Better the devil you know? (1 Viewer)

[Covskyblue]

We have , first 2 seasons at the Ricoh I think ,

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[clint van damme]

I'm starting to worry about you.

 

[Fergusons_Beard]

And this was the remark that made everyone realize that you are simply on the wind-up. Worse owners than SISU!!! How is that even possible?

I actually said COULD.

Ffs back when SISU took over from the numpties that gave away the Ricoh-NOBODY scrutinised the deal but welcomed them with open arms.

My point stands-in our haste to get rid of SISU when shouldn't (as fans) accept any bid as a knight in shining armour.


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[clint van damme]

if Hoffman offers sisu what they consider to be an acceptable offer they'll be gone and the new mob will be in. Our feelings on the matter won't come into it.
My opinion for what it's worth, I really can't see how it can get any worse.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

And barring on season in a shiny new stadium, we haven't!!

And to be fair, even in the premier league we struggled to hit 20k (just seen stats that somebody has put up)!
Looking at those stats our 'regular 20k fams' is miles off. Go back 40 years to 1977 and we've only averaged above 20k 5 times!! That's not very regular if you ask me!

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Point out the times we have been successful ,as in winning games and you will see decent attendances. Why do some people have such a downer on the people of their City and county?

 

[pastythegreat]

Point out the times we have been successful ,as in winning games and you will see decent attendances. Why do some people have such a downer on the people of their City and county?

I haven't go a downer just pointing out facts!!

Facts are the OP says giving 50% of transfer fees for 3 years is potentially damaging!
Somebody else thinks we will be fine as increase in ticket sales will make up for the losses!
Yet if sisu left tomorrow we'd end up with maybe 1000 more season ticket sales (2000 tops) walk up would be good for rhetoric 1st game or 2 then we'd fall back down to our average! We never sold more than 10,000 ST as a championship club. Our average in League 1 was between 6-7, last season was 5. As a now league 2 team under sisu we'll be lucky to shift 4k! Even if they leave it'll only bring us back to our league 1 average and rise by 2k maximum! You call it a downer, I just call it realistic!!!

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[Irish Sky Blue]

I've just had a look on the above statistics site. Since 1967 we have had 5 single figure final positions (top 9). This includes the 16 years since we left the top division when we have finished 8th twice. City fans have had nothing to get excited about apart from the two cup victories. To finish so badly in what ever League we have been in shows how much our fan base has had to put up with. A team winning games in whatever league produces a feel good factor and gates go up as we saw briefly last season. It may take a while for trust to build up but fans will return to watch a team with a hope of winning.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

I've just had a look on the above statistics site. Since 1967 we have had 5 single figure final positions (top 9). This includes the 16 years since we left the top division when we have finished 8th twice. City fans have had nothing to get excited about apart from the two cup victories. To finish so badly in what ever League we have been in shows how much our fan base has had to put up with. A team winning games in whatever league produces a feel good factor and gates go up as we saw briefly last season. It may take a while for trust to build up but fans will return to watch a team with a hope of winning.

Correct but if we play shit we will get the well you never brought season tickets so it is your fault.

 

[Steve.B50]

And I'd of said the attendances were more 16-17kaverage.
Don't think we've topped over 20k average since we fell from the prem.

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Things have changed since then, people will follow a successful team and also we all have a little more money in our pockets.

 

[Steve.B50]

Your point is that with or without Sisu our attendances wouldn't go up by much. I disagree. We have had big attendances in the past on a consistent basis( not just one off games) and it will happen again. Sisu going in itself would be a boost. Sisu going and some success on the field would see attendances rise. Coventry fans are no different to those elsewhere. The difference here is that for 50 years we have had a team that that have lost far more games than we have won. Add in Sisu, no stadium, Northampton and two relegations, it is not surprising we have disenchanted fans. That can and will change when Sisu go and we get a bit of success.

Must agree with you, ok we may not sell out every week but with a reasonable team and top half I think we would average 15k most weeks. However, this will only happen if and when our present owners leave.

 

[pastythegreat]

I've just had a look on the above statistics site. Since 1967 we have had 5 single figure final positions (top 9). This includes the 16 years since we left the top division when we have finished 8th twice. City fans have had nothing to get excited about apart from the two cup victories. To finish so badly in what ever League we have been in shows how much our fan base has had to put up with. A team winning games in whatever league produces a feel good factor and gates go up as we saw briefly last season. It may take a while for trust to build up but fans will return to watch a team with a hope of winning.

Look, I'm not saying that after a promotion or two and something to actually cheer about were not capable of 20k+ week in week out! (45k at Wembley has just proven we have the fams there)! I think after 2 promotions were capable of 20k under sisu, let alone new owners!
Just some people on here seem to think that sisu leaving is the best all and end all to treble our st sales overnight! And to them people I'm trying to explain how naive they arrive if they believe this!!

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[rondog1973]

I haven't go a downer just pointing out facts!!

