Civil courts can't award fines, that's for criminal courts. They can award damages, but I'm struggling to see on what grounds in this circumstance. Wasps haven't broken any contract with SISU that I know of, and there's no obligation in law for them to deal with SISU for (say) a new rental deal. Even if Wasps were sold the Ricoh undervalue, the remedy was between them and the council.
If in law (rather than morally) via the JRs the Council are found to have done nothing wrong, there's not much chance of damages there either!
If the appeal to the Supreme Court is turned down, I can't see how this isn't the end of the road for the legals. On what grounds could Wasps be brought back into court?
So if the current litigation is not about damages or fines, it is about grinding the other parties down?
Ah right, didn't know about the fines/damages distinction. From what I understand the difference in other cases has come down to the requirement for 'proof beyond reasonable doubt' in a criminal court vs a lower threshold in a civil court. I agree that it seems unlikely they could win damages if all the judgements have gone against them to date but perhaps that would be their hope?
If the damages are to cover the damage to SISU's good name i think that i have some loose change to cover that. I could possibly cover any loss to Wasps' name too.The possibility for legal action, if there is any, is to bring a civil case on the basis that various parties have been deliberately unreasonable (not that they have broken the law) and that has caused damage to the SISU "good name", the investment and the business. It is not a clear cut case of rules were broken. It would tie various parties up in expensive legal costs for some time. Is there a case to be made i have no idea. The aim would be to obtain compensation. Certainly Seppala has always maintained that she and her companies have been mistreated and unfairly dealt with. The burden of proof i believe would be much less
How they square that with the damage their own actions have caused i have no idea
The possibility for legal action, if there is any, is to bring a civil case on the basis that various parties have been deliberately unreasonable (not that they have broken the law) and that has caused damage to the SISU "good name", the investment and the business. It is not a clear cut case of rules were broken. It would tie various parties up in expensive legal costs for some time. Is there a case to be made i have no idea. The aim would be to obtain compensation. Certainly Seppala has always maintained that she and her companies have been mistreated and unfairly dealt with. The burden of proof i believe would be much less
How they square that with the damage their own actions have caused i have no idea
He's not saying that with any knowledge he's just saying it's possible which it is...possible something submitted by Coventry City’s lawyer’s at the last minute. We’re likely to have a definite answer on whether this is set to rumble on at some point on Monda
simon gilbert tweet this evening not greatif true
I suspect valuing the ground for SISU he said the council pretty much give it away.I didn’t ask who he worked for but il dig a little more next time I see him for sure.He said Fisher was fed up of it all he knows their will be a change somewhere down the line he advised they took on partners backers etc and took a back seat.We then got onto the squad he said Grimmer likes a drink & Jodi Jones don’t want to put a tackle in training lol I would think too from Fisher.Yes he could not be telling me the truth who knows but to have put fisher number in his phone ans miss a call from him shown in red on iPhone and a call back from his phone without me knowing would be genius so for my money I’m happy to say I think it was legit,just thought I would report back on here for you guys.But yes seems Joy thinks we’re gonna get promoted and then sell & Wasps are losing 10m a year and they have till 2021 to pay back bonds etc and they don’t think they can do it maybe opening up a move on the ground for SISU.He thinks if sisu had the ground they would of sold up and been gone long by now.Just curious......but
valuing the ground for who though? The freehold is valued at nil by CCC in the council accounts - has been for years. The lease was valued by KPMG for CCC and then by Strutt & Parker LLP and Gerald Eve LLP for Wasps...... was he from one of those?
Didnt the recent court case confirm CCC adopted correct procedure and were entitled to sell at the value they did? They still own the freehold of course
so Seppala has no real plan and is relying on a large slice of luck in getting to the Championship sometime to be able to sell the club then? Given the additional cost the promotion brings with it that have to be financed and the lack of assets or long term base how does the value of CCFC greatly increase from where it is now? What happens if we dont get promoted? what she has said in the past are values that bear no resemblance to the value of the business in any division has that changed?
