Back to being the biggest club in Coventry? (1 Viewer)

[Nick]

Nick - I completely get what you are saying but I'm sure you also know that not everybody fits the black and white mould you describe. Perhaps I am passionate in my posts but that passion doesn't stem from a support of Wasps it stems from being passionate about my views and experiences, there is a subtle difference. I don't have an agenda ! I could have easily said I'm a supporter of one team or another (that might have made life easier ) but I'm not.

Perhaps bullying is not the right description but my point is that some just join in and make posts to have a go at the person because they disagree rather than contribute to the discussion and say why they don't agree, which frequently involves throwing insults and swearing.

That is probably because posters are used to people coming to just do PR...

 

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[ranstone]

That is probably because posters are used to people coming to just do PR...

fair enough but some also do it amongst CCFC supporters which would tend to suggest they do it simply because they disagree not because they think its a PR imposter !

 

[ranstone]

That is probably because posters are used to people coming to just do PR...

I also think that people sometimes kid themselves that Wasps need to come on here to sway the opinion of a few die hard CCFC fans ............. does anyone think they really need to do that ? I certainly don't ! .... what does it matter to Wasps ? .... like I say with no disrespect to anyone but the few on here that bang on negatively about Wasps are hardly representative of the general CCFC supporter population (whether you like to hear that or not). I really don't think they would waste their time which is why it makes me laugh that I'm accused of being some kind of PR rep for Wasps

 

[Nick]

I also think that people sometimes kid themselves that Wasps need to come on here to sway the opinion of a few die hard CCFC fans ............. does anyone think they really need to do that ? I certainly don't ! .... what does it matter to Wasps ? .... like I say with no disrespect to anyone but the few on here that bang on negatively about Wasps are hardly representative of the general CCFC supporter population (whether you like to hear that or not). I really don't think they would waste their time which is why it makes me laugh that I'm accused of being some kind of PR rep for Wasps

I think it is a few more than a few on here who dislike Wasps and the situation.

They clearly would waste their time though, as they have signed up on here (them, or a representive) to post in the past... So there is no "kidding" involved.

Have you done a survey for the CCFC supporter population? Being as you aren't a CCFC fan and haven't been to a game but live locally? I must admit, I was surprised at how many seemed to dislike Wasps when "timecapsulegate" happened. It was a fair few more and a wider "range" of people than a few bitter posters on here.

 

[Grendel]

I also think that people sometimes kid themselves that Wasps need to come on here to sway the opinion of a few die hard CCFC fans ............. does anyone think they really need to do that ? I certainly don't ! .... what does it matter to Wasps ? .... like I say with no disrespect to anyone but the few on here that bang on negatively about Wasps are hardly representative of the general CCFC supporter population (whether you like to hear that or not). I really don't think they would waste their time which is why it makes me laugh that I'm accused of being some kind of PR rep for Wasps

How do you know the majority of fans are not negative about wasps?

 

[ranstone]

I think it is a few more than a few on here who dislike Wasps and the situation.

They clearly would waste their time though, as they have signed up on here (them, or a representive) to post in the past... So there is no "kidding" involved.

Have you done a survey for the CCFC supporter population? Being as you aren't a CCFC fan and haven't been to a game but live locally? I must admit, I was surprised at how many seemed to dislike Wasps when "timecapsulegate" happened. It was a fair few more and a wider "range" of people than a few bitter posters on here.

I fully understand there are more than the few on here that object to Wasps and the associated issues, what I'm saying is that the few on here (I specifically mean those that populate the Wasps forum rather than your general posters) are not necessarily representative of the thousands and thousands of good people who follow and watch CCFC week in week out, who probably have a complete spectrum and variety of views from one extreme to the other.

I'm sure that Wasps supporters have signed up in the past to 'sing their song' or get their views across but it surprises me that anyone actually employed by Wasps would sign up but I accept what you say if that's true. I do doubt that they would continue the need to do that at this stage though... but you would have better insight to that than me !

 

[Nick]

I fully understand there are more than the few on here that object to Wasps and the associated issues, what I'm saying is that the few on here (I specifically mean those that populate the Wasps forum rather than your general posters) are not necessarily representative of the thousands and thousands of good people who follow and watch CCFC week in week out, who probably have a complete spectrum and variety of views from one extreme to the other.

I'm sure that Wasps supporters have signed up in the past to 'sing their song' or get their views across but it surprises me that anyone actually employed by Wasps would sign up but I accept what you say if that's true. I do doubt that they would continue the need to do that at this stage though... but you would have better insight to that than me !

But how do you know that most city fans don't dislike Wasps or have different views to people on here? Have you done surveys?

Like I said, I was surprised myself about "Time Capsule Gate" and the "Fuck off back to London Wasps" type comments.

