Brexit/SISU (50 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Watch this. Apparently on this thread we didn't vote to leave the single market as we don't know what brexit means apparently. This clears it up.

Maybe some people voted for that extra £350m a week on the NHS we were going to spend.

Farage, Johnson, Gove and the others were falling over each other in the rush to distance themselves from campaign claims as soon as leave won.

 

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[Kingokings204]

I don't like Cameron, Osborne, Johnson and Farage and think they are all bullshitters. Having said that, if you are right that everyone is agreed that we are leaving the single market, then why not have parliament pass an act allowing the government to leave the single market? I think there are other people who want to leave the EU, but not the single market who are not represented in this video.But bring it on - legally.

Yes I don't like any of the above either. But on this issue like many others they were crystal clear yet apparently brexit isn't leaving the single market. Now if the government don't dish out brexit then the next general election will be very interesting for sure but early signs are good and TM (not tony mowbray) seems a good PM and she needs to be hard nosed at a time where everyone is shouting for different stuff. The remainers know full well a vote leave was a vote to leave the single market so why in your opinion are they and you denying it? I've given my reasons.

 

[martcov]

So have you changed your mind and have now decided that we should keep some parts and get rid of others?

I have not changed my mind. I think Brexit was the wrong decision. People voted on promises and lies, not knowing the full impact of their vote. They still don't - no-one does yet.

I think that we should keep as much as we can, with a view to rejoining at some later date when the EU has evolved in the right direction. As I said before, the EU is still very young, especially with 28 members. There is a lot of work to be done. Taking a leap in the dark is not the most constructive way of going about things.

 

[Kingokings204]

Maybe some people voted for that extra £350m a week on the NHS we were going to spend.

Farage, Johnson, Gove and the others were falling over each other in the rush to distance themselves from campaign claims as soon as leave won.

Farage never endorsed that slogan and actively criticized it. It was a lie. It's a vote leave Johnson gove thing. It was a lie and I'm big and ugly enough to admit it but to quote that and not the many many lies of the remain side is a tad biased. Every vote we have in this country is based on lies. It's about making your own informed decision.

 

[martcov]

Yes I don't like any of the above either. But on this issue like many others they were crystal clear yet apparently brexit isn't leaving the single market. Now if the government don't dish out brexit then the next general election will be very interesting for sure but early signs are good and TM (not tony mowbray) seems a good PM and she needs to be hard nosed at a time where everyone is shouting for different stuff. The remainers know full well a vote leave was a vote to leave the single market so why in your opinion are they and you denying it? I've given my reasons.

The vote to leave was not just we want to get out of the single market. People have said they don't like immigration, being ruled from Brussels, being ruled by Merkel, want to teach the politicians a lessen and so on.... Now you are saying they just wanted to leave the single market. Many don't even know what that is.

 

[Astute]

I have not changed my mind. I think Brexit was the wrong decision. People voted on promises and lies, not knowing the full impact of their vote. They still don't - no-one does yet.

I have some patience today.

Lies from both sides....Yes
Best in or out? Short term in long term out.

Was you able to vote? If so did you vote?

How long ago was it the last time you lived in the UK?

 

[martcov]

Farage never endorsed that slogan and actively criticized it. It was a lie. It's a vote leave Johnson gove thing. It was a lie and I'm big and ugly enough to admit it but to quote that and not the many many lies of the remain side is a tad biased. Every vote we have in this country is based on lies. It's about making your own informed decision.

That was a lie based on facts which they knew. Many remain lies were opinions which were not known facts. There is a difference between having a hopelessly wrong opinion and downright lying.

 

[Kingokings204]

I have not changed my mind. I think Brexit was the wrong decision. People voted on promises and lies, not knowing the full impact of their vote. They still don't - no-one does yet.

I think that we should keep as much as we can, with a view to rejoining at some later date when the EU has evolved in the right direction. As I said before, the EU is still very young, especially with 28 members. There is a lot of work to be done. Taking a leap in the dark is not the most constructive way of going about things.

And that's fair enough. A good reason to vote remain but it all comes down to the result. I saw a few reasons even myself to remain but Leave won and leave is what will happen.

 

[clint van damme]

Yes I don't like any of the above either. But on this issue like many others they were crystal clear yet apparently brexit isn't leaving the single market. Now if the government don't dish out brexit then the next general election will be very interesting for sure but early signs are good and TM (not tony mowbray) seems a good PM and she needs to be hard nosed at a time where everyone is shouting for different stuff. The remainers know full well a vote leave was a vote to leave the single market so why in your opinion are they and you denying it? I've given my reasons.

She piped down her remain in the EU rhetoric when she saw a path to number 10 opening up through chaos in the tory party and she didn't want to upset the right wing of the party.
Since becoming PM she has caused uproar by trying to invoke the royal prerogative, the fall out from which could possible mean we don't brexit after all and she gets her wish of remaining in the EU.
If we don't brexit, the fall out will be off the scale, but she come out of it unscathed. Maybe I've got my tinfoil hat on, or maybe she's a sly old cow!