You are just saying things everybody knows. It's not really insider infoI suspect valuing the ground for SISU he said the council pretty much give it away.I didn’t ask who he worked for but il dig a little more next time I see him for sure.He said Fisher was fed up of it all he knows their will be a change somewhere down the line he advised they took on partners backers etc and took a back seat.We then got onto the squad he said Grimmer likes a drink & Jodi Jones don’t want to put a tackle in training lol I would think too from Fisher.Yes he could not be telling me the truth who knows but to have put fisher number in his phone ans miss a call from him shown in red on iPhone and a call back from his phone without me knowing would be genius so for my money I’m happy to say I think it was legit,just thought I would report back on here for you guys.But yes seems Joy thinks we’re gonna get promoted and then sell & Wasps are losing 10m a year and they have till 2021 to pay back bonds etc and they don’t think they can do it maybe opening up a move on the ground for SISU.He thinks if sisu had the ground they would of sold up and been gone long by now.
I haven’t really followed the court case etc so I’m not fully upto date on what people do and don’t need Know I don’t be claim to be an insider lol just reporting back what I heard that’s all nickYou are just saying things everybody knows. It's not really insider info
Ask him if Julian gray has goneI haven’t really followed the court case etc so I’m not fully upto date on what people do and don’t need Know I don’t be claim to be an insider lol just reporting back what I heard that’s all nick
For a striker in January?If Joy is that desperate for promotion so she can sell she’d better get her purse out!
Absolutely mate, but what grounds are there for a case? There's no breach of contract between SISU and Wasps and if the JR goes the Council's way then they've been proven to have acted within their powers. The civil court can't re-judge the JR, that's a specific decision that will have already been decided on, so what do SISU sue for?
I'm not pretending to be an expert, but I just can't see what grounds there are for a civil case once the JR is done.
We bought three up and coming strikers in the last window.It’s a no brainer if we are in the mix come January buy an up and coming striker if we can push the boat out a tad we have a great chance of getting promotion which could see Joy open to an offer. Wasps might be in a position to talk to a new owner and if we do not get promotion the striker is an asset and not a shit or bust player that is on big money and past it.
Only a thought.
You're asking SISU to care about CCFC, has ten years of shit not made you work that answer out yet?The most promising news we’ve had for a while. Still cautious, but maybe they can start to work towards securing our immediate and longer term future at the Ricoh.
Publicly announcing they want to sell up is the only right thing for them to do.Sure SISU will have something up their sleeve. Can’t see them just walking away.
No I don’t think they care much about the club but they do give a shit about whether they make any money from it. The only way to give them a chance at doing that is by staying at the Ricoh as any other other isn’t viable other than building a new ground which we all know is pie in the sky. So what motive have they got to try and do anything else?You're asking SISU to care about CCFC, has ten years of shit not made you work that answer out yet?
SISU and the right thing to do and not compatible.Publicly announcing they want to sell up is the only right thing for them to do.
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I, just like the vast majority were never questioned when I joined as I posted about my team. You bots stick out a mile, your crib sheet on how to defend doesn’t work when we’ve all clocked it. Come up with something new.
Engage with me if you want but PR being used on here is a fact. This makes you look like a crank.
Engage with me if you want but PR being used on here is a fact. This makes you look like a crank.
No, people working in PR being paid to go on to a forum is different to a programmed bot, come on.OK, just so we are clear.
You seriously believe the council have programmed AI bots that can respond on here with a level of detail ahead of anything the research teams at Baidu or DeepMind could produce?
And me not buying this makes *me* look like a crank?
Or did you mean the word shill? Which is still hilariously paranoid, but at least in the realms of possibility.
No, people working in PR being paid to go on to a forum is different to a programmed bot, come on.
Recon there's a few on here.No, people working in PR being paid to go on to a forum is different to a programmed bot, come on.
Wow, so this is all to do with the term bot instead of shill, great. You knew what I wan on about you've just gone one a pissy about it for no reason. I think anybody that is a city fan isn't a "shill" I think people with masked IPs and dead accounts that pop up are. IS that simple enough for you?Yes. And like every other thing that is different from something, we use a different word.
A “bot” is a computer program. A shill is a paid poster, AKA astroturfer. If that’s what you meant, say so. Because saying bots is ridiculous.
So how much cash do you think they’re spending on astroturfing SBT as a fairly small forum with a hyper-anti-council userbase? To what end?
Do we count Nick and Grendel and the like as Sisu shills because they’ve been given info to post as well?
Just trying to set the boundaries here.
They're so obvious, like the one that popped up recently that had been set up in 2012 but not posted until a new development about Wasps had come up and they were desperate to get in there, never on a match thread though. To suggest it's a conspiracy theory is just scraping the barrel.Recon there's a few on here.
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