Adge
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They were singing “we’ve got O’Hare” yesterday to him and I’d say that was the majority of the fans just for balance.
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oscillatewildly
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Given some of their performances this season, most of us are.
Is this officially the first shot across their bow?
I've started something....
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Yorkshire SB
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But that’s exactly it, others are saying he has been because Robins is prioritising those who are here next season.
There’s a lot of valid points about O’Hare not being as good as Hamer and Gyokeres were, but right now I can’t agree with him being on the bench.
Also based on the minutes he’s played this season I don’t think he’s had the opportunity to play that badly, it’s max 2 or 3 games. Then he’s been in and out the team.
Yo do seem very much his biggest fan
Alan Dugdales Moustache
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He has to play in the FA cup. He'll be in the shop window so he'll give it 100% and Robins will want our strongest team. Thereafter If we are mathematically out of the play offs then bring in some youngsters . COH won't be a priority. It's his choice and why would anyone care ?
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Do you think Robins would cut off his nose to spite his face in relation to COH?
If Robins genuinely believed COH was the best person to start, he would. He was given a chance against Leeds and Southampton and didn’t pull up trees.
stupot07
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Robins does have a bit of a habit of freezing players out. He froze out Bidwell for the first 15 games for no reason, he came back in and has been virtually every present since. He's done it with other player in previous seasons too.
He seems to shoehorn Lati in any position possible to play him.
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Grendel
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He had a real problem with Clark-Harris as well
Yorkshire SB
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Bit churlish. Fairly normal pov that he should start in our team, and find it odd how much he’s questioned.
Well I suspected it, and hasn’t Saddlebrains confirmed that’s the case?
But what do you want? Him to dominate every game? He was fine against Leeds. Southampton murdered us.
He’s better than Palmer. He should start. For me it’s as simple as that.
Otis
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Seems to me that it's much more likely to be that O'Hare has stated he's going, plus his form then dipped a bit and Robins decided to go with who will be here with us next season.
I don't think there's any conspiracy. If O'Hare was bang on form, he'd be in, but he hasn't been, so Palmer was getting the nod.
If O'Hare is up and ready for it on Sunday, I'm sure he'll be playing
SkyBlue_Bear83
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I mean when the alternative is Palmer, O'Hare has to be in ahead of him for me.
No doubt in my mind if it wasn't for the contract being up and O'Hare making it clear he is leaving, in no other situation does O'Hare get dropped for an extended period of time.
I think I'd rather Torp Eccles and Sheaf play for the rest of the season tbh
No doubt in my mind if it wasn't for the contract being up and O'Hare making it clear he is leaving, in no other situation does O'Hare get dropped for an extended period of time.
I think I'd rather Torp Eccles and Sheaf play for the rest of the season tbh
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Well it's not a conspiracy but we've had the experts telling us for weeks that it's purely football reasons only and Palmer was keeping him out on merit as he was in the form of his life.
Grendel
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Palmer is inferior and hardly in any consistent form
Otis
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He did have a little purple patch, but seems to have gone into his shell a bit again lately.
I'm sure COH will play next weekend.
Grendel
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Palmer is generally poor and has been a bad signing. It’s a little bit embarrassing he’s even mentioned with O Hare. It’s akin to comparing Biamou to Gyokeres - the amount of excuses and justification he gets compared to the likes of Allen, O Hare and Godden is just bewildering
Poor signing and can’t step up
Otis
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Well, I like him. I do only see him as a squad player though, rather than an out and out starter.
Wouldn't be a regular for me, but definitely can shine in certain games and a good option as back up and from the bench.
He didn't freeze Bidwell out. He signed a replacement who started ahead of Bidwell. Dasilva played OK and Bidwell was really poor when he came off the bench, did absolutely nothing to earn a start.
Then Dasilva started playing poorly so got dropped, Bidwell came in and played well so kept the shirt.
Just standard usage of a squad, not everything has to be some ulterior motive!
