SkyBlueSoul
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England’s batting so far:
Ashes 2023 (4 Viewers)
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Anderson and Broad moaning about the foot holes I bet they wouldn’t be if they were taking wickets.
After this series Anderson needs to do the right thing and move aside as it doesn’t look like the management will do it for him.
After this series Anderson needs to do the right thing and move aside as it doesn’t look like the management will do it for him.
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If Broad didn’t think that every time he hits the pads it’s out they might let him use the drs a bit more.
Finham
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Of 4 that he claimed, 1 was actually out. He's The Broad Who Cried Wolf.
How does an umpire get it so wrong?
Finham
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Umpire only got 1 of them wrong though. Could be worse!
tisza
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Hard to blame Anderson in some ways.
Stokes and McCullum have asked groundsmen to produce dry, flat wickets. Anderson isn't suited to those (some of his overseas records show it too). He admitted as much after Edgbaston.
Not a lot of thought seems to have gone into how to take 20 wickets with these pitches - focus all about how the batsmen can score quickly. Picking 4 similar paced bowlers (only early 80s) doesn't seem a recipe for bowling success.
Agree about Edgbaston even though a result was produced, however, this pitch has given bowlers enough…especially in the periods we’ve bowled. We bowled poorly at start of first innings and have been a bit unlucky in the second*. Anderson, who’s a legend, just hasn’t been his usual self, maybe partly due to him being injured in the run up to first test…can’t be as easy to recover at 40+ as I can testify !
*doesn’t help when we drop 8+ chances across first couple of tests either
ps everyone is jumping on Stokes/McCullum/Bazball, easy targets, but all I see is poor shot selection, dropped catches and not taking advantage of conditions which all rests with individual players
chiefdave
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Exactly this, you can play an attacking style of play without throwing your wicket away. There's still points in a test match where you need to pull back a bit and consolidate
You could argue England were unlucky at Edgbaston and that if taken a few of the missed chances a win was on the cards. Not sure you can say the same here, they've thrown this one away
And of course when things start going wrong, and 2-0 in the ashes is definitely that point, questions will start being asked. You can start right at the top and question if Stokes would be playing if he wasn't captain and there was a different coach. Is his fitness at the level required for a test series where every game is back to back. Didn't bat or bowl against Ireland, only managed 17 overs across 3 tests so far. Picked a spinner who hasn't played a game that involved bowling more than 4 overs in years and pick Broad & Anderson but ask pitches that are completely unsuitable for them
Need some quick wickets this morning otherwise the series is all but gone
tisza
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Yep. Eg Fielders go back to the boundaries take 2s can still keep rr well over 4 per over. Applying pressure isn't just through boundaries. If that option is closed off run better the wickets and force opposition to bring Fielders in.
Duck under 90 mph bouncers. It's max 2 per over.
Maximize poor balls, aggressive with mediocre balls, play good balls properly.
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If they didn’t pick Anderson they would moan and he would moan, as KP said yesterday England have picked three slow bowlers, Anderson is a master with the ball but allows a lot of time to play it now.
They need raw pace but n the side and you could leave out any of Broad, Anderson or Robinson to get them in.
tisza
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where's the raw pace outside of Archer, Stone & Wood - none of whom can stay fit? Tongue has previously been clocked at 90 but down from that 1st 2 Tests. Maybe Carse at Durham, Jamie Overton. A load in the mid-80s but raw pace out there - unless I'm missing somone.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Fielding from England has been a shambles, to me it shows preparation has been poor
Such a shame with Archer especially. Not sure if it made a difference (can’t have helped) but he was bowled into the ground a couple of times by Root/Silverwood. Could really have done with one of them being fit, especially with this short pitch tactic
Tongue looked good/lively
Agreed. Cost us at edgbaston and hasn’t helped here. Although Anderson dropping head did get smith on strike to be out next ball…funny old game
Bairstow is giving me the shits still ! If they get Head out cheaply then could give us a tiny sniff…still massively behind in the game thoughEdit - Rootys obviously been practicing. That was a belter !
They keep mentioning maybe pitch is a bit two paced so players mistiming shots
chiefdave
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The preparation was a golf trip
chiefdave
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the guy can barely move, get it on target. few Yorkers in the mix and he's done
SBAndy
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That last wicket partnership I’d have bowled full and straight every ball. Can’t make a run and it’s undoubtedly harder to score a boundary than the short stuff. It was almost risk-free. Instead we’ve conceded 10 runs because we can’t dynamically alter the game plan.
Sky Blue Pete
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Good come back
Loads of time - I wonder if England can knacker the fast bowlers out
Loads of time - I wonder if England can knacker the fast bowlers out
Sky Blue Pete
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Would have taken chasing 371 at 180-2
chiefdave
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its a good batting strip still so its not out of the question but need to bat sensibly. Can still go at a rate without trying to smash everything out the ground
SBAndy
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Oh absolutely. Nothing to do with the point I was making though. Could have been chasing 360 instead.
Sky Blue Pete
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Greedy boy
SBAndy
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Ha. It’s so basic. They couldn’t run between the wickets. By half-tracking it they could play baseball and it brought boundaries into play. Absolutely no chance Lyon would have had the footwork to deal with fuller balls.
I thought it was poor form from Australia. Whether it worsens the specific injury or not (I can’t imagine it will do it any good) he can’t move which makes it very dangerous when he’s likely to face short balls. Fair enough if they were only 200 ahead, maybe everyone considers it’s worth the risk, but 350 ?!! Bit desperate from the Aussies and totally unnecessary.
