Is anyone trying to say he wouldid be a great boyfriend or are they saying he's not a rapist?British justice sinks into the gutter shocker
The reality is that the admission of new witnesses to describe sexual history of a victim makes a mockery of the system completely.
The almost blatent suggestion that these witnesses were also paid to give their evidence makes it beyond any credibility.
The original trial was done with a jury given the evidence as was permitted and making that judgement.
Since then we have had an appeal through in record time, a hugely biased website and blatent intimidation tactics of people who stood in this individuals way.
The ultimate test I guess for what people would really think is if your daughter bought her new boyfriend and proudly introduced Ched Evans
Some on her may find that fine and dandy. Others I suspect may have their reservations.
Not a great day for British justice
Is anyone trying to say he wouldid be a great boyfriend or are they saying he's not a rapist?
The poor day foe the justice system was when they sent a man to jail bas3r on 5h3 fact a girl couldn't remember having sex with him
She's always said she couldn't remember what happened. Evans admitted he had sex with her and then the police and prosecutors took the case on from thereSo she was of the opinion that she wasn't raped? Did she not give evidence in the trial?
What do you mean that's the law sorry? That if you don't remember something then you didn't consent to it?That's the law. That's the right way to deal with it. I have no sympathy for the loathsome creature
I'm pretty he had not been drinking, cba to go and check thoughA scumbag maybe, at least at that point in time. A rapist though?? It's a completely different level and people like you condemning him the way you did should be ashamed of yourself.
Hadn't he been drinking himself?
What do you mean that's the law sorry? That if you don't remember something then you didn't consent to it?
That is incorrect.Yes that is the law.
Exactly, all these idiots now saying the woman must now be punished and publicly named are idiots and I really don't think understood anything from the beginning.End of the day, he's an innocent man proven by a court of law .
Isn't that the argument people used about him being guilty ??
Time to move on , horrible ordeal for all involved
So you made it up then but worded it so it looks like the truth. Well done.Do you know what the word "if" means?
Are you going to point out where I said I knew what happened?
You don't have a clue do you.That is incorrect.
I think the law has to decide what it wants and stick with it. Is taking advantage of a drunk woman whose decision making is compromised considered rape or not, obviously it's a scummy thing to do and no man should do it but the question that needs answering is whether or not it is rape. The law can't have it both ways and change to when it suits.I studied this case a lot at university intensively, and it didn't feel right from day one at all.
He's a bad role model no doubt, and his actions were a bit idiotic, but nothing worse than what goes on during uni and Saturday nights across the world.
In fact, it's shit like this that decreases real rape convictions. The 'victim' is less believed and generally the evidence needs to be without proven beyond doubt, (the latter never was for me here) as a result of false claims and the like.
Look at Sweden, highest reported rape in Europe, but also the lowest conviction rapes in Europe. Real victims get hung out to dry thanks to so many false accusations or cowboy cases like this one.
It's a difficult one isn't it, but at the back of my mind (And I am not talking about this case), if there were a rape allegation, but the girl had a history of being 'free and easy' with her body, that MAY have some relevance mightn't it?1) because he was found innocent doesn't mean he didn't do it, it just means he can't be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
a) he didn't rape her
b) she falsely accused him
c) she wasnt and still isn't a victim in all of this.
2) Yes his life as been ruined, but so has hers - she's had to go through all this ordeal too, she's been abused, harrased, etc
3) it sits really uncomfortable for me that someone's previous sex life has been allowed in this case. Its now going to be used as a test case as a defense against every rape victim. Just because someone does something with one partner doesn't mean she is therefore always game and can't be raped
4) I'm extremely uncomfortable with the fact Evans is paying witnesses.
5) I'm fucking disgusted with one or two on here already vilifying the girl. The police and CPS have made the decision that they believed and had evidence to suggest she was raped. It doesn't mean she is a lier and doesn't deserved to be called so.
I'll leave it as that.
Even with this verdict I wouldn't want the twat near our club.
