NorthernWisdom
Well-Known Member
Yet another statement from you without thinking of the wider consequences or, in fact, trying to empathise with our owners.
Destructive nonsense like this is what ends up with carnage.
Know your enemy and all that.
Chris Anderson (4 Viewers)
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Yet another statement from you without thinking of the wider consequences or, in fact, trying to empathise with our owners.
Destructive nonsense like this is what ends up with carnage.
Know your enemy and all that.
Nick
Administrator
Am I reading that right? The only party in what you want to happen being damaged is CCFC and not SISU.
Sky Blue Kid
Well-Known Member
I think you, as well as me, and everyone else knows there is no autonomy. SISU. are CCFC. simple as that.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
No one said the legal action prevented a deal - it was never said in that way. It was carefully worded.
skyblueinBaku
Well-Known Member
CCFC are not separate from Sisu control - that's obvious. However, I still see CCFC as a separate entity from Sisu. Surely, in the past, CCFC were not seen as being the same as Richardson, Robinson and the rest of them.
Nick
Administrator
Maybe people are so keen to say CCFC are SISU and vice versa so it seems to make it OK when they fuck CCFC over to try and get at SISU?
Put it this way, if CCFC go tits up will Joy and Tim be living in a cardboard box? If SISU are CCFC then surely if CCFC go bust then SISU will too?
Just a thought.
Put it this way, if CCFC go tits up will Joy and Tim be living in a cardboard box? If SISU are CCFC then surely if CCFC go bust then SISU will too?
Just a thought.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
An utterly nonsensical thought.
Nick
Administrator
NorthernWisdom
Well-Known Member
It's more that the entity is responsible to them, though. Like it or not, Robinson weilded control over what happened to CCFC, and now Seppala does the same. Obviously they're not *literally* the same, but the relevant paymasters have aims which may not tally with a football club and, ultimately, the actions will be what's best for the paymasters. If lucky, they coincide.
The difficulty is that the football club ends up collatoral damage. Equally, others' actions won't be what's best for the football club and, if distorted by a wider ideological anger about what the owners are all about, then the club gets caught in the firing line... from all directions, it must be said. Even if truly shoddy custodians, that's what Robinson and SISU have been really (or *should* have been, ratheer than owners!) and it's the consequences once owners bog off that's more concerning. Robinson's actions led to SISU, while SISU's actions will lead to...?
Answer? Same as it has been ever since the beginning:banghead: Other parties may not like what SISU are about but, like it or not, they're the opwners of the club so have to be worked with, and understood. Ditto, SISU may not like council regulation and what *that's* all about, but they need(ed) to work with CCC to strengthen their position, rather than going it alone.
Captain Dart
Well-Known Member
You get it even if Nick doesn't. LOL.
IrishSkyBlue
Facebook User
Probably release a new book just on his few months working under sisu alone lol
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
A bit like the SISU OUT chance. Fair enough I know why fans are chanting it, but they weren't doing it when we were top of the league.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
I would buy it.
Can someone clear it up for me please? What's the BPA deal got anything to do with CA departure as k. Crowley suggests? What's that got to do with it?
Ccfc will never be playing at the butts so I don't understand.
NorthernWisdom
Well-Known Member
It's where it gets overly simplified though. Turning it around, there's little doubt CCFC have been hurt because other entities... don't like SISU. And *that* harms our profile too, as a city. In that respect, CCFC do have to be treated as a special case... and by both sides really, owners and stakeholders. The club can't just be given everything it wants just because it's a football club (you have to pay attention to who owns it), but nor should it be restricted just because it's owned by a hedge / private equity fund.
The challenge is when you get so many stakeholders and that, in itself, is a fine reason for why clubs should own their grounds. Finding a way the club benefits that coincides with one party is a challenge, but not impossible. As it stands, finding a way the club benefits that coincides with 3+ parties could be well-nigh impossible. You could, incidentally, point out that the Ricoh's existence looks suspiciously like a political move from Robinson, and the very fact Higgs got involved in the first place with CCFC was because there was a Higgs on the board. Impossible to suggest decisions are made indeependently of the dispositions and interests of those making them.
