There were not as many car owners percentage wise and we were prepared to walk to HR from Pool Meadow. Whether people are prepared to Walk e.g. in pouring rain from the station to the Butts these days ...
Car Parking ? There was non at Highfield Road - and then gates were much higher in the Premiership and Championship (early days). 35,000 plus ? We all found somewhere to park and walk up.
But man city and Brighton are different situations to ours aren't they? What happens when it gets more and more branded for wasps for example?What kind of buyers do you think will be queuing up to buy the football club with no/little prospect of owning the stadium?
Am sure I have seen this on here before but there are number of clubs who rent stadiums long term and have been bought and sold.
I know Man City rent, so do Brighton, am sure many others.
All I am trying to say is the club is sellable if they have a long term home.
It's not just about paying rent every month, it's what the club gets and things on a wider scale.
None that have the ground owned by a private sporting rival to my knowledge no. Who do you have in mind? Perhaps Stockport County to be fair - there's a business model to be proud of.
No, Anderson will need to talk to them because a) our current deal runs out in September, b) any new stadium will take 8-10 years to build and c) there isn't going to be a stadium anyway. We have no choice but to talk to them.
Wasps owner has said there will be no change of ownership of ACL, they have subsequently done the bond scheme and used ACL and the leasehold as security.
OSB has outlined in another thread the financial reasons why wasps won't/can't sell shares and why wasps won't/can't takeover ccfc.
Unless wasps go tits up (unlikely) or a Russian or Arab billionaire comes in (even more unlikely now because of the complexity of 3 loss making organisations) the ccfc is never going to own 50%+ of ACL.
Do you have figures or calculations for staying at the ricoh? You have no more idea than anyone else on here. It has been said by an expert staying at the ricoh would limit us to champ football at best. So there is more evidence than you seem to provide about staying.
How do people claim 12 to 15k is unambitious yet are happy being wasps tenants?
Do you have figures or calculations for staying at the ricoh? You have no more idea than anyone else on here. It has been said by an expert staying at the ricoh would limit us to champ football at best. So there is more evidence than you seem to provide about staying.
What kind of buyers do you think will be queuing up to buy the football club with no/little prospect of owning the stadium?
Am sure I have seen this on here before but there are number of clubs who rent stadiums long term and have been bought and sold.
I know Man City rent, so do Brighton, am sure many others.
All I am trying to say is the club is sellable if they have a long term home.
We know clubs rent, how many football clubs have a matchday only rental deal with no/little access to matchday or addition revenue? As far as I know man city and Brighton have a 365 day year lease.
Man city do events and conference so get 365 day income http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Non-MatchDay-Hospitality
As do Brighton http://www.eventsatbhafc.co.uk/whats-on/christmas-parties-brighton.php
Plus they will get stadium sponsorship, stand sponsorship, ability to sell advertising across the stadium (we get pitchside only), 100% f&b's, potentially car parking, etc.
You can't compare our rental deal with others who rent the whole stadium 365 day per annum.
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However if we became a stable Premier League club, 20,000 isn't enough. Look at clubs similar to our size like Leicester, Southampton and even Stoke. It really limits where we could progress to as a club.
Are you acknowledging that a minority sport franchise is a sporting rival to CCFC? Have CCFC fans dropped CCFC for Wasps in any numbers? Even Italia keeps his ST for City.
Owners that see a football team with a long term deal including access to incomes and no stadium costs or stadium debt ?
As I have said before, Sisu will own the stadium and rent it back to us. The stadium investors will have access to the 'other' incomes and we will get a percentage. What's the difference ?
In addition if they are buying a 12,000 seater stadium they will need to extend it if they have any ambition.
Are you acknowledging that a minority sport franchise is a sporting rival to CCFC? Have CCFC fans dropped CCFC for Wasps in any numbers? Even Italia keeps his ST for City.
Of course it is a rival. Wasps say they want 90% of their fanbase with a CV postcode. To suggest none of those have ever watched the football club is absurd
Do you have figures or calculations for staying at the ricoh? You have no more idea than anyone else on here. It has been said by an expert staying at the ricoh would limit us to champ football at best. So there is more evidence than you seem to provide about staying.
Car Parking ? There was non at Highfield Road - and then gates were much higher in the Premiership and Championship (early days). 35,000 plus ? We all found somewhere to park and walk up.
The Butts area is an ideal location but its just not big enough and very little room for expansion. Those retirement flats at back of stand have sold well and am sure the owners and builders would not be to happy with a football ground being built next door.
My Daughter lives in the small block on the corner (over road from closed pub) and we go to Butts regularly, I do not think there is enough land, also parking is an absolute nightmare.
And a small stadium at the Butts would do what?
Our main income is ticket sales. A small stadium would limit us more than anything else.
We won't have a long lease. We'll be tenants to the leaseholder. Sub-letting.
There are a few on my Twitter feed that are called skyblue****, or ccfc*** etc who no longer go to ccfc games but now have wasps ST's. I had to do a Twitter cull.
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Of course it is a rival. Wasps say they want 90% of their fanbase with a CV postcode. To suggest none of those have ever watched the football club is absurd
The difference is sisu sell the stadium and the football club and it's more attractive to owners as they have something tangible on their balance sheet, not a 250 year liability of rent with little to show for it.
I'm not agreeing with this 12-15k stadium I'm disagreeing with blindly staying at the Ricoh for the next 250 years as tenants, hoping for the best.
We need to see the business case but people seem to have written off a new stadium before they have seen one.
We know we will be at the Ricoh for the next 10 years, but longer term who knows.
Of course it is a rival. Wasps say they want 90% of their fanbase with a CV postcode. To suggest none of those have ever watched the football club is absurd
So you'll agree then that cutting you're potential paying customer base from 32k to 12-15k while your competition has the potential to attract 32k paying customers is commercially shooting yourself in the foot.
Potential customer base means very little if it only turns up once in 5 years. I'm a potential lottery winner but guess what? It isn't going to happen.
Where does it stop though? Should we build a 50k stadium so we aren't ruling out champions league?So you'll agree then that cutting you're potential paying customer base from 32k to 12-15k while your competition has the potential to attract 32k paying customers is commercially shooting yourself in the foot.
And a small stadium at the Butts would do what?
Our main income is ticket sales. A small stadium would limit us more than anything else.
I would think a ground of 20k would be more than enough even if the miracle ever happened and we got back to the Prem as gate receipts in the top league are only the cherry on the cake at most clubs as the TV revenues are so big nowadays.
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