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KenilworthSkyBlue

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Gibbo said:
Just using this thread to make a general point about goalkeepers under Robins. Boddy described MR as 'a good judge of a player' - but does this apply to goalkeepers where it has been a bit of a car crash

He inherited Burge and since then has acquired
O'Brien (remember him?)
Marosi
Wilson (originally specifically as a number 2)
Moore
Collins
Dovin

So we have gone through 7 keepers in 7 and a bit seasons. That is a high turnover in what is normally one of the most stable positions. The rise thro the divisions offers only a partial explanation.

There have been only two seasons where there was complete confidence in the keeper
Marosi in League 1 although he was not up to the next tier
Wilson in the Play Off season - but he was behind probably the best back 3 we have had this century - McNally, McFadz and Doyle.

Moore and Collins started well enough but their performance fell away. And so it may be with Dovin altho it is early days.

I have no conclusion, it is just that we appear to be repeat offenders when it comes to keepers
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I think there's context needed for some of these signings.

In reality, the only real disappointments in that period really have been Collins and Moore.

Not counting O'Brien as it's incredibly difficult to attract a good GK anyway, let alone when you're in L2.

Marosi was pretty good and obviously was signed for L1, not the Championship. He was more a victim of the club's success.

Too early to judge Dovin but he clearly has talent.
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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Gibbo said:
Just using this thread to make a general point about goalkeepers under Robins. Boddy described MR as 'a good judge of a player' - but does this apply to goalkeepers where it has been a bit of a car crash

He inherited Burge and since then has acquired
O'Brien (remember him?)
Marosi
Wilson (originally specifically as a number 2)
Moore
Collins
Dovin

So we have gone through 7 keepers in 7 and a bit seasons. That is a high turnover in what is normally one of the most stable positions. The rise thro the divisions offers only a partial explanation.

There have been only two seasons where there was complete confidence in the keeper
Marosi in League 1 although he was not up to the next tier
Wilson in the Play Off season - but he was behind probably the best back 3 we have had this century - McNally, McFadz and Doyle.

Moore and Collins started well enough but their performance fell away. And so it may be with Dovin altho it is early days.

I have no conclusion, it is just that we appear to be repeat offenders when it comes to keepers
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Because he keeps chopping and changing them.

Dovin's done nothing wrong this season but been dropped.

Collins was actually fine for his first spell last season. Then he gets dropped for a 3 game run where we lose two and concede 5. Then he comes back in and really tailed off at the end of the season - I would suggest his confidence was knocked.
 
Hobo

Hobo

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Wilson has his faults but I always felt his critics were too harsh on him. Jumped on his errors and his clean sheets were down to the defence nonsense, ignoring the saves he made.

A bit like the take some fans had on wins were due to Adi Viveash's tactics and defeats were down to Mark Robins tactics. 😂
 
fatso

fatso

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Wilson is a solid no2, he's the king of shithousery and a good communicator, both of which Dovin has yet to learn.

I though Wilson could of done better for the second goal vs Spurs and the second and third goal vs Leeds. But overall he's OK, as he did make a number of decent saves too.

I think Dovin will come good, but needed a break, as the teams confidence was low and he's still a young guy.
I'm sure he'll get another run soon enough.

(Same can be said for Binks, who needed a break too)
 
AOM

AOM

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I still prefer Collins over Wilson, but think I'd be happy with either really as a second keeper and we can then focus on elsewhere on the pitch for improvements.

Want to see Dovin back in goal soon to establish himself as the starting keeper, but fair enough if Robins thought he needed a break
 
Sick Boy

Sick Boy

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If it's true that Dovin is one of our highest earners, it's all a bit strange. I guess there's the argument that he's one of the future, but he's hardly going to be happy to be a number 2 and will be pushing for a move next summer, IMO, if that continues to be the case.
 
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StrettoBoy

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I think Wilson is a decent keeper. To be honest, come the end of the season I would rather sell Collins and keep him as our number 2.

I’m sure that Dovin will come good as he gets more experience.
 
ccfcricoh

ccfcricoh

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Dovin i think will end up #1

I would rather keep Wilson than Collins

Wilson is an odd one, to watch him i dont necessarily rate him much, and he always has a moment in him BUT we cant deny the clean sheets he has kept and the odd great save, he's better than the reputation he has from fans, but perhaps isnt a #1
 
rob9872

rob9872

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Sick Boy said:
If it's true that Dovin is one of our highest earners, it's all a bit strange. I guess there's the argument that he's one of the future, but he's hardly going to be happy to be a number 2 and will be pushing for a move next summer, IMO, if that continues to be the case.
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I think he would have been told when he came that he's young, developing and possibly will be in and out of the side but will get his opportunities in season 1 with the intention to be confirmed starter for next season. He will learn a lot being round a few older heads as he is incredibly young for a keeper. Clearly talented, but I think we're managing him right. It would be worse to keep him in with fragile confidence, lose a few more and then the crowd be on his back.