Facts are the OP says giving 50% of transfer fees for 3 years is potentially damaging!
Somebody else thinks we will be fine as increase in ticket sales will make up for the losses!
Yet if sisu left tomorrow we'd end up with maybe 1000 more season ticket sales (2000 tops) walk up would be good for rhetoric 1st game or 2 then we'd fall back down to our average! We never sold more than 10,000 ST as a championship club. Our average in League 1 was between 6-7, last season was 5. As a now league 2 team under sisu we'll be lucky to shift 4k! Even if they leave it'll only bring us back to our league 1 average and rise by 2k maximum! You call it a downer, I just call it realistic!!!

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So do you think it wouldn't be a price worth paying? (50% transfer fees for 3 years against new ownership led by a Coventry born and bred man, an upturn in optimism and attendances and the hated mob gone to boot?

Well......

 

[pastythegreat]

So do you think it wouldn't be a price worth paying? (50% transfer fees for 3 years against new ownership led by a Coventry born and bred man, an upturn in optimism and attendances and the hated mob gone to boot?

Well......

I'd happily try anything because I don't think anything atm could put us in a worse situation the were already in! I'm just going into something like this with my eyes wide open.
Like the OP is making a point of people going into a deal with their sisu blinkers on and not looking at the bigger picture. We only make money from 2 main sources! Ticket sales and player sales! If we're offering 50% of our player sales and don't make the massive hike in ticket sales that some people think we will, where do we get money from then? Is Hoffman willing to bank roll us for those 3 years?? We just need to be realistic!

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[rondog1973]

I'd happily try anything because I don't think anything atm could put us in a worse situation the were already in! I'm just going into something like this with my eyes wide open.
Like the OP is making a point of people going into a deal with their sisu blinkers on and not looking at the bigger picture. We only make money from 2 main sources! Ticket sales and player sales! If we're offering 50% of our player sales and don't make the massive hike in ticket sales that some people think we will, where do we get money from then? Is Hoffman willing to bank roll us for those 3 years?? We just need to be realistic!

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You did see OSB's thread in which he debunked Fishers whinge about limited revenue streams I take it.

Would be a price well worth paying I think. The key thing for me would be the optimism generated by Sisu's departure. If social media opinions and the Cov fans I speak to are a typical cross section of our support then attendances will increase and you would hope this would fortify our hand in retaining any saleable talent we have.

Understand the caution aspect, but think Hoffman can be trusted.

 

[hutch1972]

You could argue we don't even get 50% of transfer fees now. We certainly only saw a fraction of the Maddison money.
Does anybody really think that we will have any extra funding, if as expected we sell one or 2 this summer.

 

[pastythegreat]

You did see OSB's thread in which he debunked Fishers whinge about limited revenue streams I take it.

Would be a price well worth paying I think. The key thing for me would be the optimism generated by Sisu's departure. If social media opinions and the Cov fans I speak to are a typical cross section of our support then attendances will increase and you would hope this would fortify our hand in retaining any saleable talent we have.

Understand the caution aspect, but think Hoffman can be trusted.

I'd love to be proven wrong but I really don't think the gates would go up considerably at first!
A couple of gesture yes, but then back to normal!
Said in an earlier post, just look at the ricoh return v Gillingham!! 27,306.
The very next game vs Yeovil we had 11,000.
Preston 10,000.
Crawley 7,700!
Need I go on??

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[rondog1973]

I'd love to be proven wrong but I really don't think the gates would go up considerably at first!
A couple of gesture yes, but then back to normal!
Said in an earlier post, just look at the ricoh return v Gillingham!! 27,306.
The very next game vs Yeovil we had 11,000.
Preston 10,000.
Crawley 7,700!
Need I go on??

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I know 27000 isn't a reflection in what we could reasonably expect on a regular basis, but believe me it will increase.

Remember in the immediate aftermath of the Rico return, Fisher was talking short term tenancy, looking for new sites etc, throwing an instant dampener on the homecoming, affirming to fans it was business as usual where Sisu were concerned.

 

[CovisGod]

Those saying about increases in gates if SISU piss off, let's be honest football fans are a fickle bunch, ours included, if we're winning games and towards the top of the league it doesn't matter if it's League 2 or Premier League fans will go, our pre-Christmas run under Mowbray proved that.

If SISU go regardless of who takes over it will bring SOME fans back, the rest will come back when we start winning games, doesn't matter who's in charge.

 

[Liquid Gold]

I'm starting to worry about you.

Help me

I'm hungover and she wants me to cycle up a massive hill to her brothers to see a baby.

 

[Irish Sky Blue]

I'd love to be proven wrong but I really don't think the gates would go up considerably at first!
A couple of gesture yes, but then back to normal!
Said in an earlier post, just look at the ricoh return v Gillingham!! 27,306.
The very next game vs Yeovil we had 11,000.
Preston 10,000.
Crawley 7,700!
Need I go on??

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You also need to look at what was happening that season. We were losing, the football was terrible. It was only Mowbray coming in at the end of the season that saved us. Look at the figures Wolves were getting when they were in the third and forth division. I remember Blues scraping 4K for a third division game. Attendances go down when teams are doing badly.

 

[Esoterica]

Help me

I'm hungover and she wants me to cycle up a massive hill to her brothers to see a baby.

