keeps quoting Wimbledon-MK dons.

Flying Fokker · Apr 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Goldstone ground had been demolished so there was little alternative. Last time I checked the Ricoh has always been, and always will be, there for us to use. The Brighton and Hove bus company also laid on free travel for all fans who wanted to go.

I'm sure Harry Shaw et al will fall over themselves to help out given that SISU is an honourable, fine, upstanding pillar of the community.

See what I did with that?

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2013

stupot07 said:
I was just pointing out that there are other precedents for teams moving temporarily out of their city/town for a short period, as everyone keeps quoting Wimbledon-MK dons.

There hasn't been a precedent quite like this one to be fair.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2013

torchomatic said:
Granted, the old ground was demolished. Our current ground may be unafffordable - for SISU or whoever takes over - so what happens then?

The offer on the table from ACL makes things more than affordable. If SISU leave I'd expect their replacements to quickly shake hands on a deal.

duffer · Apr 24, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
I'd go if we relocated, if they want to move 50 Miles South then I would be truly over the moon (Not as much over the moon if we stayed at The Ricoh) let say for example Sixways Stadium, 12,068 Capacity within the 50 Mile Radius that the Football League require, groundshare with Worcester Warriors!

Not quite sure where you got the 50 miles from, but the regulations around ground sharing are here:

http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20120702/section-4-clubs_2293633_2125725

I suspect the key clause is "13.7.3 (ground sharing might be permitted if it) would not adversely affect such Club's Officials, players, supporters, shareholders, sponsors and others having an interest in its activities;"

I'd have thought 50 miles might be a bit of stretch to fulfil that, in truth.

Regardless, what is clear is that the FL would want to see a detailed plan for how, within a few years, the club could move back to the City. If that wasn't plausible, they wouldn't let the club move outside the town. (This according to Bob Ainsworth's report on CWR, of his meeting with the FL today).

And the Butts is surely a non-starter. I go there fairly regularly - one small (2,000?) covered stand, three open sides, and a few open turnstiles. Parking for a couple of hundred. Even if it could be redeveloped hugely in the three-month close season, there is no way that planning permission would be granted within that timescale - and more likely that they'd never get it given the area and history.

Personally speaking, I think the ground share thing is a complete bluff. Even if they found a suitable venue there's no way that SISU could put together a plausible plan for moving back to the City anywhere other than the Ricoh.

How could SISU fund a new stadium, where would they build it, and how likely is it that the Council would grant them planning permission after all of this? It's another bluff, and a fairly pathetic one, imho.

torchomatic · Apr 24, 2013

Let's hope so.

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The offer on the table from ACL makes things more than affordable. If SISU leave I'd expect their replacements to quickly shake hands on a deal.

theferret · Apr 24, 2013

italiahorse said:
That's while they waited for a stadium to be built.
Another stadium is unlikely to be allowed in Coventry

It wasn't really, The Withdean already existed and the idea to move there was only conceived after they had moved out of Brighton. The circumstances were different yes, because the owners that forced the sale of the Goldstone Ground were forced out so those that followed the club the 70 miles to Gillingham could at least say the people who had put them there were no longer around. Their gates halved as a result. 70 miles was a fair old trek though.

A better example might be Bristol Rovers who spent 10 seasons playing in Bath (between 86 and 96 I think). Their home ground issue still hasn't been properly resolved.

Grendel · Apr 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
The offer on the table from ACL makes things more than affordable. If SISU leave I'd expect their replacements to quickly shake hands on a deal.

Not a hope in hell I suspect.

Grendel · Apr 24, 2013

GaryPendrysEyes said:
Thought you might make an appearance- wonder why... flawed poll, doesnt really count, non attenders blah blah blah. 75% just told Sisu to do one. Just take it like a man.

And just like dadgad you never answer the question.

letsallsingtogether · Apr 24, 2013

Grendel said:
And just like dadgad you never answer the question.

Nor do you

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2013

Grendel said:
Not a hope in hell I suspect.

On what basis?

elephanttears · Apr 24, 2013

For me the Ricoh has never felt like home, even though i will never own it myself lol i will never feel comfortable as a fan going there unless we own it. As stupid as it sounds if your a homeowner like a lot of us probably are it just dont sit right going to watch your team in a rented stadium.

theferret · Apr 24, 2013

Brighton Sky Blue said:
On what basis?

On the basis that the idea of continuing as a tenant will be simply not be on the agenda for any new owners, nor should it be.

Any deal will, as a minimum, include the Higgs share, and you don't pay a shit load in rent to play in a place you have 50% ownership of.

Flying Fokker · Apr 24, 2013

elephanttears said:
For me the Ricoh has never felt like home, even though i will never own it myself lol i will never feel comfortable as a fan going there unless we own it. As stupid as it sounds if your a homeowner like a lot of us probably are it just dont sit right going to watch your team in a rented stadium.

The myth of us fans owning the club.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Apr 24, 2013

I've voted no, not out of principle but rather the travel and time it would consume.

I'd still likely try to make some games, maybe like 8 games depending on distance.

bigfatronssba · Apr 24, 2013

elephanttears said:
For me the Ricoh has never felt like home, even though i will never own it myself lol i will never feel comfortable as a fan going there unless we own it. As stupid as it sounds if your a homeowner like a lot of us probably are it just dont sit right going to watch your team in a rented stadium.

Did the last few years at HR not feel like home when we was renting it?

Mucca Mad Boys · Apr 24, 2013

Logistics would prevent me going.

elephanttears · Apr 24, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
Did the last few years at HR not feel like home when we was renting it?

Why do you have to be such a negative prick?

elephanttears · Apr 24, 2013

Flying Fokker said:
The myth of us fans owning the club.

No, just the club owning the club.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 24, 2013

theferret said:
On the basis that the idea of continuing as a tenant will be simply not be on the agenda for any new owners, nor should it be.

Any deal will, as a minimum, include the Higgs share, and you don't pay a shit load in rent to play in a place you have 50% ownership of.

The Higgs share is on first refusal to CCFC Ltd at any time up to 2015-any prospective owner worth his salt will be lining it up, especially since it's been declared available at a knock down price and the charity is very keen to sell. With that agreed I don't see quite what the problem is-CCFC becomes a part of ACL and the saga is ended at a stroke.

Jack Griffin · Apr 24, 2013

If the venue was 30 miles away what would the real cost of a season ticket be?

Price of season ticket = £300
Price of additional petrol (23 games with 50 mile round trip over and above 10 mile trip to Ricoh at 135p/litre and 35mpg = £8.77 per game) =£200

Nice!

elephanttears · Apr 24, 2013

Jack Griffin said:
If the venue was 30 miles away what would the real cost of a season ticket be?

Price of season ticket = £300
Price of additional petrol (23 games with 50 mile round trip over and above 10 mile trip to Ricoh at 135p/litre and 35mpg = £8.77 per game) =£200

Nice!

The price in my opinion has always been irrelevant, you either want to go or you dont. If were winning and the buzz is there no one gives a fuck about the price.

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