Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (12 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

What does 90% protection actually mean in reality? It's still unclear how long protection lasts, too, but I guess that's not as relevant, as the point is to suppress how much it's transmitted, so it becomes more like catching pneumonia, or something else - unlucky!

I think it’s similar to the pneumonia vaccine in that it trains the immune system. Think I’m right in thinking that the pneumonia vaccine as an adult is a one off vaccine, different for children as they have a course of vaccines.

 

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[shmmeee]

What does 90% protection actually mean in reality? It's still unclear how long protection lasts, too, but I guess that's not as relevant, as the point is to suppress how much it's transmitted, so it becomes more like catching pneumonia, or something else - unlucky!

Reading up a bit it seems to at least make people asymptomatic with 90% efficacy.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Reading up a bit it seems to at least make people asymptomatic with 90% efficacy.

What does that mean practically, however?

I mean, that's just a number to me. Is 10% non-asymptomatic a risk that's deemed suitable in normality?

 

[shmmeee]

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literally just passing off a tweet I don’t fully understand here, but fuck it need some hope:

 

[chiefdave]

I mean, that's just a number to me. Is 10% non-asymptomatic a risk that's deemed suitable in normality?

Is that where the famous herd immunity comes in? If 90% of people are, at worst, going to be asymptomatic does that limit the spread?

Are asymptomatic people less infectious?

 

[shmmeee]

What does that mean practically, however?

I mean, that's just a number to me. Is 10% non-asymptomatic a risk that's deemed suitable in normality?

Yeah most are 85-95% I believe.

 

[chiefdave]

literally just passing off a tweet I don’t fully understand here, but fuck it need some hope:

Well over my head but there seems to be enough very intelligent people who know what they're on about getting very excited to indicate this is actually genuine good news and a light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[shmmeee]

Well over my head but there seems to be enough very intelligent people who know what they're on about getting very excited to indicate this is actually genuine good news and a light at the end of the tunnel.

Yeah that’s where I am. The right people are getting excited by this, so I’ll get excited

 

[David O'Day]

We are still looking at spring to summer before we can roll this out to enough people. We still need things like the AstraZeneca vaccine and others to come off as well if we want normality before then.

 

[SBT]

So with about 8.5 million people over the age of the 70, and 1.5 million NHS workers, the 10 million doses that the UK says it will have this year could have taken care of half of them by Christmas. Incredible stuff.

That's not even taking into account the other vaccines (working on similar principles) that are yet to announce results.

 

[shmmeee]

So with about 8.5 million people over the age of the 70, and 1.5 million NHS workers, the 10 million doses that the UK says it will have this year could have taken care of half of them by Christmas. Incredible stuff.

That's not even taking into account the other vaccines (working on similar principles) that are yet to announce results.

This is the prioritisation apparently:



Looks like 10m doses, 2 per person, plus some waste, say 4m people conservatively. Enough to do NHS workers and care homes this winter which would make a massive difference. Much easier to roll out quickly in a medical or semi medical environment I’d guess.

Gets us over the hump then next year we can start getting to elderly vaccinated.

Nothing before Spring I’d guess in terms of back to normal. Whatever that ends up being.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Already seen the nutters saying Bill Gates has shares in one of the companies.

Why the fuck would they go through all the effort of inventing a virus and then vaccinating us as a cover to put chips in our bodies when we carry round and charge our own tracking devices that listen to us all day.

Also if it's about mind control then bring it on, thinking is exhausting.

 

[David O'Day]

Already seen the nutters saying Bill Gates has shares in one of the companies.

Why the fuck would they go through all the effort of inventing a virus and then vaccinating us as a cover to put chips in our bodies when we carry round and charge our own tracking devices that listen to us all day.

Also if it's about mind control then bring it on, thinking is exhausting.

Especially as Pzifer didn't join any government schemes and spent billions on the R+D themselves.

 

[David O'Day]

This is the prioritisation apparently:

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Looks like 10m doses, 2 per person, plus some waste, say 4m people conservatively. Enough to do NHS workers and care homes this winter which would make a massive difference. Much easier to roll out quickly in a medical or semi medical environment I’d guess.

Gets us over the hump then next year we can start getting to elderly vaccinated.

Nothing before Spring I’d guess in terms of back to normal. Whatever that ends up being.

If the AstraZeneca results which are due very soon are positive you maybe able to duplicate the amount of vaccine does available which means you could also make a dent in the elderly population this winter as well.

 

[wingy]

Already seen the nutters saying Bill Gates has shares in one of the companies.

Why the fuck would they go through all the effort of inventing a virus and then vaccinating us as a cover to put chips in our bodies when we carry round and charge our own tracking devices that listen to us all day.