Surely it would be simpler to just roll the baby down the hill? Then you don't have to cycle and she gets to see the baby.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Cannot seriously believe after all the crap under SISU that so many posters are so eager for Hoffman to take over the club without due diligence.

It's like they haven't learned the lessons of the past!

I mean here's a consortium that are offering up percentages of future transfer fees as a deal sweetener.

How the fook will the club sustain itself if the owners are giving away 50% of one our only sources of revenue.

We need to scrutinise this deal very carefully and not in our haste to get rid of SISU, accept owners that could be considerably worse.




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I'm as rabidly anti-SISU as it gets but I kinda agree. We'd be mortaging our future to some extent "just to get rid of SISU". I know we don't have much of a future with them, but I don't like the idea of giving away half the transfer fees or payments based on success much either: there are enough conspiracy theories that the current owners "want us to fail" to save money anyway, can you imagine how fans would feel if that was a fact and things weren't going well under new owners? What it ultimately smacks of is that sadly Hoffman's consortium does not have enough money to table a good enough offer.

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

You'd like to think that was the case but I'm dubious we would gain that many more 'regular' fans! For a few games I think people would feel like they have to attend after making such a big hoo ha for so many years. Like the fuss people made getting us back from shitfields, sold out first game then back to normal the very next game.
The problem is, all these people who say NOPM until they go, are people who never went in the first place. 85-90% of my 'nopm' friends, haven't been in years anyway so we haven't lost what we never had to begin with!

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This I do strongly disagree with, though: I had a season ticket every year until Northampton, went a few games a season when we came back and this year zero for the first time since I was a kid. My ST buddy hasn't been back since Northampton whilst another goes sporadically now and I think is 90% to get a ST again if SISU go. I wouldn't get an ST as it's awkward with working weekends, but I would do a dozen games a season I reckon.

Bollocks, I am going back to work with Kylie in my head now...singing rather than that bra advert she did in her prime....

 

[stevefloyd]

the fans will have ZERO input on any deal. why can't people get that into their heads ffs.

I just cant get it out of my head

 

[MalcSB]

Cannot seriously believe after all the crap under SISU that so many posters are so eager for Hoffman to take over the club without due diligence.

It's like they haven't learned the lessons of the past!

I mean here's a consortium that are offering up percentages of future transfer fees as a deal sweetener.

How the fook will the club sustain itself if the owners are giving away 50% of one our only sources of revenue.

We need to scrutinise this deal very carefully and not in our haste to get rid of SISU, accept owners that could be considerably worse.




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Wouldn't having offered up percentages of future transfer fees act as a disincentive to selling off our best players? If so 50% of nothing is ----- nothing.

 

[vow]

Wouldn't having offered up percentages of future transfer fees act as a disincentive to selling off our best players? If so 50% of nothing is ----- nothing.

Agreed, but sisiu have also sussed that, I reckon.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Agreed, but sisiu have also sussed that, I reckon.

Yeah, it's hardly the most cunning of plans...

 

[vow]

 

[Ashdown]

I'd gamble on Hoffman, at least he is a City fan. Yes the terms have to be right and you have to be very careful with the litigious hedge fund and future promises and dealings but the ONLY way forward is without that twat Tim Fisher and his vile pay masters !

 

[ceetee]

A lot of us hate SISU and Fisher so much that we would do anything to be rid of them.
But that doesn't mean that any new ownership scenario must be better by definition. It has to be good for the club in the long term, not just a way of getting rid of SISU. I'm not agreeing with " better the devil you know" but I am advising some caution.
We can't afford to give away transfer money and I'm sceptical about increased attendances being enough to avoid having to sell players. All clubs at our level sell players unless they have owners bankrolling the club,
and this consortium doesn't seem to have that sort of money.

Yes, I will support Hoffman but I'm not going to get carried away

 

[Warwickhunt]

I would worry about signing anything with SISU unless the top law Lords in the land had been through it with a fine tooth comb they are so litigeous

 

[COVKIDSNEVERQUIT]

BETTER THE DEVIL YOU KNOW ?

Even SATAN him self wouldn't work with SISU , he'd get his hands BURNT . :vamp:

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

Fergusons Beard was always a Sisu arse licker on GMK but starting a 'Better the Devil you know' thread after relegation to Division 4 and 10 years of utter shite you could barely make up....
You are special.

 

[James Smith]

I've got no problem with someone else owning our club in fact that's something I'm looking forward to. However last time we had new owners we ended up with Sisu. Now The Hoff actually is a football fan and a Sky Blues fan which is great. What I really don't want though is another Sisu.

I'd already worked out and come to terms with the fact that we'd be relegated a long time ago and that it was inevitable even with a change of manager. It would have lessened the blow if Sisu had buggered off. I can't stomach the fact that Sisu are still here. You've lost us the Championship, League One, our stadium (with the help of the council) and your investors millions of pounds.

I don't want an apology if we reach non league status, I want you to go.

 

[Speedies_Chips]

I'd gamble on Hoffman, at least he is a City fan. Yes the terms have to be right and you have to be very careful with the litigious hedge fund and future promises and dealings but the ONLY way forward is without that twat Tim Fisher and his vile pay masters !

We should be so lucky.