99.9% people don't populate a particular section of the site, I think that is literally just you now, being the avid local person with an interest in Wasps / CCFC and The Ricoh.

Why would directors of ACL signup on here and post if they didn't think it could be influential? That's not saying here represents a majority of fans, as it doesn't, but it is an easy place to get access to a wide range of views.

 

[ranstone]

How do you know the majority of fans are not negative about wasps?

I dont .... what I said was the few on here who bang on about Wasps negatively are hardly representative of the CCFC supporter population ..... that doesn't just mean being anti Wasps that means in all aspects, there are some on here who are rude, insulting, cant accept that not everyone shares the same opinion, unable to discuss like an adult etc etc etc .... that's not representative of the thousands of good people who support CCFC regardless of their Wasps views.

 

[Nick]

I dont .... what I said was the few on here who bang on about Wasps negatively are hardly representative of the CCFC supporter population ..... that doesn't just mean being anti Wasps that means in all aspects, there are some on here who are rude, insulting, cant accept that not everyone shares the same opinion, unable to discuss like an adult etc etc etc .... that's not representative of the thousands of good people who support CCFC regardless of their Wasps views.

like I say with no disrespect to anyone but the few on here that bang on negatively about Wasps are hardly representative of the general CCFC supporter population (whether you like to hear that or not)

I am not sure why it would be disrespecting anybody to say that not all CCFC fans are abusive? It certainly reads that the general CCFC supporter population don't "bang on" negatively about Wasps? How do you know? How many CCFC fans have you spoken to?

That line is trying to make out it is just the few on here who are negative about Wasps, why play it down?

 

[ranstone]

But how do you know that most city fans don't dislike Wasps or have different views to people on here? Have you done surveys?

No surveys ... but see my response to Grendel below.

Why would directors of ACL signup on here and post if they didn't think it could be influential? That's not saying here represents a majority of fans, as it doesn't, but it is an easy place to get access to a wide range of views.

I don't know why they would sign up, its surprises me that they did, but I fully accept what you say if they did. I'm not naive enough to think that none of these people read the forums, I'm quite sure Wasps and others read them but contributing I really don't see what they would achieve !

 

[ranstone]

I am not sure why it would be disrespecting anybody to say that not all CCFC fans are abusive? It certainly reads that the general CCFC supporter population don't "bang on" negatively about Wasps? How do you know? How many CCFC fans have you spoken to?

That line is trying to make out it is just the few on here who are negative about Wasps, why play it down?

It seems that once again you are micro analyzing and pulling apart out of context what I have said ..... trying to trip me up and out me as Pro Wasps, well you wont succeed because I'm not

Funny how you haven't pulled this apart, which is actually more relevant to the thread title !

It doesn't need a Wasps supporter to see that Wasps have pulled off a shrewd bit of business by moving to the Ricoh, regardless of all the historical politics.

Likewise it doesn't need a Wasps supporter to see that in the short time that they have been there they have done pretty well on and off the pitch, raking in a pretty good income from the whole operation, sitting in a play off place in the league, in a European quarter final, buying in some of the best players in world rugby, not bad for a team that's going to fail because they sell £1 tickets to school kids. Whether that continues remains to be seen but if it was my business/franchise I'd be pretty happy at the moment.

 

[chiefdave]

Seems a lot of effort being made by someone who just happens to live near the Ricoh but isn't interested in Wasps or us!

 

[Nick]

It seems that for somebody local, you only really seem to know things about Wasps. Nothing about when the local football team got moved away.

You don't know how the local football fans behaved, things they said when we got moved but now you do when it is to do with Wasps?

 

[Nick]

It seems that once again you are micro analyzing and pulling apart out of context what I have said ..... trying to trip me up and out me as Pro Wasps, well you wont succeed because I'm not

Funny how you haven't pulled this apart, which is actually more relevant to the thread title !

What is funnier is how Pro Wasps the quote you pointed out is.. I don't think you need outting, people can just read all of your posts and see you only post on Wasps threads. I can't be bothered to check, but I'd be pretty sure when you browse you only look at Wasps threads.

I don't think many have said they are going to fail have they? For somebody with a "local" interest you are very keen to get the point across they won't Spending an awful lot of time trying to force your point across.

99.9% of other people do it on here out of passion for CCFC.

 

[ranstone]

Seems a lot of effort being made by someone who just happens to live near the Ricoh but isn't interested in Wasps or us!

Does it ? Depends what you consider a lot of effort ..... once again someone chipping to have a dig that but cant contribute anything meaningful to the thread.

 

[ranstone]

What is funnier is how Pro Wasps the quote you pointed out is.. I don't think you need outting, people can just read all of your posts and see you only post on Wasps threads.

