Evo1883
Well-Known Member
They don't abuse the workers on London Road on strike , from experience that is
That's the way to win as sadly from speaking to people they are sadly on the main not on the drivers side, Also there was a rubbish drop off place in Wllenhall that had to remind people that the staff there are not council refuge workers and could people kindly stop abusing them.
The 2 tier wages with longer service meaning less is the best message to get out there as sadly most people seem to think you are just asking for a big wage rise for no reason.
So are they just asking for old recruits to be brought up the same as new ones who won't get paid more?
None of the publicity stuff really says that.
I'm on about from the Union and the workers though.Pretty much ..
Alot of misinformation about average wages etc to fuel public anger too
Absolutely
I'm on about from the Union and the workers though.
Are the new staff on strike? Are they asking for more too?
So you get a huge pension plus all the half day finishes you were boasting about, but you want the same pay as others that don't receive those things and are actually worse off by being in a 10k more paying job.
Nice to see the truth outing itself.
So they won't get any increase in wages or benefits compared to people who have been there longer?New staff that are in the union are striking too , in solidarity with workers
They won't receive more money based on a grade 5 levelling .
Workers generally don't cross a picket line
They do, and philosophically I've no real issue with people trying to lift themselves up, the same as private sector should maybe strike for better conditions (although reading your posts, I'm thinking I need to agitate for a strike for myself, now!)Every worker has the right to strike to better themselves
So they won't get any increase in wages or benefits compared to people who have been there longer?
I don't get why the Argument you give isn't being put across that some get paid more than others.
Unite are painting a completely different picture
That's not what he's said. They want the same wages that the council are paying to new recruits to do exactly the same job with exactly the same terms and conditions.So you get a huge pension plus all the half day finishes you were boasting about, but you want the same pay as others that don't receive those things and are actually worse off by being in a 10k more paying job.
Nice to see the truth outing itself.
They do, and philosophically I've no real issue with people trying to lift themselves up, the same as private sector should maybe strike for better conditions (although reading your posts, I'm thinking I need to agitate for a strike for myself, now!)
It's fair to say public opinion is... split however, around where I live anyway. What virtually nobody will argue with, however, is the get paid the same as a new starter, if that's what the employers think the job's worth. Cut out all the rest, and that's a lot easier to sell if it goes on and on.
I don't get why you don't see that publicised though? By the workers interviewed or the Union.That's not what he's said. They want the same wages that the council are paying to new recruits to do exactly the same job with exactly the same terms and conditions.
They don't abuse the workers on London Road on strike , from experience that is
Maybe not but the messaging isn't great at the moment.
Huge pension is a stretch .. back when I was finishing early I was working on the agency , and was driving as a spare driver picking up mostly extras .
I now work 37.5 hours over 5 days on commercial.
Why not get it out there what you're saying? That's much more understandable.I agree , partly council , partly local media not being impartial and giving the council a free reign to spout nonsense and the union not wanting to stand on tiptoes and fuck things up legally
Soif you're not getting paid and you're not on the picket line, I assume you're at least getting SSP? Otherwise how are you managing (sorry if it's your savings and no need to reply if it's personal)I'm on the sick mate , I'm at the point where I hope in several weeks I go back to work and it's resolved
I don't think anybody is getting at you personally. I'm not.Lads look , at this moment in time I've recently had a heart issue and am off work for several more weeks .
I can't look for other work as my license has been revoked for another 4 weeks atleast .
I hope that in several weeks time it's all resolved .
I don't care about this even as a resident as much as I should right now as its just not really my main concern right now
I don't think anybody is getting at you personally. I'm not.
You are making a better argument than the Union.
If we're gonna have that fight, it looks as if now might be my best opportunityLads look , at this moment in time I've recently had a heart issue and am off work for several more weeks .
I can't look for other work as my license has been revoked for another 4 weeks atleast .
I hope that in several weeks time it's all resolved .
I don't care about this even as a resident as much as I should right now as its just not really my main concern right now
They are comparing it to drivers in general which is understandable why pay is different.No I know , I'm trying to answer questions but the reality is I can't even go on the picket line atm so a bit out the loop .
I know the general gist
I agree , partly council , partly local media not being impartial and giving the council a free reign to spout nonsense and the union not wanting to stand on tiptoes and fuck things up legally
Typical left wing tactics, as soon as you get called out, play the victim.
I'm behind the council now, sack the lot and get contractors in. At least the tax payer wouldn't have the burden of the gold plated bin men pensions any more.
When I'm agreeing with dod you know there's an issueBut as NW says and I agree you just need to simplify it and hammer home the fact that long term staff get paid less than new starters and you just want equality of pay. Only the toriest of tory cunts could argue against that.
Equal Job -Equal Pay
If we're gonna have that fight, it looks as if now might be my best opportunity
Well I hope you do relatively easily.just some anxiety to get over is all
Errrm, you always have been left wing as far as I knew?!?@Deleted member 5849 there's all sorts going on in here , I'm being called left wing , would you agree mate
Errrm, you always have been left wing as far as I knew?!?
The councils wages are below the market rate , it's quite simple , we are fighting to get to the market rate ..whilst retaining our working conditions
Unless I'm missing something the confusion is because some people are comparing the council to private employers where there are different terms and conditions.
The strikers aren't asking for pay to be matched to that offered by private employers, they're asking it to be matched to what the council is already paying new recruits and will have to pay to their replacements if the strikers were all to leave and work elsewhere.
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