Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (14 Viewers)

[Saddlebrains]

Not a lockdown really is it?

Basically told us we're all ok to go to work but not allowed to do fuck all else.

Was always going to have minimal effect of people following the rules im afraid. My close friends, work colleagues etc were Angels last time through lockdown. None of them seem arsed this time round.

A picture seemingly reflected across the country. Don't think people realise just how much the mixed government messages and dreadful advice and u turns have affected peoples opinion and trust of the guidelines

Personally believe Boris doesn't give a toss, just needs to be seen to be doing something to appease people

 

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[Sky Blue Pete]

Yep although infections levelling off are we going to keep getting 125,000 new ones a week and is that ok?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not a lockdown really is it?

Basically told us we're all ok to go to work but not allowed to do fuck all else.

Was always going to have minimal effect of people following the rules im afraid. My close friends, work colleagues etc were Angels last time through lockdown. None of them seem arsed this time round.

A picture seemingly reflected across the country. Don't think people realise just how much the mixed government messages and dreadful advice and u turns have affected peoples opinion and trust of the guidelines

Personally believe Boris doesn't give a toss, just needs to be seen to be doing something to appease people

Agreed

 

[baldy]

You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff

They will be very grateful if you have some time to volunteer on the covid wards at uhcw and as it’s all a load of shit you won’t need to waste any ppe.

 

[fernandopartridge]

You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff

Jesus wept.

 

[stupot07]

You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff

Hospitals are heaving. The one I work at is.

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[CCFCSteve]

I think what’s clear is we need proper enforcement of the rules TBF. It’s not a lockdown and people weren’t following the Tier rules either.

It’s blindingly obvious that the way to slow a pandemic is reduce contact between people.

I don’t think anyone can doubt that. The questions as I’ve raised before are:

Do you lock down areas of the country where there is relatively low spread at the same time as those with significant transmission rates and

Do you close places/locations where you can’t confirm the benefits of doing so (hospitality etc), whilst leaving high transmission locations open ?

Sage, hancock (Johnson - possibly) Starmer and plenty on here don’t see the problem with just a blanket national lockdown, I do. All I know is that a significant proportion of the public dont buy into it and as only 10-20% were fully self isolating when they were diagnosed prior to the second lockdown, a national lockdown (such as ours France, Germanys etc) is likely to have minimal additional benefit to us compared to the tiered system we already had in operation...however does have huge additional costs (health and economic)

ps I’ve said before I understand why people are pushing for (and willing to accept) a national lockdown, I’m just saying look at the data and alternative views on the subject

 

[Ian1779]

I don’t think anyone can doubt that. The questions as I’ve raised before are:

Do you lock down areas of the country where there is relatively minimal spread at the same time as those with significant transmission rates and

Do you close places/locations where you can’t confirm the benefits of doing so (hospitality etc), whilst leaving high transmission locations open ?

Sage, hancock (Johnson - possibly) Starmer and plenty on here don’t see the problem with just a blanket national lockdown, I do. All I know is that a significant proportion of the public dont buy into it and as only 10-20% were fully self isolating when they were diagnosed prior to the second lockdown, a national lockdown (such as ours France, Germanys etc) is likely to have minimal additional benefit to us compared to the tiered system we already had in operation...however does have huge additional costs (health and economic)

ps I’ve said before I understand why people are pushing for (and willing to accept) a national lockdown, I’m just saying look at the data and alternative views on the subject

You could argue that the hospital infrastructure in somewhere like Cornwall is insufficient to cope with even the smallest surge.

 

[CCFCSteve]

You could argue that the hospital infrastructure in somewhere like Cornwall is insufficient to cope with even the smallest surge.

100% Ian. Transmission and capacity in regions are what should be considered when implementing restrictions/measures

Edit - as well as understanding the likely benefits of any restrictions/measures taken - this is the main bit which I think is missing !

 

[Ian1779]

I see the PM has backtracked on the free school meals policy over the holidays, and picked a good time to tell everyone.

The cynic in me also thinks it’s because schools won’t make it to the end of term.

 

[shmmeee]

I don’t think anyone can doubt that. The questions as I’ve raised before are:

Do you lock down areas of the country where there is relatively low spread at the same time as those with significant transmission rates and

Do you close places/locations where you can’t confirm the benefits of doing so (hospitality etc), whilst leaving high transmission locations open ?

Sage, hancock (Johnson - possibly) Starmer and plenty on here don’t see the problem with just a blanket national lockdown, I do. All I know is that a significant proportion of the public dont buy into it and as only 10-20% were fully self isolating when they were diagnosed prior to the second lockdown, a national lockdown (such as ours France, Germanys etc) is likely to have minimal additional benefit to us compared to the tiered system we already had in operation...however does have huge additional costs (health and economic)

ps I’ve said before I understand why people are pushing for (and willing to accept) a national lockdown, I’m just saying look at the data and alternative views on the subject

Well polling suggests that actually the vast majority to buy into lockdown. The problem as I see it is lack of enforcement so everyone’s pushing it because they see everyone else pushing it. And whether you agree with it or not if you see no one else following you’re less likely to.

I suspect that the only way you’ll significantly impact spread is to close secondary schools, unis, and bars and pubs. Although even bars and pubs I suspect wouldn’t be that bad. It’s the pure numbers in secondary schools and unis that I think are doing it.

I’m not convinced by local lockdowns at all. In a small country with such a mobile workforce I don’t see how it’s workable.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I see the PM has backtracked on the free school meals policy over the holidays, and picked a good time to tell everyone.