I don't think many have said they are going to fail have they? For somebody with a "local" interest you are very keen to get the point across they won't

In terms of relevance to what was being discussed yesterday it was all about whether they would fail because of offering £1 tickets, devaluing the brand blah, blah, blah .... again you are taking things out of context to suit your argument/criticism as seems the trend on here .

 

[Nick]

Does it ? Depends what you consider a lot of effort ..... once again someone chipping to have a dig that but cant contribute anything meaningful to the thread.

It is meaningful to the thread isn't it? You are a member of a CCFC forum who just uses it to talk about Wasps, who are you to tell other people what is meaningful to a thread or not?

You see normal people who sign up to forums wouldn't post like that either.

It is a lot of effort and a fair bit of time spent arguing on here, like I said others do it because of their passion for CCFC. You do it because you live locally.

 

[Nick]

In terms of relevance to what was being discussed yesterday it was all about whether they would fail because of offering £1 tickets, devaluing the brand blah, blah, blah .... again you are taking things out of context to suit your argument/criticism as seems the trend on here .

You seem very focussed for things to remain exactly on the topic you want to talk about... It's like an Indian Call centre when you ask them what the weather is like and it baffles them.

Nobody has said they would fail based on £1 tickets would they? I think most of the discussion is about the image it gives and how well it would work to gain permanent fans?

You didn't reply about the bits about living locally and the effect Sixfields had?

 

[Moff]

Funny how like your chums on here you selectively pull things out of context to suit your own argument

Notice how you didn't really contribute anything to the discussion at hand ..... just came in here to join your mates, jump on my back and criticize me personally

I didnt pull things out of context. Its what I thought, your post was cringe worthy, nearly as cringeworthy as accusing me of threatening you. You need to lighten up and grow the f*ck up, you would get more respect.

As for not contributing anything to the discussion in hand, if you acted more like a reasoned adult and checked the thread you would see I have contributed many times, probably a lot more than yourself. It seems in your own words 'you have selectively pulled things out of context to suit your own arguement'

The ironic thing was the post I originally commented on, written by yourself, also contributed minimally to the discussion, but lets conveniently sweep that under the carpet to suit your stance.

As for joining my mates, seriously how old are you, grow up and grow some balls, as not everyone is going to see it from your point of you and people will disgaree, as well as agree, so deal with it, and then we can have reasoned discussion.

 

[ranstone]

I didnt pull things out of context. Its what I thought, your post was cringe worthy, nearly as cringeworthy as accusing me of threatening you. You need to lighten up and grow the f*ck up, you would get more respect.

As for not contributing anything to the discussion in hand, if you acted more like a reasoned adult and checked the thread you would see I have contributed many times, probably a lot more than yourself. It seems in your own words 'you have selectively pulled things out of context to suit your own arguement'

The ironic thing was the post I originally commented on, written by yourself, also contributed minimally to the discussion, but lets conveniently sweep that under the carpet to suit your stance.

As for joining my mates, seriously how old are you, grow up and grow some balls, as not everyone is going to see it from your point of you and people will disgaree, as well as agree, so deal with it, and then we can have reasoned discussion.

Thanks for the lecture Moff .... very grown up

I've acted very much like a reasoned adult but that does all depend who I'm responding to and their own attitude.

 

[ranstone]

You seem very focussed for things to remain exactly on the topic you want to talk about... It's like an Indian Call centre when you ask them what the weather is like and it baffles them.

Nobody has said they would fail based on £1 tickets would they? I think most of the discussion is about the image it gives and how well it would work to gain permanent fans?

You didn't reply about the bits about living locally and the effect Sixfields had?

Oh OK you've found me out. Inspector Clouseau (AKA Nick) has rumbled me.

I'm actually a die hard Wasps supporter living in London.

So now that's all out in the open can I still post here ? as you said that you would rather I just be honest and it would be OK ? !

 

[Nick]

Oh OK you've found me out. Inspector Clouseau (AKA Nick) has rumbled me.

I'm actually a die hard Wasps supporter living in London.

So now that's all out in the open can I still post here ? as you said that you would rather I just be honest and it would be OK ? !

So if you are being serious now, why not just say that and instead try to bullshit?

 

[Moff]

Thanks for the lecture Moff .... very grown up

I've acted very much like a reasoned adult but that does all depend who I'm responding to and their own attitude.

Now we have established the boundaries that I am the more adult of us, perhaps we could in future engage in reasoned debate.

(I hope you realise that is tongue in cheek and I dont have to explain it all, and to be fair my post was grown up, I could have just insulted you but that wouldnt have been a reasoned adult would it)

 

[ranstone]

So if you are being serious now, why not just say that and instead try to bullshit?

