Multiculturalism is a dream, a noble dream but a dream nonetheless. One culture will always crave power over the others. It is usually the most unyielding and agressive one. For years it has been "western" culture and now the tide is turning. No amount of pavement chalking and human chains will change that no matter how well intended.
There needs to be a huge shift in thinking in this country if our values are not to be usurped. We are inviting ourselves to be an Islamic State - or so called Islamic State as the politically correct BBC say in their broadcasts.
I really don't think that's the case Macca or Grendel
I do think we need to define what sort of society we want though
Was it Churchill said about Democracy being the worst form of government apart from all the other forms.
Looking at the world there is no successful Islamic government that doesn't depend on vicious forms of over the top infringements on human rights.
I just don't see how this can happen even with the slovenly apathetic attitudes of most of our countrymen
Look at the outcry at the attacks in Paris / Brussels etc and look at the humanity that is poured out in reaction to it. There is a nobility in our culture that comes from a deep understanding of the value of human life (I think).
I'd like to claim Christian heritage but this is such a mixed bag of good and bad it seems churlish to dare
Grendel - What did you mean about Russia? Do you think terrorists avoid them for a particular reason?
There needs to be a huge shift in thinking in this country if our values are not to be usurped. We are inviting ourselves to be an Islamic State - or so called Islamic State as the politically correct BBC say in their broadcasts.
A silly point? Why? Are you saying there is no society you'd intervene in at all? So brutality and mass murder is fine so long as it's not on your doorstep? So when Poland went in 1939 you'd have shrugged your shoulders? As long as death camps weren't on our doorstep no problem?
I'm disappointed.
There needs to be a huge shift in thinking in this country if our values are not to be usurped. We are inviting ourselves to be an Islamic State - or so called Islamic State as the politically correct BBC say in their broadcasts.
Sorry mate cause you seem to have a big brain - when you say always what do you mean?
How old would you say 'Western culture' is? 1960's onwards? So this hatred is how old? I understand the crusades argument but I don't think that's what they dislike is it?
I firmly believe that no threat can ever be eliminated by dominance and brutality - maybe for a generation but not for ever it just comes back time and again - look at Rwanda's history over the last 50 years???
You sound like Trump you fool.
You sound like Neville Chamberlain
You going to answer my question or pull your usual bullshit?
We didn't remove Saddam Hussain for humanitarian reasons no. Though I do find a stance against his removal odd unless you wanted Kurds to be mustard gassed. Perhaps you do or perhaps your moral high horse means you don't care. Try telling that to those who are now alive who wouldn't be if we hadn't killed him.
If we'd dragged Adams and Mcguinness through the streets of Birmingham and shot them on the head in the 70's I'm sure there'd be morale outrage from you. I'm also sure that the children tucking into a McDonald's meal 20 years later would now be adults.
Life is about choices. Choices are sometimes unpleasant.
Stop going off track. Would you want to be a part of the Roman Empire of Mugabe's Zimbabwe Grendel?
So why try to use some bullshit argument that we were rescuing the downtrodden Iraqi people? Still, if it suits your agenda...
And yes I would have been outraged, or do you condone public execution? Perhaps you are more like the IS thugs than you'd care to admit?
You miss he point. The point is that sometimes good comes from bad.
The "so called" Islamic state would have no problem slaughtering your children and force you to watch the slaughter.
You may still argue for their human rights.
I wouldn't.
Samo what do you reckon?
No hope really??
In general samo?
We maintain life means something and protect it?
Saying we should have dealt with the Northern Ireland more aggressively like the Russians is an odd analogy to make. Northern Ireland is now a peaceful country after sitting down with the protagonists and forcing them to humanise each other. Russia is still dealing with an armed insurgency in the caucuses because they're constantly creating new radical terrorists with their brutal tactics.
Exactly; it is absurd and would only have led to more Irish and Anglo-Irish being radicalised.
British hypocrisy really is on massive display on this thread. Many seem to forget that Britain is by far one of the world's most aggressive countries in history.
Exactly; it is absurd and would only have led to more Irish and Anglo-Irish being radicalised.
British hypocrisy really is on massive display on this thread. Many seem to forget that Britain is by far one of the world's most aggressive countries in history.
Despite your anti British stance you must see some merit to the place?
There are always going to be radicals, extremists and terrorists. Appeasing and offering olive branches is one way to a solution but given the extreme dogma of the Islamic State I would suggest total surrender only will appease them. The Irish example is relevant as it's the only one we have. Allowing murderers and bombers to roam free is too high a price to pay. It would happen again in this instance.
Of course Britain was the most aggressive country many years ago as it was the true super power. That's what super powers do - rule and conquer. It's not relevant now though.
The Roman Empire was one of the most bloody and ruthless super powers in history but it's not relevant any more.
It's what though the Middle East needs to be controlled. Having any kind of power and influence given their tyranny must be prevented.
Why's it anti-British to acknowledge the country's past and try to learn from it? Funnily enough, people who feel oppressed are going to fight back; the same as those whose family have been killed by bombs are going to be pissed off. It is not as though groups of people suddenly wake up and decide to irrationally hate another group of people.
I don't mind Britain myself but suffered a fair amount of bigotry and racism growing up, I can vividly remember my mum being spat at when I was child as well.
Again, this is similar to the fact that young Muslims find it difficult to identify as British compared to their parents, for example. I will acknowledge that this is common in western Europe and is something that needs to be addressed urgently.
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