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I mean, his first name is Chedwyn ffs
it's been there for a long time to be honest.British justice sinks into the gutter shocker
The reality is that the admission of new witnesses to describe sexual history of a victim makes a mockery of the system completely.
The almost blatent suggestion that these witnesses were also paid to give their evidence makes it beyond any credibility.
The original trial was done with a jury given the evidence as was permitted and making that judgement.
Since then we have had an appeal through in record time, a hugely biased website and blatent intimidation tactics of people who stood in this individuals way.
The ultimate test I guess for what people would really think is if your daughter bought her new boyfriend and proudly introduced Ched Evans
Some on her may find that fine and dandy. Others I suspect may have their reservations.
Not a great day for British justice
True. This one is slightly different though as he was convicted and then they said the conviction was unsafe and new evidence has been brought forwards."Not guilty" does not mean you didn't do it. It just means they couldn't prove you did it.
Then how did they prove it the first time ?"Not guilty" does not mean you didn't do it. It just means they couldn't prove you did it.
It's a difficult one isn't it, but at the back of my mind (And I am not talking about this case), if there were a rape allegation, but the girl had a history of being 'free and easy' with her body, that MAY have some relevance mightn't it?
"Not guilty" does not mean you didn't do it. It just means they couldn't prove you did it.
The new evidence was someone changing what he had previously said. And this is after a 50k offer if someone could help Evans get a not guilty verdict. This does not sit well with me at all.True. This one is slightly different though as he was convicted and then they said the conviction was unsafe and new evidence has been brought forwards.
The whole thing is a sorry mess.
Guessing now though that Evans might seek compensation for his incarceration.
Could drag on a while longer yet.
If that is the case then guilty should mean guilty.No, not guilty has to mean not guilty. I don't want to live under a justice system of trial by rumour thanks.
The new evidence was someone changing what he had previously said. And this is after a 50k offer if someone could help Evans get a not guilty verdict. This does not sit well with me at all.
No, a girl can be a massive slag and still be raped. More relevant would be if she, for example, has a record of false allegations or of doing kiss and tell or something, otherwise I don't see how her sexual history is relevant.
For balance though, Astute, the girl hasn't been solid with her testimony and account either. And then of course there was the talk of her planning to buy a new mini as a result of the trial and her story.The new evidence was someone changing what he had previously said. And this is after a 50k offer if someone could help Evans get a not guilty verdict. This does not sit well with me at all.
1) because he was found innocent doesn't mean he didn't do it, it just means he can't be found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
a) he didn't rape her
b) she falsely accused him
c) she wasnt and still isn't a victim in all of this.
2) Yes his life as been ruined, but so has hers - she's had to go through all this ordeal too, she's been abused, harrased, etc
3) it sits really uncomfortable for me that someone's previous sex life has been allowed in this case. Its now going to be used as a test case as a defense against every rape victim. Just because someone does something with one partner doesn't mean she is therefore always game and can't be raped
4) I'm extremely uncomfortable with the fact Evans is paying witnesses.
5) I'm fucking disgusted with one or two on here already vilifying the girl. The police and CPS have made the decision that they believed and had evidence to suggest she was raped. It doesn't mean she is a lier and doesn't deserved to be called so.
I'll leave it as that.
Even with this verdict I wouldn't want the twat near our club.
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No, not guilty has to mean not guilty. I don't want to live under a justice system of trial by rumour thanks.
For balance though, Astute, the girl hasn't been solid with her testimony and account either. And then of course there was the talk of her planning to buy a new mini as a result of the trial and her story.
It is not black and white at all.
I don't think this is a straight forward case. He was found guilty, but then appealed and only 5% of cases are accepted for appeal. Appeal was then granted and the conviction then quoshed and now proven not guilty.
I am sure the new evidence was not just two blokes' 'changing their stories.'
Cannot believe for a second an appeal would have been granted just on that basis.
I agree with every word of that, but... will those who indulged in some very black and white thinking on this subject not so long ago now accept that he is ''innocent'' no matter what their opinion may be of him as a person?
Well he's playing anyway, so not a lot, unless a more high profile club wishes to take a punt on him.I wonder where this takes him in respect to football?
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