Bristol City calling for salary cap (1 Viewer)

[Terry Gibson's perm]

That's it though. Norwich go up with a reasonable expectation they would come back down again. Is that really something to look forward to? Having a great season then knowing you're going to get battered the next?

Burnley have been PL for years and so used to that level and now paying higher fees and wages . Coming down would need a massive change in their costs, even with parachute payments. Which just goes to show how ridiculous the financial situation is and the problems just getting rid of the payments without other measures in place would cause.

Burnley will have to sell the players they can and have a lot of free agents and their new owners have loaded them up with debt they are in a load of trouble.

Yes getting rid of the payments would cause an issue to the teams coming down but that’s tough the reward for failure in the top league is staggering.

 

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[Grendel]

Burnley will have to sell the players they can and have a lot of free agents and their new owners have loaded them up with debt they are in a load of trouble.

Yes getting rid of the payments would cause an issue to the teams coming down but that’s tough the reward for failure in the top league is staggering.

you are basically advocating total and complete dominance from the big clubs with the rest scraping the barrel - it would be as bad as the Scottish league

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

you are basically advocating total and complete dominance from the big clubs with the rest scraping the barrel - it would be as bad as the Scottish league

They have it anyway, the Scottish league has two teams as do most of the European leagues in the prem there are about eight or nine teams that could challenge which is nearly half the league.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

They have it anyway, the Scottish league has two teams as do most of the European leagues in the prem there are about eight or nine teams that could challenge which is nearly half the league.

Who would you say could realistically challenge Man City and Liverpool?

The likes of Arsenal and Tottenham are now more like an Atletico Madrid. Man U are drifting that way but the right manager with their income streams and name could turn them around quickly.

Sides like leicester are decent top half teams who might have an amazing season and finish a bit higher.

Of course, Newcastle in the next five years could be a challenger, although all that shows is how much cash makes a difference..

 

[fernandopartridge]

Parachute payments in themselves are not the problem, they're a symptom of the problem which to my mind the only answer is abolishing the PL, reuniting the EFL and aggregating and distributing the TV income across the leagues more evenly but with progressively larger shares, eg. 40:30:20:10

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Who would you say could realistically challenge Man City and Liverpool?

The likes of Arsenal and Tottenham are now more like an Atletico Madrid. Man U are drifting that way but the right manager with their income streams and name could turn them around quickly.

Sides like leicester are decent top half teams who might have an amazing season and finish a bit higher.

Of course, Newcastle in the next five years could be a challenger, although all that shows is how much cash makes a difference..

You could add the world club champions in.

 

[Johhny Blue]

I agree that a flat salary cap for all isn't fair. If you earn more you should be able to spend more. just not so much that it jeopardises the future of the club.
This is why I've little sympathy for those making the point. They tried to succeed by overpaying and failed, so now they can't do it anymore they want everyone hamstrung.

It should be based on 'guaranteed' income like you say. I wouldn't be averse to allowing end of season bonuses IF their income was higher than expected. I'd use in conjunction with:



I think those teams that are successful/have good followings have the right to use the extra income that generates for their own benefit, but I also firmly believe they shouldn't be able to stack the deck in their favour because of it.

Now you’re arguing with yourself

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The likes of Arsenal and Tottenham are now more like an Atletico Madrid

The current Spanish champions, you mean?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You could add the world club champions in.

Knew there was one I was missing

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

If the parachute payments were to pay the over inflated wages then there is a point but when you get to Jan and spend millions on a new striker like West Brom or millions on half a team as in Bournemouth then you have to question them.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Now you’re arguing with yourself

It's called a balanced argument.

Teams shouldn't be able to use their power to load everything in their favour, but neither would it be fair for teams to be given absolute parity for being less successful.

For example, in the NFL the worst team in the league gets first choice of the up and coming players. Literally rewarding failure. It's only sports, but it's a billion-dollar industry. Would you be happy if you were a market leader in your industry and got told you couldn't spend more than your competitors or that those same competitors would get first choice of talent within it?

It's treading that line between rewarding success and not allowing them to abuse it.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The current Spanish champions, you mean?

Which negates the argument that it's a two-horse race then.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Derby have been deducted 21 points to far for financial irregularities, at one point we’re at risk of seriously going bust, yet still paying players 20/30K a week.

The whole thing is a mess.

Their cheating was so effective they’ll probably stay up even with 21 points taken off

 

[Johhny Blue]

It's called a balanced argument.

