Contingency ground is..... (2 Viewers)

[Tonylinc]

If the football club finds a venue offering a lower purchase price then clearly the supply is outstripping demand. Therefore the price is lowered.
There is an obvious flaw in this argument; can you guess what it is?

 

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[BurbageSkyBlues]

Beat me to it Tony.

Cheap is not always good....especially if it means you can't sell the product, because its too far from your customer base.......

But don't let reality and facts get in the way of a good grenduffy standoff...this site would be lifeless if every thread did not diminish into a battle between Grendel and A N Other

 

[WFC]

Besides the quality/value equation it also assumes both the ability and desire to take the club where ever necessary to secure the lowest price. If you are to take this argument you would have to be both willing and able to permanently move the club out of Coventry.

Unfortunately Milton theory of economics is often twisted/selectively quoted to back up different arguments that are often totally contradictory.

 

[Grendel]

Beat me to it Tony.

Cheap is not always good....especially if it means you can't sell the product, because its too far from your customer base.......

But don't let reality and facts get in the way of a good grenduffy standoff...this site would be lifeless if every thread did not diminish into a battle between Grendel and A N Other

Ah ok so do you think in the cases of Swansea, Doncaster, hull, forest, county to name but some that this is a demand and supply debate?

It isn't. The term used is simply incorrect. The truth is we pay a higher price per supporter than any other council owned ground. That may not bother you. As a supporter I find this curious.

You can of course use the demand supply mantra to potential purchasers. Now I think demand from a purchaser at the current supply terms will be very low if not non existent. You may be happy about that. I am not.

 

[deanocity3]

We go out looking for Steak and chips and come back with Corned Beef and smash

 

[Grendel]

If the football club finds a venue offering a lower purchase price then clearly the supply is outstripping demand. Therefore the price is lowered.
There is an obvious flaw in this argument; can you guess what it is?

So Swansea who lay a nominal rent are disadvantaged by your economic theory. Please articulate further.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Well it's hardly supply and demand is it.

If supply is limited on a product price will increase as there are more consumers than product. So your basic statement is wrong. The only consumer demanding to play a full season on the turf at the ground is the football club. If the football club finds a venue offering a lower purchase price then clearly the supply is outstripping demand. Therefore the price is lowered.

Ultimately compare the price to other clubs, actually why not compare to Swansea and see what you find then tell me if the deal is valid.

So please explain where this comparable venue is then please?

The club has to play within the conurbation, currently the only suitable stadium within that is the Ricoh.

ACL have a monopoly on league standard football grounds in Coventry, therefore supply is extremely limited.

Quoting what Doncaster or Swansea pay is irrelevant as CCFC cannot play there. What they pay has no impact on our local economy.

 

[Grendel]

So pleasin Coventry, therefore supply is extremely limited. e explain where this comparable venue is then please?

The club has to play within the conurbation, currently the only suitable stadium within that is the Ricoh.

ACL have a monopoly on league standard football grounds

Quoting what Doncaster or Swansea pay is irrelevant as CCFC cannot play there. What they pay has no impact on our local economy.

Amazing statement. Genuinely astonished by that. So the council can dictate terms? Charge £10 million if they like and not a peep from you? Other councils care about the club. You clearly do not view the club as a community asset at all. So, if the club don't want to pay and no one else wants to pay the price we just cease to exist?

Jesus Christ. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

 

[bigfatronssba]

Amazing statement. Genuinely astonished by that. So the council can dictate terms? Charge £10 million if they like and not a peep from you? Other councils care about the club. You clearly do not view the club as a community asset at all. So, if the club don't want to pay and no one else wants to pay the price we just cease to exist?

Jesus Christ. :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

I'm talking about stone cold economics, not what is 'nice'.

ACL cannot run at a loss, hence there is only a certain level to which it can reduce the rent.

It has stated many times that £400k is as low as they can go. Supply and demand is about concessions on both sides. In a monopolistic market (which is what we have here) supply is about the lowest price a provider can offer their product at without damaging their own company. Demand is the amount that the purchaser is willing to pay, where the two meet is the equilibrium which controls market value.