Nick, I'm kidding .... but in all honesty it would be far easier rather than this Spanish inquisition and pulling apart of everything I say seemingly to try and catch me out or prove that I'm some kind of Wasps plant. In the last 2 days the majority of posts have been just that rather than adult debate !

 

[ranstone]

Now we have established the boundaries that I am the more adult of us, perhaps we could in future engage in reasoned debate.

TBH Moff, that's all I've ever wanted is an adult debate !

 

[skybluetony176]

You need to hang around for a while Ranstone. Now it turns out that Chris Anderson agrees with what myself, Italia and a few others have been saying there's a few posters around here who need a new fall guy and you seem to be fitting the bill. Good luck with that. Just state the obvious and you'll never be right. That's how it works. Think of it as charity work. A care in the community sort of thing.

 

[Grendel]

You need to hang around for a while Ranstone. Now it turns out that Chris Anderson agrees with what myself, Italia and a few others have been saying there's a few posters around here who need a new fall guy and you seem to be fitting the bill. Good luck with that. Just state the obvious and you'll never be right. That's how it works. Think of it as charity work. A care in the community sort of thing.

Classic Gareth.

 

[skybluetony176]

Classic Gareth.

Ha ha ha. Oh you're such a wit.

Forgot to say Ranstone. Be prepared to be compared to some sort of comedy character by someone who once confessed "I don't do comedy" and then for someone else with an equally ridiculous inconspicuous users name to quickly like it and reply with quote something like "classic".

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I dont .... what I said was the few on here who bang on about Wasps negatively are hardly representative of the CCFC supporter population ..... that doesn't just mean being anti Wasps that means in all aspects, there are some on here who are rude, insulting, cant accept that not everyone shares the same opinion, unable to discuss like an adult etc etc etc .... that's not representative of the thousands of good people who support CCFC regardless of their Wasps views.

Changed your tune a bit?

here a few on here who are hardly representative of decent and loyal CCFC supporters and you sit with your head up your arse in complete denial of whats happening before you, finding excuses to cling on to, blowing smoke up each others arses and bullying anyone who dares to have a differing opinion (like I say hardly representative of the decent and loyal CCFC supporters in the city). Whilst there are hundreds if not running into thousands of decent CCFC supporters who have embraced the change and are enjoying it

If you have no interest in either team then go away or reveal your agenda, Italia and Tony peddle some shite but at least they represent views of actual supporters.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I am not sure why it would be disrespecting anybody to say that not all CCFC fans are abusive? It certainly reads that the general CCFC supporter population don't "bang on" negatively about Wasps? How do you know? How many CCFC fans have you spoken to?

That line is trying to make out it is just the few on here who are negative about Wasps, why play it down?

It was clear what he meant, trying to backtrack on it now he seems.

 

[Moff]

TBH Moff, that's all I've ever wanted is an adult debate !

Happy to discuss. We may disagree sometimes but will always try to see the other point of view, and respect it, even though I think I may have mentioned more than a few times I am not Wasps greatest fan, I am a Saints fan

 

[Moff]

You need to hang around for a while Ranstone. Now it turns out that Chris Anderson agrees with what myself, Italia and a few others have been saying there's a few posters around here who need a new fall guy and you seem to be fitting the bill. Good luck with that. Just state the obvious and you'll never be right. That's how it works. Think of it as charity work. A care in the community sort of thing.

To be fair Tony you need to blow Italias trumpet a little more, I think he might have mentioned this proposition a few more times than everyone else

Lets hope it works anyway, I just want CCFC to survive at present and if thats working with Wasps so be it. I wouldnt want this for good but if it meant rid of SISU in the long term and then perhaps our own base or a share of the Rioch, then I would be very amenable to this mutual agreement in the present.

I feel Wasps do need to offer a degree of leverage to help us though whether people agree or not, and show a reasonable amount of leeway, as without it we will remain treading water, and that could lead to the demise of the club, and would probably have an adverse affect on wasps, and not just from losing their main tenant.

 

[italiahorse]

Italia and Tony peddle some shite but at least they represent views of actual supporters.

.... and CCFC management evidently

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

.... and CCFC management evidently

Not all of the management though just the monkey not the organ grinder looking at the Scg notes.

 

[skybluetony176]

Not all of the management though just the monkey not the organ grinder looking at the Scg notes.

Ah but the SCG minutes pre date the latest CA comments. Maybe he's completed his analysis of renting vs building since then and concluded that once properly scrutinized building doesn't stack up against the right rent deal and is now persueing the right rent deal. If he can't get the right rent deal I'd imagine building is back on the books (or is that just on the books? Let's face it, it wasn't ever on the books originally) CA himself said he's not ruling anything out although he's made it pretty clear what the best corse of action is. Unlike his predecessors he's going to find out if it's achievable.