The cynic in me also thinks it’s because schools won’t make it to the end of term.

I still think he will stubbornly keep them open regardless. I’m taking the view that whatever fucks me over the most is what will happen

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Well polling suggests that actually the vast majority to buy into lockdown. The problem as I see it is lack of enforcement so everyone’s pushing it because they see everyone else pushing it. And whether you agree with it or not if you see no one else following you’re less likely to.

I suspect that the only way you’ll significantly impact spread is to close secondary schools, unis, and bars and pubs. Although even bars and pubs I suspect wouldn’t be that bad. It’s the pure numbers in secondary schools and unis that I think are doing it.

I’m not convinced by local lockdowns at all. In a small country with such a mobile workforce I don’t see how it’s workable.

I agree about the local lockdowns - if people can move freely between areas what's the point? If anything it encourages people to go to areas in lower tiers and less restrictions thus aiding the spread.

I can also understand the mentality towards lockdown - not just because of how hard it was last time but this time if they're trying to keep workplaces/schools open - often indoor places with many people who then go home etc - but other activities are banned which are far less likely to spread the disease which are more fun/recreational, people are going to think "why am I putting myself in these environments doing stuff I don't particularly enjoy if I can't go into other safer environments to relieve the stress and pressure? Either it's dangerous and we should keep away from all of these environments or it's not and they're all fine."

Once again they're trying to protect the economy and by so doing are going to cause more damage to it by endangering lives.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You can’t justify the lockdowns anyway....not when the death rate,according to the official national office of statistic,is is something like 5% - corona’s something like the 20th biggest killer disease this year,but we haven’t locked down the country & lost our shit over the flu or other viruses
Surely if there was a pandemic hospitals would be absolutely heaving,I know the one I work at isn’t because people aren‘t being seen - it really is a load of overhyped guff

Most of the biggest killers aren't transmissible person to person. Flu is but we've got a vaccines (not foolproof) to manage/mitigate the problem.

If you've got hospitals with huge influxes of Covid patients it then doesn't have the ability to deal with the other diseases either so you get a double whammy. Control the spread of corona as best as possible, minimise hospitalisations and there's more capacity for sorting out cancer/heart patients/flu etc.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yep shopping today there’s no lockdown

 

[Grendel]

Yep shopping today there’s no lockdown

Are clothes shops and pubs and cafes all open?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Are clothes shops and pubs and cafes all open?

Nope

 

[Kieranp96]

Roads are busy this time too (including me, I suppose, in order to notice!).

Last time, when I took my car out just to check the battery wasn't dead, I was about the only car on the road.

It sbecause alot of places still have there work force working, first lockdown there was no where open apart from the essential, now warehouses, manufacturing and offices are all open.

 

[skybluetony176]

Some much needed good news

Covid vaccine: First 'milestone' vaccine offers 90% protection

The vaccine is a "significant step" forward for getting life back to normal, but challenges remain.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Skybluefaz]

Some much needed good news

Covid vaccine: First 'milestone' vaccine offers 90% protection

The vaccine is a "significant step" forward for getting life back to normal, but challenges remain.

www.bbc.co.uk

Let's get it out there and return to some sort of normality. I was daydreaming about watching the city (wherever that may be) in a packed out stadium, with everyone singing the sky blue song. Hopefully a reality in the coming months. Albeit not a full stadium for a myriad of reasons.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Fucking great news about the Pfizer vaccine!

 

[clint van damme]

50 million doses to be produced this year, 1.3 billion doses to be produced next year, odds on world war 3 kicks off over who gets them!!

 

[shmmeee]

Great fucking news. What a week for hope.

 

[chiefdave]

Great news. Lets hope it all comes good and we can start to see things returning to normal. Timing certainly ties in with other things we've heard.

 

[Macca]

I smell a rat

 

[skybluetony176]

50 million doses to be produced this year, 1.3 billion doses to be produced next year, odds on world war 3 kicks off over who gets them!!

Apparently we’ve already paid for 30M doses. Some experts also saying we’ll need more than one vaccine type as it won’t be one size fits all, pointing to the flu vaccine as an example. Children have a different vaccine administered in a different way compared to the elderly.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

UK will have 10 million doses ready by Christmas.....what a great day finally some good news

 

[Liquid Gold]

Get it in my veins

 

[Sbarcher]

With no reported side-effects. I'm told it's based around a current vaccine with a few "tweaks" so therefore confidence it can move forward quickly with the Review Bodies.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

What does 90% protection actually mean in reality? It's still unclear how long protection lasts, too, but I guess that's not as relevant, as the point is to suppress how much it's transmitted, so it becomes more like catching pneumonia, or something else - unlucky!

 

[Skybluefaz]

Get it in my veins

I was hesitant for a moment about putting a new vaccine in my body, then I remembered what I got up to at uni.

 

[chiefdave]

Its not all good news

We've had it confirmed that Prime Minister Boris Johnson will hold a Downing Street press conference at 17:00 GMT later today.

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

The data presented is not the final analysis. It is based on the first 94 volunteers to test positive for Covid - the precise effectiveness of the vaccine may change when the full results are analysed.

 

[chiefdave]

What does 90% protection actually mean in reality? It's still unclear how long protection lasts, too, but I guess that's not as relevant, as the point is to suppress how much it's transmitted, so it becomes more like catching pneumonia, or something else - unlucky!

The how long it lasts thing is interesting. If its just a case of having it annually like the flu jab then not really an issue. If it means it wears off and then you're back to square one that's a very different scenario. Assume its the former as that seems to be how it works with other vaccines.