An open letter to Joy by PSB Group (1 Viewer)

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Nick said:
Against a fair few other 1 legged people in the same contest.

Their isn't another club in the league that are anywhere near the shit we are in, in every part of the business. We're a mess from top to bottom so don't try and make out we're in the same position as most of the clubs in the league because we're really not and this is bound to have a negative effect on the end product regardless of who is the manager. We're only ever going to underachieve so long as SISU are here, they're not in the business of creating a positive environment that lends itself to achieving, over achieving or success. When are some people on here going to understand and accept this.

Nick · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Their isn't another club in the league that are anywhere near the shit we are in, in every part of the business. We're a mess from top to bottom so don't try and make out we're in the same position as most of the clubs in the league because we're really not and this is bound to have a negative effect on the end product regardless of who is the manager. We're only ever going to underachieve so long as SISU are here, they're not in the business of creating a positive environment that lends itself to achieving, over achieving or success. When are some people on here going to understand and accept this.

So Pressley has the worst budget in League 1? He has the worst set of players in League 1?

I don't claim we are the best run club in the league, very much far from it, very far. My point was about the over exaggerations when it comes to Pressley.

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Nick said:
So Pressley has the worst budget in League 1? He has the worst set of players in League 1?

Yep, like I said when are some people on here going to understand and accept that the club will always underachieve so long as SISU are here.

You could double the current alleged budget, have higher quality player than we apparently already have and a manager with a proven and respected track record at this level and so long as SISU are still here we'll still under achieve. There is not a thing that they've done that creates an environment for achieving, overachieving or success, just the opposite in fact.

Tonylinc · Feb 19, 2015

Living in Scunny have just visited the local Tesco and read (on the sly) the back page of the local paper. Mark Robins talking about the play offs. Now there is a manager who tells it as it is.....no B/S no spin....How for him back at the Ricoh! Think he saw right through our owners very early on.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

Tonylinc said:
Now there is a manager who tells it as it is

He blamed the council when he left.

Think he saw right through our owners very early on.

He blamed the council when he left.

Jack Griffin · Feb 19, 2015

MARK Robins said he left Coventry City after failing to get assurances from Sisu.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/video-mark-robins---left-3014785

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

Jack Griffin said:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/video-mark-robins---left-3014785

Mark Robins said:
I absolutely wish them all the best, they work their socks off and as I’ve said before that club needs support from Coventry City Council. That led to a decision to want to speak with Huddersfield and that’s how the decision has been arrived at.

Here he is saying it in person in fact, "the council need to support Coventry City"

http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...ns-the-council-need-to-support-coventry-city/

hill83 · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
He blamed the council when he left.

He blamed the council when he left.

Ha ha. *eating popcorn gif*

Jack Griffin · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Here he is saying it in person in fact, "the council need to support Coventry City"

http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...ns-the-council-need-to-support-coventry-city/

But it is the owners who run the club, they are the ones who poisoned the formerly good relationship with the council. Cause & effect.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

hill83 said:
Ha ha. *eating popcorn gif*

It never ceases to amaze me that Robins is held up as some kind of anti-SISU freedom fighter by some, when he's been almost as unequivocal as RFC in nailing his colours to the mast!

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

Jack Griffin said:
But it is the owners who run the club, they are the ones who poisoned the formerly good relationship with the council. Cause & effect.

Mark Robins tells it how it is, "the club needs support from the council".

martcov · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Here he is saying it in person in fact, "the council need to support Coventry City"

http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...ns-the-council-need-to-support-coventry-city/

Yes, but in the sentence above he blamed the move on not got getting assurances from SISU. That the council should support CCFC is secondary to the main reason - that the owners should give the necessary assurances. The council are hardly likely to give the manager assurances - that is the job of the owners.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

martcov said:
Yes, but in the sentence above he blamed the move on not got getting assurances from SISU.

How could SISU give assurances that they'd get the support they needed from the council?

Hindsight says they were right not to give those assurances!

Tonylinc · Feb 19, 2015

I suspect that the conversation went something like this:-
MR Joy I need some assurances as to future investment.
JS Well Mark I would love to give you that but those nasty people at the Council refuse to give us the stadium for free.
MR If they give it for free will you then be able to assure me of future finance?
JS Ah.........No

hill83 · Feb 19, 2015

Tonylinc said:
I suspect that the conversation went something like this:-
MR Joy I need some assurances as to future investment.
JS Well Mark I would love to give you that but those nasty people at the Council refuse to give us the stadium for free.
MR If they give it for free will you then be able to assure me of future finance?
JS Ah.........No

That's a lovely little convenient guess. And it could be right, but I'll be sticking with what he actually came out and said the 'bleeding sky blue' ballbag. If he had a shit record for us we wouldn't even be talking about this, but because he did pretty well people are dancing around ducking and diving to make out he was an all round hero.