Teams shouldn't be able to use their power to load everything in their favour, but neither would it be fair for teams to be given absolute parity for being less successful.

For example, in the NFL the worst team in the league gets first choice of the up and coming players. Literally rewarding failure. It's only sports, but it's a billion-dollar industry. Would you be happy if you were a market leader in your industry and got told you couldn't spend more than your competitors or that those same competitors would get first choice of talent within it?

It's treading that line between rewarding success and not allowing them to abuse it.

My comment was actually tounge in cheek regarding the last paragraph of your original post. I actually agree with your philosophy. It’s just a shame that sport has become so business oriented.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Bristol City telling Celtic they couldn't afford Semenyo, as he'll be £20m. Shows what we need to be doing re: Gyo's suitors, when they come calling.

 

[SkyblueDad]

Bristol City telling Celtic they couldn't afford Semenyo, as he'll be £20m. Shows what we need to be doing re: Gyo's suitors, when they come calling.

They won’t get £10million.

 

[Northeast sky blue]

Bristol City telling Celtic they couldn't afford Semenyo, as he'll be £20m. Shows what we need to be doing re: Gyo's suitors, when they come calling.

That's ridiculous Hamer, O'Hare and Gyokeres must be worth at least £40 million then

 

[MalcSB]

The top teams won’t care about parachute payments if they can get their grubby hands on a bit more cash.

I agree, but in a vote they are in the minority.

 

[SkyBlueScottie]

Something does need to be done Reading have been punished this season and they are only allowed to spend up to 21 million in wages this season, its reduced to 15 for next season...

 

[SkyblueDad]

Bristol City telling Celtic they couldn't afford Semenyo, as he'll be £20m. Shows what we need to be doing re: Gyo's suitors, when they come calling.

He’s scored 5 goals in 70 appearances.

 

[Grendel]

Something does need to be done Reading have been punished this season and they are only allowed to spend up to 21 million in wages this season, its reduced to 15 for next season...

£15 million would be very low in comparison to many in the league

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

He’s scored 5 goals in 70 appearances.

He has 6 goals and 8 assists in 20 appearances this season…

 

[fernandopartridge]

He’s scored 5 goals in 70 appearances.

People don't buy scoring records, they buy attributes

 

[SkyblueDad]

Would you buy his attributes then and for how much,

 

[SkyblueDad]

Well according to his Wikipedia it’s 5 in 70 perhaps not updated but a lot lless this season than Gyo or Godden, if the likes of Semenyo moves for anything like what Bristol City want tells us all why football is financially in the shite.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Well according to his Wikipedia it’s 5 in 70 perhaps not updated but a lot lless this season than Gyo or Godden, if the likes of Semenyo moves for anything like what Bristol City want tells us all why football is financially in the shite.

He’s 22 - not sure why you’re comparing his value to 30yo Godden

 

[SkyblueDad]

That’s where you show a bit of ignorance not many players have more than 3 years at one club, Godden delivers every season so in his next three seasons if he delivers 40 goals okay his value at 33 might not be the same as someone 25 and that’s IF that player such as Semenyo delivers 40+goals, don’t know really why bothering talking Bristol City but it’s a classic case in my opinion, of an owner trying to recoup money he’s spunked away trying to buy into the premiership

 

[Old Warwickshire lad]

Parachute payments in themselves are not the problem, they're a symptom of the problem which to my mind the only answer is abolishing the PL, reuniting the EFL and aggregating and distributing the TV income across the leagues more evenly but with progressively larger shares, eg. 40:30:20:10

Nice thought. But not a cat in hells chance. Premier league want a bigger slice of the cake ,not smaller.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Would you buy his attributes then and for how much,

Watch the highlights from their last game v M'Boro and you can see the lad has talent. Scored one, made one and nearly scored an outrageous goal that just cleared the bar.

 

[fatso]

Capping wages will never work, bad owners will just resort to the under the counter "bung" to attract players.
That just means the tax man misses out as well.

 

[edgy]

I've not given this much thought but wouldn't you just see all the best players leaving for leagues that don't have a salary cap? Resulting in a much lower quality product.

 

[Frostie]

I've not given this much thought but wouldn't you just see all the best players leaving for leagues that don't have a salary cap? Resulting in a much lower quality product.

Most likely or, as @fatso suggests you will get scenarios similar to Saracens Rugby where they "top up" the max salary with ridiculous bonuses even as far as property investment etc.