covmark
Well-Known Member
Is this a wind up??
Is this a wind up??Let's concentrate on football forget the past he's served the time.
sign him up!!!
I don't want us to be sat here in a few years all morally correct and still in League 1 when we can sign Ched and get out this league.
Is this a wind up??
He has served his time.
no, sign him up.
we need a striker.
Not sure what people are struggling to understand. He has served his time. Let him to his job, he will end up doing it for someone so why not us.
Don't want us to sign Evans particularly but if we do I will not be taking the moral high ground. All too often with the British judicial system creates victims who will spend a life in crime as they can't move forward because if their pasts.
What ever happened on that night was wrong on many levels, however numerous concessurs of British law found his conviction unsafe. For that reason and the fact he has paid his dues (in the laws eyes) mean I would not get his name on my shirt but I would cheer his goals without any shame.
Don't want us to sign Evans particularly but if we do I will not be taking the moral high ground. All too often with the British judicial system creates victims who will spend a life in crime as they can't move forward because if their pasts.
What ever happened on that night was wrong on many levels, however numerous concessurs of British law found his conviction unsafe. For that reason and the fact he has paid his dues (in the laws eyes) mean I would not get his name on my shirt but I would cheer his goals without any shame.
and the fact he has paid his dues (in the laws eyes)
People serve their time for their mistakes and society must accept that. We should not be making secondary judgements ourselves. The law that put him away is the law that let him out a free man now. He is entitled to follow a career path of his choosing. Morally some will have a problem and others not.
We are hardly a family club with a casino in the ground anyway
I love the use of 'casino in the ground' like it's a Bond villain's lair.
People serve their time for their mistakes and society must accept that. We should not be making secondary judgements ourselves. The law that put him away is the law that let him out a free man now. He is entitled to follow a career path of his choosing. Morally some will have a problem and others not.
The footballing authorities should really do something to resolve this once and for all as I doubt Evans will be the last person in this kind of situation. They could make a rule that due to the community nature of football clubs players have to pass an enhanced CRB or something like that.
Might also be an incentive for some players to keep out of trouble.
He made a mistake lets forgive and forget and give him the number 9 shirt.
Fuck off.
Astute, surely you've been on here long enough to know when someone is yanking your chain?
So you want to judge his character now? According to you I assume? Who sets that standard? Do you know him? Like I said we should not be making secondary judgements.
He has done plenty of media...no thanks....but that is just my opinion, we all set our own standards, you, me, him and others will judge us; that's life.So you want to judge his character now? According to you I assume? Who sets that standard? Do you know him? Like I said we should not be making secondary judgements.
We won't be signing him tf said as much last season when Oldham were in talks with him
Visit his website and there is his character.
He wouldn't if he chose to be a teacher.
Or a social worker.
Or even a Librarian in some places.
Many places, he wouldn't even be let through the door to volunteer.
So you want to judge his character now? According to you I assume? Who sets that standard? Do you know him? Like I said we should not be making secondary judgements.
It was for the best - yes. What I said back then was he should be given till the turn of the year then see much against many others on here. Ultimately he had to go and the timing was correct.
As for Evans I'm not backing him more to the point I'm trying to get across the fact that we all abide by the law. I won't judge him other than he was convicted and served his time. He now like so many thousands of ex cons must rehabilitate himself into society again. If that means playing football then so be it.
For the record I agree with the suggestion above that football needs to act as a body and put in place it's own moral code which would clean up a lot of scum bags in the footballing arena.
Would I want Evans at my club? If he goes on to clear his name then sure. As it stands, not particularly. But having read a lot about the case I can understand why many commentators are suggesting the verdict was unsafe.
Absolutely.
Having served your time most definitely does not allow you to follow a career path of your choosing, even if it was your previous career. It doesn't stop you following another line of work, but if you were a professional in the true sense of the word you'd most likely find yourself bounced out of your guild or association (most of which have codes of conduct for their members which preclude criminal behaviour). The PFA doesn't seem to have a code of conduct, more's the pity, but regardless Evans wants to follow a career in which he represents, in public, the people who pay his wages. Many of those people don't like the idea of that, given the nature of his offence.
There's nothing in law to stop a club employing him, but there's also no legal obligation for anyone to do so. The law also protects the right of free speech and many (including commercial sponsors) have clearly exercised that with regard to Evans.
He's entitled to look for work as a professional footballer, and as a supporter I'm entitled to say that I wouldn't want a man like that wearing my club's shirt. I'm not asking for him to be hung, drawn and quartered - he can play elsewhere if he can find a team that can abide him, or he can look for a different career and rebuild his life quietly as do many other ex-offenders.
There are three factors in law to consider for a rape to have taken place -
1) Intercourse took place between the suspect and victim.
2) The victim didn't consent.
3) The suspect does not reasonably believe the victim has consented.
In the Evans case, there is no dispute that 1) occurred, 2) is more difficult to prove and in this case the victim says she had no recollection of having sex with Evans but wouldn't have consented to sex with multiple people, with regards 3) this is the most difficult to prove as it's the perception of the alleged offender but would it be reasonable to get a message from a mate saying words to the effect "I've got a bird here, come over and have a go".
However, my understanding is that it's parts 2) and 3) which Evans team are saying are unsafe.
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