 

[Kingokings204]

That was a lie based on facts which they knew. Many remain lies were opinions which were not known facts. There is a difference between having a hopelessly wrong opinion and downright lying.

I don't agree. Sorry. Both as bad as eachother. It's up to the electorate to vote with their knowledge and cut through the bs that both sides did equally.

 

[martcov]

I have some patience today.

Lies from both sides....Yes
Best in or out? Short term in long term out.

Was you able to vote? If so did you vote?

How long ago was it the last time you lived in the UK?

Yes - difference being lies being based on facts knowingly ignored or denied, and exagerated opinions which were proved wrong.

Long term in, but with reform.

No, I am not allowed to vote in the UK. Would have voted remain.

Lived outside the UK for over 15 years.

 

[Astute]

The vote to leave was not just we want to get out of the single market. People have said they don't like immigration, being ruled from Brussels, being ruled by Merkel, want to teach the politicians a lessen and so on.... Now you are saying they just wanted to leave the single market. Many don't even know what that is.

The vote was to get rid of the EU. Not just keep something that might be handy. You keep mentioning it. I can't remember it being mentioned anywhere before or after the vote otherwise.

 

[Kingokings204]

The vote to leave was not just we want to get out of the single market. People have said they don't like immigration, being ruled from Brussels, being ruled by Merkel, want to teach the politicians a lessen and so on.... Now you are saying they just wanted to leave the single market. Many don't even know what that is.

Wrong. I voted leave for all those reasons you just stated. Not just one reason for me. I didn't say just the single market my point was you and others have said brexit doesn't mean leaving the single market and I gave you conclusion proof remainers even said it themselves. That's all

 

[martcov]

I don't agree. Sorry. Both as bad as eachother. It's up to the electorate to vote with their knowledge and cut through the bs that both sides did equally.

They had little knowledge and they still don't know how this will pan out.

 

[martcov]

Wrong. I voted leave for all those reasons you just stated. Not just one reason for me. I didn't say just the single market my point was you and others have said brexit doesn't mean leaving the single market and I gave you conclusion proof remainers even said it themselves. That's all

It doesn't necessarily mean leaving the single market. That is one option of several.

 

[Kingokings204]

She piped down her remain in the EU rhetoric when she saw a path to number 10 opening up through chaos in the tory party and she didn't want to upset the right wing of the party.
Since becoming PM she has caused uproar by trying to invoke the royal prerogative, the fall out from which could possible mean we don't brexit after all and she gets her wish of remaining in the EU.
If we don't brexit, the fall out will be off the scale, but she come out of it unscathed. Maybe I've got my tinfoil hat on, or maybe she's a sly old cow!

Maybe a bit of both. I agree fully with what you just said. Look if she doesn't deliver on brexit and Corbyn ruining the Labour Party then the general election 2020 would be very very different.

 

[Astute]

Yes - difference being lies being based on facts knowingly ignored or denied, and exagerated opinions which were proved wrong.

Long term in, but with reform.

No, I am not allowed to vote in the UK. Would have voted remain.

Lived outside the UK for over 15 years.

There was never going to be reform. That was one of Cameron's lies you try to say didn't happen. He said he was in talks. Someone from the EU said it wasn't going to happen and Cameron knew that.

 

[Kingokings204]

It doesn't necessarily mean leaving the single market. That is one option of several.

But the point is there isn't other options. A leave vote was leave the single market (amongst other things) so really there is one option.

We want access to the single market but not be in it.

 

[Astute]

It doesn't necessarily mean leaving the single market. That is one option of several.

But the so called leader of the EU said out is out.

 

[Captain Dart]

How many people have you spoken to that thought leaving the EU meant so? Cameron and his buddies mentioned it enough.

If you check back on my posts I think I said before the vote that I believed the terms would be fudged. I still think that will be the case. Anybody with half a brain knows how politicians operate.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Take a year, any year....... I am talking about before and after Brexit as this is part of the subject of the thread. People are saying the euro is finished, but funnily enough it is getting stronger against the pound. I am well aware that they are not fixed together. I have both. They are distinct - one is going up and the other is going down. Which is what I said.

The Euro isn't strengthening though, it's the pound weakening. The Euro is weaker against the US Dollar now than it was in June (albeit weakened a lot less than the pound has).

 

[Astute]

The Euro isn't strengthening though, it's the pound weakening. The Euro is weaker against the US Dollar now than it was in June (albeit weakened a lot less than the pound has).

And the pound is weak because of the uncertainty. Not like the Euro that is weak because of the problems that some of the countries that have the currency have.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

The pound isn't weak......its had a correction and now looks about right.......it was over-valued pre-brexit......for many many reasons.....

...and the UK were still spending beyond our means as a result....

