Andy Thorn (2 Viewers)

[ajsccfc]

He is the most caring of the lot but he has had he worst hand dealt in football history

If football history only takes in Coventry City in the last 5 years, sure.

 

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[Grendel]

He is the most caring of the lot but he has had he worst hand dealt in football history

You think worse than out dear friend Peter Reid who paid actually paid players out of his own pocket at Plymouth? Still got sacked as they were bottom and it's a results game. Well clearly not then.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

'His name is Andy Thorn, his name is Andy Thooooooooorn, he manages Coventry, his name is Andy Thorn!'

 

[stupot07]

I think Dowie was good with the players for sure.

Though he was woeful in the transfer Market and I remember a palace fan on CWR warning us that he was too.

Dowies Signings - mixed bag, although there is still some dispute on whether Dann and Fox were actually on Dowie's list or not. If they weren't then his signings weren't great.

Good - Best, Fox*, Dann* - *signed after takeover
Ok - konstantopolous, Robbie Simpson, Michael Hughes
Bad - Borrowdale, Cairo, De Zeuw, Simmonds, Gray, Borrowdale

 

[Grendel]

That bedsit in brighton is not doing you any favours. I'd move if i were you.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That bedsit in brighton is not doing you any favours. I'd move if i were you.

Why move eh?

 

[cloughie]

Not at all. If he gets us out of the mess that he has got us into i ll be delighted. After all that is kind of his job

A mess yes. yet should we suppose sisu had nothing to do with selling our better players and making a managers job almost impossible.

I suppose its ok to say don't blame these young players they are just learning their trade and are getting better with experience , but isn't that what Thorn is doing as a manager?

 

[keef]

Dowie was ok. He was passionate and i liked his approach. Towards the end though he was losing the plot and appeared to have run out of ideas.

The thing about Thorn is that he likes the team to play football and by all accounts has them playing well. I don't think he can be judged as either good or bad until he actually has a chance to build a squad of his own that suits the way he wants to play the game. Most managers taking over a squad in or position would opt to shore up the defence and play hoofball not play their way out of trouble. I can admire that in AT even if its not working out its sure as hell better than dire football week in week out with the same results. We have fallen for the 'experienced' manager twaddle so many times and not one has managed to do anything with the squads we've had since relegation.
I'd like to see AT and EB manage the team together in an ideal world.

 

[Grendel]

Didn't Dowie sign Fox and Dann? I could be wrong!!

To back up your point though... he did sign Borrowdale!!

Of course when you think about it dowies success was largely down to a signing he never made and who only played for 30 minutes for the manager who signed him.

 

[rob9872]

We made money on Borrowdale, Best, Fox, Dann. Even Robbie Simpson whatever you thought of him he cost us about £50k and we sold him for £500k. Some signings were bad but I'm sure net transfers was cash in the bank.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

Dowie was ok. He was passionate and i liked his approach. Towards the end though he was losing the plot and appeared to have run out of ideas.

Exactly right.

The final three months of Dowie's tenure: 11 points from 15 games; goal difference of -12; average points-per-game was 0.73 (the team that finished last in the table, Colchester, had an average of 0.82 across the season).

CCFC tanked from fifth in the table to 19th over that period of time. They were four points from relegation at the time of his sacking, with a worse goal difference than all but one of the teams below. And this was not a team back on the rise - we had lost five of our previous six league games.

Any assessment of Dowie should be generous because of his cup exploits, but it's a mistake to let those cup successes blind us to the horror show that was happening in the league. Giving a new manager the final third of the season to try to turn things around was the right thing to do.

 

[Astute]

We finished 8th that's the one fact I was referring to. Avoided going down as well when we looked in real trouble. Would have done well other than the no drinks at Christmas debacle.

When we finished 8th after being in trouble that season was it to do with the manager, or was it that we signed Wise who ran every game and turned our season around? If you think it was Wise then it shows you need at least one class player. The same manager did crap that season until towards the end.

 

[Astute]

We finished 8th in his only full season - fact

Dennis Wise in the team was the reason :laugh:

 

[Astute]

i think AT hands have been tied.but fans keep going on about the 3 youth players i remember when sir alex picked a load of kids 1 season they said they would fail they only went on to win the league so it is down to the manger he picks the team.

So AT would fail if he had a young Beckham, Scoles and all the others he had. Class shows. Also, how can you put the best manager in british history with a team full of internationals against AT and our squad?

 

[Astute]

What must Thorn do?

There are a few different views on AT. Where do your thoughts come closest to, and reason why?

1, It will be a miracle if he keeps us up. He should stay whatever the outcome of this season is.

2, He will have done well if he keeps us up. He should stay if he keeps us up.

3, He will have done well if he keeps us up, but we need someone more experienced next season.

4, Doing OK, should be doing better. Time to go at the end of the season and go back to scouting for us.

5, We have a lot better squad than our position suggests. Thanks AT, but it is time to go and bring someone else in ASAP.

6, Poor manager, all his fault.

I am stuck between 1 and 2 myself. The reason of my thoughts are that nearly every quality player we had when he took over has left on a free or has been sold. Would love to see what he could do with 2 to 3m to spend. Looks like SISU will be with us for the forseeable future though

 

[skybluegod]

1or 2 for me cant blame thorn he is right we are so unlucky.

 

[Otis]

To me it all depends on any supposed takeover.

If a takeover happens I think the question will be redundant, as I am convinced the new board will bring their own man in.


I'm sort of in the number 2 camp, he will have done well if he keeps us up. What has had me very disappointed has been that I expected a struggle this season, but at no point in time was I expecting us to be as much as 8 points adrift at the bottom of the table. In that respect we have underachieved.

Was expecting us to be in and around the bottom 6 places, not rock bottom.

 

[Covstu]

Bring in Paolo Di Canio and be done with it!!!!

 

[ajsccfc]

There are a few different views on AT. Where do your thoughts come closest to, and reason why?

1, It will be a miracle if he keeps us up. He should stay whatever the outcome of this season is.

2, He will have done well if he keeps us up. He should stay if he keeps us up.

3, He will have done well if he keeps us up, but we need someone more experienced next season.

4, Doing OK, should be doing better. Time to go at the end of the season and go back to scouting for us.

5, We have a lot better squad than our position suggests. Thanks AT, but it is time to go and bring someone else in ASAP.

6, Poor manager, all his fault.

I am stuck between 1 and 2 myself. The reason of my thoughts are that nearly every quality player we had when he took over has left on a free or has been sold. Would love to see what he could do with 2 to 3m to spend. Looks like SISU will be with us for the forseeable future though

A mix of 2 and 4. Should be doing better with recent signs of a resurgence encouraging, and if he does keep us up it would suggest a corner had been turned so he should certainly continue.

 

[sky blue john]

No and nor did Coleman or boothroyd but no-one would apply the blameless tag to them either.

The difference with Coleman and Boothroyd is they both got a healthy transfer budget and only managed to finish just above relegation. AT has had a transfer budget of zero and had all our best players sold from under him.

 

[We'll_live_and_die]

They're not knockers they're man boobs.

Maybe he's been working out.

 

[covcity4life]

noone can doubt AT scouting skills,thats why im still optimistic on cody macdonald

tactics wise hes not top notch but now hes got pace he has been oanbout since start of season maybe we will get to see thorns true vision play out