Let me just ask you a question, As a CCFC fan would you be concerned if ACL got into financial trouble?

 

[Grendel]

Let me just ask you a question, As a CCFC fan would you be concerned if ACL got into financial trouble?

No not in the slightest

 

[ccfcway]

Let me just ask you a question, As a CCFC fan would you be concerned if ACL got into financial trouble?

As a CCFC fan, doenst that depend on who takes them over ?

 

[bigfatronssba]

No not in the slightest

Ok, so in that scenario, where do CCFC play whilst the gates are locked and the ground is sold off for development to the highest bidder?

 

[Tonylinc]

Look; in an ideal world both the football club and the Ricoh would be under the same ownership. That is simply not possible here......would you trust Sisu to do the right thing by both?......Thought not. So, they have to be kept apart. The question then is; what is the correct rent? I agree that the present amount is too high BUT it needs all parties to re-negotiate and as far as I can see only one of those is prepared to come to a resolution AND stick by it.

 

[bigfatronssba]

As a CCFC fan, doenst that depend on who takes them over ?

Yes, I'm trying to get grendel to see that the fate of both CCFC and ACL are linked, and that neither can survive in their current form without each other.

If ACL went down, they had the potential to take down CCFC with them, yet he seems unconcerned by that.

 

[ccfcway]

Yes, I'm trying to get grendel to see that the fate of both CCFC and ACL are linked, and that neither can survive in their current form without each other.

If ACL went down, they had the potential to take down CCFC with them, yet he seems unconcerned by that.

I wouldnt lose any sleep about what he's unconcerned about. He's concerned we pay more rent than Doncaster, a 10,000 seater stadium. We have outstanding facilities at the ricoh, including a casino etc...There is a premimum to be paid to play in those facilities...

 

[RPHunt]

I'm talking about stone cold economics, not what is 'nice'.

ACL cannot run at a loss, hence there is only a certain level to which it can reduce the rent.

It has stated many times that £400k is as low as they can go. Supply and demand is about concessions on both sides. In a monopolistic market (which is what we have here) supply is about the lowest price a provider can offer their product at without damaging their own company. Demand is the amount that the purchaser is willing to pay, where the two meet is the equilibrium which controls market value.

Let me just ask you a question, As a CCFC fan would you be concerned if ACL got into financial trouble?

Ron, pointless arguing with him. It has been pointed out several times that Doncaster are paying a very similar amount as CCFC for a ground half the size but he persists with his infantile argument. And no, he doesn't care about ACL, nor the Higgs Charity, the council, other fans, the future of CCFC or anyone else.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Message to ACL phone up Haskell tell him he can have the Ricoh if he builds up the area provide some jobs you dont have to buy the club pay you a few quid. Why because just as Coventry City have been destroyed you will be too. How do I know that because their spokesman or one of them has just posted to that. Please I beg of you end this now so that I can mourn for a while then get back to a normal life. The other advantage will be that Coventry City will remembered fondly by the people of Coventry and not hated.

Im making all this up by the way

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Message to ACL phone up Haskell tell him he can have the Ricoh if he builds up the area provide some jobs you dont have to buy the club pay you a few quid. Why because just as Coventry City have been destroyed you will be too. How do I know that because their spokesman or one of them has just posted to that. Please I beg of you end this now so that I can mourn for a while then get back to a normal life. The other advantage will be that Coventry City will remembered fondly by the people of Coventry and not hated.

Im making all this up by the way

Or am I????

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I wouldnt lose any sleep about what he's unconcerned about. He's concerned we pay more rent than Doncaster, a 10,000 seater stadium. We have outstanding facilities at the ricoh, including a casino etc...There is a premimum to be paid to play in those facilities...

Not a bad idea-we could have roulette wheels for goalposts and blackjack dealers to run the line. Some of the younger players might get distracted by unlimited Coke, mind you.

 

[Grendel]

I wouldnt lose any sleep about what he's unconcerned about. He's concerned we pay more rent than Doncaster, a 10,000 seater stadium. We have outstanding facilities at the ricoh, including a casino etc...There is a premimum to be paid to play in those facilities...

Brilliant a classic own goal. Guess what Doncaster were previously paying in rent until they renegotiated a new deal?