Also if it's about mind control then bring it on, thinking is exhausting.

Take some D3 and B12 for that, you'd be amazed,I wonder if they dare even take a daily supplement .

 

[shmmeee]

If the AstraZeneca results which are due very soon are positive you maybe able to duplicate the amount of vaccine does available which means you could also make a dent in the elderly population this winter as well.

Even if we can get enough for another 2.5m people that’s everyone who had to shield sorted.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Especially as Pzifer didn't join any government schemes and spent billions on the R+D themselves.

So expect Johnson's press conference to be that we're not taking up this vaccine cos we're going to develop our own world beating one, and that in relation to this we've just given an eleventy billion pound contract to a group venture between Serco and G4S to develop and administer it, all headed up by Dido Harding who will be Chairperson for Life. At which point she appears at the podium going "I...I...I.. wanna thank you, for giving me the best job of my life"

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Its not all good news

I've set a reminder for 9pm. Like to make sure I'm settled early before it starts.

 

[skybluetony176]

So expect Johnson's press conference to be that we're not taking up this vaccine cos we're going to develop our own world beating one, and that in relation to this we've just given an eleventy billion pound contract to a group venture between Serco and G4S to develop and administer it, all headed up by Dido Harding who will be Chairperson for Life. At which point she appears at the podium going "I...I...I.. wanna thank you, for giving me the best job of my life"

We’ve already spent £ 30-40M on reserving doses of this drug while in development. No chance that’s going to happen.

 

[skybluetony176]

Didn’t take long for the Bill Gates, illuminati, going to use it to trace us all through microchips hidden in the vaccine right wing conspiracies to start.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Didn’t take long for the Bill Gates, illuminati, going to use it to trace us all through microchips hidden in the vaccine right wing conspiracies to start.

I assume these people are posting such conspiracies all over Facebook

 

[Liquid Gold]

Facebook needs shutting down.

As does 'The School of Hard Knocks' and 'The University of Life' that keep knocking out classes of absolute fuck wits.

 

[David O'Day]

This appears to be a press conference about a potentially promising vaccine.

Surely they should wait until the full results are in first? Just in case?

 

[clint van damme]

Didn’t take long for the Bill Gates, illuminati, going to use it to trace us all through microchips hidden in the vaccine right wing conspiracies to start.

The more fucking idiots that refuse the more of them that will die and the more vaccine for everyone else. Win win

 

[Nick]

At least it's hopefully going to end Peter Sutcliffe. Every cloud.

 

[SBT]

So that's a total of five weeks from getting the first dose, to being immune. Puts the timeline to normality back a bit...

 

[Grendel]

At least it's hopefully going to end Peter Sutcliffe. Every cloud.

He will probably have had the vaccine so just as well

 

[fernandopartridge]

So that's a total of five weeks from getting the first dose, to being immune. Puts the timeline to normality back a bit...

It's still well into next year. Tbf to Johnson he's been realistic about it in the press conference

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Tbf to Johnson he's been realistic about it in the press conference

Good! I had fears a PM with a reputation for being hopelessly optimistic, would be opening everything up pronto on the expectation.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Vaccine looks great - cautious optimism

 

[robbiekeane]

It's still well into next year. Tbf to Johnson he's been realistic about it in the press conference

I think the thing is, to an extent, the timing is almost less important than there just being a light at the end of the tunnel. Of course we would all prefer it to be sooner but it’s just such a morale boost to know that there’s an end in sight.

If someone told me that we had to continue social distancing etc until July 2021 but then it’s be completely back to life as we knew it, I’d bite their hand off

 

[Saddlebrains]

Even more good news this morning

 

[ajsccfc]

If this all goes through swimmingly now I'm guess it'll be around Easter before I get a jab but I'd echo @robbiekeane above, just knowing there's a possible return to normality on the horizon is enough for me, I don't mind how long it takes to get there.

One vaccine being a success hopefully opens the floodgates for the others in testing now too

 

[shmmeee]

Yeah it’s like anything isn’t it? It’s the lack of a light at the end of the tunnel that gets you.

Also I don’t think you need anything like everyone vaccinated before things get back to normal. Not bothered when I get it, but hope my Dad gets it in the next few months because then that’s a massive weight off my mind day to day. That’s huge.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Yeah it’s like anything isn’t it? It’s the lack of a light at the end of the tunnel that gets you.

Also I don’t think you need anything like everyone vaccinated before things get back to normal. Not bothered when I get it, but hope my Dad gets it in the next few months because then that’s a massive weight off my mind day to day. That’s huge.

Yeah, same for me. Get my parents vaccinated and I'll feel OK.