Ultimately though, we have enough evidence (and yes, much is circumstantial) to suggest that things would have been very different had the club board, in the shape of Fisher, Waggot, Anderson (maybe Clarke?) been allowed to agree the deals it wanted, then the here-and-now would have taken different turns. It's the SISU ownership that changes direction, for better or worse.
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Not in football Nick. Why would you or the club want that? Mutually agreed I'm sure.
NorthernWisdom
Well-Known Member
That's actually what frustrates me, mind. SISU were shit owners when we signed Jordan Henderson, they were shit owners before we played Chelsea in the cup, they were shit owners when we had a good start to last season... league form doesn't make owners any better or worse. They're no more shit owners now because we've drawn 0-0 at the weekend!
If SISU had any sense they'd relegate us again so we could win a few matches next season, allow people to say how they'd learned from their mistakes.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
on a superficial legal level yes two different entities............ however you do not have to own a company directly in order to exert significant or full control. OEG acts under the control of SISU Capital Ltd. and as such the reality is that it is very hard to separate the investment aims of SISU Capital from the operational aims of OEG t/a CCFC. I would suggest that all strategy is controlled by SISU, certainly the financial strategy is. No SISU do not control the day to day general operation of the CCFC but SISU do set the limits of that operation, provide the finance, hire & fire the senior management, set the objectives and sign off the budgets, all of which is monitored by them including by having a SISU Capital employee as a Board member.
OEG t/a CCFC being separate to SISU is a legal nicety that is wheeled out when a particular picture is required to be painted or to lower profile for actions taking place, but the reality is the actions of OEG are governed by SISU and therefore autonomy is a myth
Kingokings204
Well-Known Member
Someone suggested on Twitter that Anderson was pushing for a deal at the Ricoh and sisu want the butts and redevelop it hence the breakdown in relationship but we all know that's not going to happen now. So why CA leave? Still don't get it. Clearly it hasn't worked out which can only be bad news for us fans. Say what you want about Anderson but at least he tried for the fans. He was crap but he tried for us at least. As someone said his hands were probably tied from the beginning.
Turmoil?? CT prints a regurgitated load of items. Was CA so important his going caused turmoil ?
Most on here thought CA the cause of Academy woes so doubt he would have been involved anyway
My Mum ( his sister ) still talks to him but then she thinks Christmas is next month
rupert_bear
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately for me ccfc and sisu are one of the same and sisu use our name.
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Totally agree, everyone should be chanting SISU OUT even if we're top of the league and winning the Cup Final at Wembley.
Nick
Administrator
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
So since 2007
They said it was creating background noise that led to a halting of the negotiations. The decision by Wasps to halt the negotiations because of this reason.
Nothing about contract length
They said it was creating background noise that led to a halting of the negotiations. The decision by Wasps to halt the negotiations because of this reason.
Nothing about contract length
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
So since 2007 anyone know how many different directors, managers and players have we had.
Yet still none of those changes have worked.
Yet still none of those changes have worked.
skyblueinBaku
Well-Known Member
I accept that, OSB, but I don't support Sisu - I support CCFC. That's how I look at it. I can separate the two. It's a pity that those who want to damage or drive out Sisu can only do so by damaging CCFC.
Nick
Administrator
That's the thing, who is cheering any court cases? Nobody goes to games to support SISU.
If CCFC go bust tomorrow, SISU just toddle off back to London.
oldskyblue58
CCFC Finance Director
I can understand that sbd we each ratify things in our own way and nothing wrong in that. Unfortunately this has become a war between very stubborn generals, who are not afraid to use any weapons available to them and CCFC is a weapon used by both sides suffering and causing collateral damage. The real damage done is to the supporters - without them there is no club
skyblueinBaku
Well-Known Member
It's a pity that the warring factions can't see that. Or maybe they can see it but just don't care.
ccfcway
Well-Known Member
I hope it isn't, as we normally have our bad spell after xmas
Proof positive then that Christmas came early - she said the same thing last month!