A potential good long term outcome from trade tariffs (if they happen) & a correctly valued pound could be that we, as a nation, stop buying (importing) & consuming so much fucking shit.....almost all of it, of piss poor quality & instantly disposable.....be it fashion, food or technology.

 

[dadgad]

One thing I think we can agree; It''S a mess.
Scotland now taking the govt to court to prevent article 50. The union is likely to fragment, pound tanking, prices set to rise and May faces rebellion whichever way she goes; hard or soft. Might be a good time to emigrate.....

 

[skybluetony176]

Maybe some people voted for that extra £350m a week on the NHS we were going to spend.

Farage, Johnson, Gove and the others were falling over each other in the rush to distance themselves from campaign claims as soon as leave won.

No, it's the media twisting everything scaremongering. That's the latest excuse from leave backers. You can't mention things like the pound crashing without being told you shouldn't be gullible and believe everything the media say. Clearly the media have fixed the strength of the pound, that Farage clip has clearly been doctored and someone else wrote Boris's column the Monday after the vote.

 

[skybluetony176]

Yes I don't like any of the above either. But on this issue like many others they were crystal clear yet apparently brexit isn't leaving the single market. Now if the government don't dish out brexit then the next general election will be very interesting for sure but early signs are good and TM (not tony mowbray) seems a good PM and she needs to be hard nosed at a time where everyone is shouting for different stuff. The remainers know full well a vote leave was a vote to leave the single market so why in your opinion are they and you denying it? I've given my reasons.

The vote couldn't have been more simple. In or out of the EU. No mention of the single market. You don't need EU membership for single market membership, you don't even have to be in the continent of Europe. We didn't vote out of the single market. It's as simple as that.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Might be a good time to emigrate.....

Best do it quick while you can still move freely.

 

[Monners]

The pound isn't weak......its had a correction and now looks about right.......it was over-valued pre-brexit......for many many reasons.....

...and the UK were still spending beyond our means as a result....

A potential good long term outcome from trade tariffs (if they happen) & a correctly valued pound could be that we, as a nation, stop buying (importing) & consuming so much fucking shit.....almost all of it, of piss poor quality & instantly disposable.....be it fashion, food or technology.

That's an interesting point on reducing levels of consumption. Something that has to happen at some point for long term well being (on a global scale)

 

[dadgad]

Apparently, in a recent poll, the REGREXITEERS outnumber the margin of victory for Brexit.

I think as it becomes increasingly apparent that it is unworkable (and not in our or anybody's interests) Parliament will have no option but to block it.

 

[Ashdown]

The pound isn't weak......its had a correction and now looks about right.......it was over-valued pre-brexit......for many many reasons.....

...and the UK were still spending beyond our means as a result....

A potential good long term outcome from trade tariffs (if they happen) & a correctly valued pound could be that we, as a nation, stop buying (importing) & consuming so much fucking shit.....almost all of it, of piss poor quality & instantly disposable.....be it fashion, food or technology.

Great post !! We might help slow down the hideous destruction and consumption of the Earth's resources too if people paid a little more for better quality and made it last a lot longer, I fully concur with the current waste and throw away society we have become because of shite largely made in the far east by exploited workers.

 

[Ashdown]

Apparently, in a recent poll, the REGREXITEERS outnumber the margin of victory for Brexit.

I think as it becomes increasingly apparent that it is unworkable (and not in our or anybody's interests) Parliament will have no option but to block it.

What a fucking load of rubbish that is ! Unworkable ?? Why ??

 

[Kingokings204]

The vote couldn't have been more simple. In or out of the EU. No mention of the single market. You don't need EU membership for single market membership, you don't even have to be in the continent of Europe. We didn't vote out of the single market. It's as simple as that.

That's like saying we voted for tories we didn't vote for austerity cuts. We didn't vote for this and that.

Dear oh dear

 

[Kingokings204]

Apparently, in a recent poll, the REGREXITEERS outnumber the margin of victory for Brexit.

I think as it becomes increasingly apparent that it is unworkable (and not in our or anybody's interests) Parliament will have no option but to block it.

So you are supporting going against 17.4m people? Parliament won't have any other option? Really? See about that won't we.

 

[Ashdown]

Most of the people I know who voted Remain agreed in principle with all of the reasons others who voted to leave,............... Immigration out of control, strain on services, overpopulation, destruction of natural environment etc, EU parliament working mainly for Germany and France and the Eastern Europeans who got the hand outs in their own country or could afford to move to one of the bigger economies and send money home.
The main reason the Remainers I know voted that way was because ultimately they thought it might cost them personally a few quid if things changed radically ! At least they were honest.

 

[skybluetony176]

That's like saying we voted for tories we didn't vote for austerity cuts. We didn't vote for this and that.

Dear oh dear

If you voted for tory you voted austerity because it was an election and that was their manifesto. If you voted out in a referendum you've stated your opinion to the question asked. That question was in or out of the EU. Nothing more and nothing less. There's a big difference between voting for a party and their policies in an election and casting a vote in what is essentially an opinion poll.