Well he did at the start of the season.
I know you have a deep burning hatred for him that eats away at your soul daily, but he played alright at the start of the season when most others were playing shit.
Mucca Mad Boys
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He didn’t freeze out Bidwell but it was apparent that he was 2nd choice - that isn’t the same thing. Bidwell worked his way into the team through better performances than JDS.
Since Sakamoto’s injury, we’ve struggled to make 4-2-3-1 work because we just don’t have wingers. Palmer, Tavares and MVE are just not wingers. Lati‘s inclusion in the team is forced, he was the best option for CM at the time to cover Sheaf was injured and the best option at RB if MVE is playing RM.
Like last season, we’ve ran out of squad and we don’t have 2 superstars in our team to grind out results. We need a good 5-6 signings in the summer at least.
He hasn’t dominated a game since Jan and he hasn’t really done anything to force himself back in the team. If he scores off the bench or creates lots of opportunities, it forces MR’s hands.
Robins has some clear advantages that is fans do not have. 1. The daily interactions with the team in training. 2. The analytics team who are measuring performances.
It’s not in Robins’ nature to arbitrary decide he doesn’t like a player anymore if he feels they are best for the team. JCH was mentioned earlier, he wasn’t a good fit and after a purple patch at P’boro is being forced out of there too.
The bottom line is that he wouldn’t sacrifice a playoff berth to play Palmer ahead of him if he didn’t believe it gave us the best chance.
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Well that's how transfers work, you sign a player you think is better and the incumbent doesn't get to keep the shirt just because he played well the previous season, you go with who you think is better at the time.
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That's not being frozen out, that's just being second choice. There's a big difference.
Dasilva was fine at the start. The team only lost 2 games out of 11. Then they lost 4 in a row and he was rightly dropped.
Anyway, this is the O'Hare thread not Dasilva so I'll leave it there.
Yep and Bidwell came on 4 times and was really poor, did absolutely nothing to earn the shirt.
Then he came on at Preston and played well and oh look, earned a start, which proves my point.
stupot07
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3 of his 4 appearances were 1, 12 and 15 minutes. No one can earn the shirt with those minutes.
He played just 68 minutes out of a possible 1260 in those first 14 games (5%)
Dasilva has played 770 minute out of 2430 since Bidwell became first choice (32%).
Massive difference between second choice and still being used, and being second choice and being frozen out.
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Frank Sidebottom
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I think O hares probably looked at what's happened to Jamie Allen and Sakamoto and just eased off a bit. He's effectively out of a job in the Summer (admittedly through his own choice) So why risk a serious injury when you're getting no protection from refs in the Championship.
Also i think the kick in the face he had against Wolves could've ended much worse for him and his agents been in his ear about that as well.
Hopefully we'll see a big performance from him on Sunday against a team that won't just try and kick lumps out of him for 90 minutes.
Also i think the kick in the face he had against Wolves could've ended much worse for him and his agents been in his ear about that as well.
Hopefully we'll see a big performance from him on Sunday against a team that won't just try and kick lumps out of him for 90 minutes.
I'm sorry but you're literally describing what happens when someone is second choice.
Has Binks been frozen out?
And it doesn't make sense that you're claiming O'Hare is now being frozen out despite playing plenty of minutes
Quite the opposite, United will leave absolutely acres of space for him the way they set up. Perfect game for him.
shmmeee
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Playing shit cos your mind is elsewhere is a football reason.
messiahrobins
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Ohare has been shite, he isnt the player he was pre-injury and as nice a guy as he is (i actually have shared the sauna with him at DL a few times when he was there) he is not now a top level championship player and never will be. He will be outstanding i a mid table championship team. we need better than him and palmer.
messiahrobins
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messiahrobins
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Playing Da Silva so often early in the season may have cost us the play offs. He was at fault for at least 7 -10 goals early on as literally every goal we were conceding was coming down his side. Bidwell came in and that stopped.