 

[Grendel]

Ron, pointless arguing with him. It has been pointed out several times that Doncaster are paying a very similar amount as CCFC for a ground half the size but he persists with his infantile argument. And no, he doesn't care about ACL, nor the Higgs Charity, the council, other fans, the future of CCFC or anyone else.

Own goal number 2. What were they paying before?

 

[Grendel]

What are Swansea paying just as an aside and given the council subsidy how are their taxpayers worse off as a consequence?

We must have the dumbest, most moronic self destructive fans in the country.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Brilliant a classic own goal. Guess what Doncaster were previously paying in rent until they renegotiated a new deal?

Changed my mind ACL give the Ricoh to Sisu because Im sure they will reduce the rent that the Casino pay and they can employ more people job done. Also by not paying you 400K a year rent they can er they must be able to do something er yes get the players in to get us out of Div 3 and reduce their "60 million debt" is their something Ive left out?

 

[ccfcway]

Brilliant a classic own goal. Guess what Doncaster were previously paying in rent until they renegotiated a new deal?

dunno, do tell..

Couldnt find anything about Doncatser refusing to pay rent for over a year, yet still playing at the ground, then taking the owners to court because the renegotiated their loans with another party and threaten to move the club out of the city and pay more to play elsewhere..

 

[ccfcway]

Own goal number 2. What were they paying before?

wasnt that what you asked during Own Goal number 1 as well ?

 

[Grendel]

wasnt that what you asked during Own Goal number 1 as well ?

They paid the same as us so basically supply, demand, capacity etc has zilch to do with it it's what the council gets away with and because we have fans like you and the other buffoons on here they can take take and keep taking and you just say please take some more.

 

[RPHunt]

In the old English poem Beowulf, Grendel was an evil, malevolent and hideous monster who hated mankind because they shunned and mocked him. Odd kind of role model.

 

[Grendel]

In the old English poem Beowulf, Grendel was an evil, malevolent and hideous monster who hated mankind because they shunned and mocked him. Odd kind of role model.

Is that your attempt at sarcasm or cyber bullying? Must try harder.

 

[ccfcway]

They paid the same as us so basically supply, demand, capacity etc has zilch to do with it it's what the council gets away with and because we have fans like you and the other buffoons on here they can take take and keep taking and you just say please take some more.

how did they renegotiate the rent, perhaps we can learn from it ?

Did they stop paying, take the company to court due to renegotiating their loans etc ?

 

[Grendel]

how did they renegotiate the rent, perhaps we can learn from it ?

Did they stop paying, take the company to court due to renegotiating their loans etc ?

No they negotiated as we tried to before sisu and the council told us to do one.

 

[ccfcway]

No they negotiated as we tried to before sisu and the council told us to do one.

so they didnt stop paying the rent on a premise they were renting and using ?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

They paid the same as us so basically supply, demand, capacity etc has zilch to do with it it's what the council gets away with and because we have fans like you and the other buffoons on here they can take take and keep taking and you just say please take some more.

You are so angry why is that? Is it because Sisu have taken and taken till theres only one thing left to take and fuck up then walk away with more cash and some "buffoons" dont want to play ball?

 

[Samo]

What are Swansea paying just as an aside and given the council subsidy how are their taxpayers worse off as a consequence?

We must have the dumbest, most moronic self destructive fans in the country.

And still the chrushing irony eludes him! :facepalm:

 

[Grendel]

You are so angry why is that? Is it because Sisu have taken and taken till theres only one thing left to take and feck up then walk away with more cash and some "buffoons" dont want to play ball?

I couldn't give a stuff about sisu or the council but the football club. It's my only interest in this sorry spectacle.

You clearly are interested in other matters. I understand.

 

[stupot07]

I wouldnt lose any sleep about what he's unconcerned about. He's concerned we pay more rent than Doncaster, a 10,000 seater stadium. We have outstanding facilities at the ricoh, including a casino etc...There is a premimum to be paid to play in those facilities...

To be fair - the casino, jaguar hall and other facilities have got nothing to do with ccfc, we're only interested in the pitch and accompanying seating.