Last season I liked Collins when he came in, there was a spell before the United game when he was dreadful for 5 or 6 on the bounce and should've come out of the team. I thought he'd get Wembley, which was fair not to miss out on that and then Wilson would get the last few games of the season. when he didn't I assumed the writing on the wall for Wilson to go, but Collins if anything got worse. That was more damaging for him and I think if he came out when he should have, he might have been the back up now.
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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rob9872 said:
Obviously that looks shite, but can you do one for 22/23 or 24/25?
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Not enough games played in 24/25 to produce one of these yet. But in the two league games he's conceded 3 goals from 1.9 PSxG which isn't very good. Obviously small sample size though.
 
rob9872

rob9872

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skybluecam said:
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Not enough games played in 24/25 to produce one of these yet. But in the two league games he's conceded 3 goals from 1.9 PSxG which isn't very good. Obviously small sample size though.
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Ta.

Being a pain i know, but is there one for all three years combined, incl cup games and everything or is it just season to season? Tyia
 
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quinn1971

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rob9872 said:
I think he would have been told when he came that he's young, developing and possibly will be in and out of the side but will get his opportunities in season 1 with the intention to be confirmed starter for next season. He will learn a lot being round a few older heads as he is incredibly young for a keeper. Clearly talented, but I think we're managing him right. It would be worse to keep him in with fragile confidence, lose a few more and then the crowd be on his back.

Last season I liked Collins when he came in, there was a spell before the United game when he was dreadful for 5 or 6 on the bounce and should've come out of the team. I thought he'd get Wembley, which was fair not to miss out on that and then Wilson would get the last few games of the season. when he didn't I assumed the writing on the wall for Wilson to go, but Collins if anything got worse. That was more damaging for him and I think if he came out when he should have, he might have been the back up now.
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think robins has done the right thing with dovin, he’s only a kid playing in a side that was struggling, few more losses and his confidence could of been shot, reckon robins thinks Wilson can take the flack if we’re struggling and fair play to him he‘s taken his chance, don‘t get the stick he gets decent keeper, you don’t win a golden glove just because you’ve got a good defence, play off season burnley,luton and sheff utd conceded less than us,based on that one of their keepers should of got it ?
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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Should have at least got a hand to Sheffield Wednesday's equaliser. Beaten on his near post from distance.
 
Adge

Adge

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skybluecam said:


Just seen this angle from behind the goal. What is he doing?
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Yep-near post and looks like his balance was all wrong. Never mind that-who is this gorm on YouTube thinking he’s some professional pundit whose opinion we are interested in?
 
ProfessorbyGrace

ProfessorbyGrace

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Chances are, if Dovin was brought on for Wilson, he may have saved the equaliser at least.

I’m just not sure why Wilson was kept on, despite being injured.
 
Gynnsthetonic

Gynnsthetonic

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Can't see why people ate trying to pin it on Wilson, Kitching gave the first one away and you have to admit the forward didn't half smash it, the second one Sheaf gave the ball away and there were numerous players of ours who could of took their player out, but unfortunately they didn't and it ended up at the feet of someone who shouldn't of been on the pitch
 
Matt smith

Matt smith

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Gynnsthetonic said:
Can't see why people ate trying to pin it on Wilson, Kitching gave the first one away and you have to admit the forward didn't half smash it, the second one Sheaf gave the ball away and there were numerous players of ours who could of took their player out, but unfortunately they didn't and it ended up at the feet of someone who shouldn't of been on the pitch
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Second goal isn’t Wilson’s fault

I just don’t think he’s good enough, he’s a decent enough shot stopper but his distribution is particularly poor
 
skybluecam

skybluecam

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Gynnsthetonic said:
Can't see why people ate trying to pin it on Wilson, Kitching gave the first one away and you have to admit the forward didn't half smash it, the second one Sheaf gave the ball away and there were numerous players of ours who could of took their player out, but unfortunately they didn't and it ended up at the feet of someone who shouldn't of been on the pitch
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Kitching didn’t do great but he’s not solely responsible. Watch it back, our shape is terrible and we were in trouble as soon as we lost the first header. Wilson could’ve done a lot better on the shot.
 
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