Edit: See the next post as a prime example

georgehudson · Feb 19, 2015

perhaps
messrs Clarke, (the pr guru); Dulieu (the tracksuit); Brody (txt a sub); Clouting (the invisible); Igwe (fan engagement); Labowic (blairite) ; Fisher (storyteller) ; or Waggott (latest storyteller);
might care to comment on the player purchasing policy as instructed from above,
confidentiality clauses have been put on managers / coaches for many years

Tonylinc · Feb 19, 2015

hill83 said:
That's a lovely little convenient guess. And it could be right, but I'll be sticking with what he actually came out and said the 'bleeding sky blue' ballbag. If he had a shit record for us we wouldn't even be talking about this, but because he did pretty well people are dancing around ducking and diving to make out he was an all round hero.

Edit: See the next post as a prime example

But that is exactly the point that I am trying to make.....he is a very good Manager and our owners allowed him to leave. Why? Because he would not tow the party line? Because he demanded assurances? Because he had more ambition than they did? Whichever way you look at it we are far worse off without him.

hill83 · Feb 19, 2015

Tonylinc said:
But that is exactly the point that I am trying to make.....he is a very good Manager and our owners allowed him to leave. Why? Because he would not tow the party line? Because he demanded assurances? Because he had more ambition than they did? Whichever way you look at it we are far worse off without him.

I'm not convinced that was your original point. But I do agree with what you are saying in this post.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

hill83 said:
I'm not convinced that was your original point.

He's no eel.

hill83 · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
He's no eel.

He's got forumming down to a tee I'll give him that.

martcov · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
How could SISU give assurances that they'd get the support they needed from the council?

Hindsight says they were right not to give those assurances!

assurances - doesn't refer to the council, but to SISU giving assurances on whatever he asked them for. That the council should support CCFC is a wish not a demand.

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Here he is saying it in person in fact, "the council need to support Coventry City"

http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...ns-the-council-need-to-support-coventry-city/

Forget the council. When are SISU going to start supporting CCFC?

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Mark Robins tells it how it is, "the club needs support from the council".

Do you ever think that he just didn't want to burn his bridges on the chance he might need a job one day and as he was unlikely to seek employment with CCC in that scenario thought it best to leave on a good note with SISU?

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Forget the council. When are SISU going to start supporting CCFC?

Wasn't me who wanted tp bring up Robins telling it as it is.

Deleted member 5849 · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Do you ever think that he just didn't want to burn his bridges on the chance he might need a job one day and as he was unlikely to seek employment with CCC in that scenario thought it best to leave on a good note with SISU?

Alternatively, he told it how he saw it.

You could also say many other people don't want to burn their bridges, given they may need CCC's help in the future.

Higgs Trust, for example, are really pro-SISU but as they need CCC co-operation for future projects, they don't want to burn their bridges.

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Wasn't me who wanted tp bring up Robins telling it as it is.

Sorry. That was a general comment, not specifically aimed at you.

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Deleted member 5849 said:
Alternatively, he told it how he saw it.

You could also say many other people don't want to burn their bridges, given they may need CCC's help in the future.

Higgs Trust, for example, are really pro-SISU but as they need CCC co-operation for future projects, they don't want to burn their bridges.

It must have been the way they counter sued them a ridiculous amount meaning that it had to go to crown court and greatly increase their legal bill. With friends like that who needs enemies?

PS did you manage to keep a straight face while typing that

Grendel · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Do you ever think that he just didn't want to burn his bridges on the chance he might need a job one day and as he was unlikely to seek employment with CCC in that scenario thought it best to leave on a good note with SISU?

No there is zero chance that was in his thinking.

Nick · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Do you ever think that he just didn't want to burn his bridges on the chance he might need a job one day and as he was unlikely to seek employment with CCC in that scenario thought it best to leave on a good note with SISU?

Surely if SISU were so bad he wouldn't be arsed about having a job here to come back to?

Godiva · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
It must have been the way they counter sued them a ridiculous amount meaning that it had to go to crown court and greatly increase their legal bill. With friends like that who needs enemies?

The suit/countersuit was a prelude to the JR - the result was a disclosure of a number of documents that was otherwise out of reach for sisu.
(Wasn't it then the 'Hell Freezes Over' note was first revealed?)

What are friends for?

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Grendel said:
No there is zero chance that was in his thinking.

Mind reader. Is there no end to your imaginary talents?

hill83 · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Mind reader. Is there no end to your imaginary talents?

There's a few people doing that in this thread.

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

Nick said:
Surely if SISU were so bad he wouldn't be arsed about having a job here to come back to?

Tell me Nick why would he burn the bridge to re-employment at a club where he would clearly be a popular fans choice should he be unemployed and that said club be without a manager?

You don't seem to have noticed but football management is a cut throat and often short lived career so I don't think you are crediting him with the intelligence he has clearly demonstrated.

skybluetony176 · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Mind reader. Is there no end to your imaginary talents?

Like who?

stupot07 · Feb 19, 2015

skybluetony176 said:
Tell me Nick why would he burn the bridge to re-employment at a club where he would clearly be a popular fans choice should he be unemployed and that said club be without a manager?

You don't seem to have noticed but football management is a cut throat and often short lived career so I don't think you are crediting him with the intelligence he has clearly demonstrated.

You wouldn't want to burn bridges.......

.....it's like when we came back to the Ricoh, the opportunity to rebuild bridges with ACL and their former owners.

And back to your point, why would Robins bother saying anything? He was moving to a club in a higher league, for more money and a better wage bill.

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